I'm surprised we haven't touched on this yet

[BTs_FahQ2]

Being the news junkies and current event debaters that we are, I am surprised nobody has posted up on the current middle east debacle.  A few right wingers have already declared the world to be in WWIII, I think we are one wrong shot away, and then there is a whole other lot of the world that seems to have no clue as to wtf is going on.

Basically Israel bombing the shit out of lebanon. Hezbola shooting rockets into Israel. Israel demanding Syria influence Lebanon to move it's military into southern Lebanon to control Hezbola. Israel threatens Syria to sway more influence. Iran declares pact with Syria that if attacked it will retaliate upon Israel. Basically if Iran does what it does nukes are a near option. US would not be happy. That is the short story of that one.

Now, we have the bad hair looney in N. Korea shooting off salvos at his will. We pretty much scoff because the rockets don't work. Japan and S. Korea pissed since the ones that work can hit them. Japan now considers preemtive strikes that would pretty much let Kim Jong Bad Pajamas consider using his nukes on S. Korea which has a lot of US soldiers. They fry, US will sure as hell make sure a lot of starving Koreans pay.

Dateline Africa. We already had the movie "Blackhawk down". Well, now the Muslims extremists have taken over somalia entirely and have pretty much created an african Taliban. Ruwanda is still chop chop rape rape and basically all of it's neighbors are fighting ghost wars within the country for influence and control. U.N. is thinking about or basically doing what it does, "talk", as the situation is going hell in a hand basket.

South America. VIVA Venezuela and that crazy asshat that runs it. He wants to sell U.S. F16's to iran to piss off the U.S. Chavez scares his people into thinking invasion by the US for oil, and is basically now funding the Cuban gov't. He is now considering funding North Korea and allying with Iran against us, some new fucked up version of the Warsaw Pact I guess. Mexico averts electing a socialist/ marxist Chavez guy, Chile does, maybe other South American elections to follow. Oh, and Chavez is willing to support any action, economic or strategic against US, Britain and anyone who doesn't like nut jobs.

So after all that i look around and go whoa. Time to move to an island that is going to get washed away by a tsunami or global warming.

How's your Monday?

[theweakspot]

see you on the front lines, Fah.

[BTs_FahQ2]

I'll be the first one to invade mexico and retake Los Angeles

[Ethion]

I'm going to sit on my swedish ass laughing at you all under the red sky.

[~Po~ TiroFino]

I'm going to sit on my swedish ass laughing at you all under the red sky.

Don't laugh too long... the fallout will make your teeth fall 

[theweakspot]

for all the jokes we make, im hoping someone who knows a bit more about the current middle east situation gives us the short version.

And Fah, you'll never make it out of Hawaiian Gardens, homes.

[~Po~ TiroFino]

Could this be the start to what will be Armageddon?

"Armageddon is actually a battle. According to the Bible it’s the battle where God finally comes in and takes over the world and rules it the way it should have been ruled all along. After Armageddon comes 1000 years of peace and plenty.

The reason it’s called Armageddon is because it in a place called the valley of Megiddo is modern day Israel. Armageddon means mount of Megiddo in Hebrew." (http://www.countdown.org/faq/)

[~Po~ TiroFino]

South America. VIVA Venezuela and that crazy asshat that runs it. He wants to sell U.S. F16's to iran to piss off the U.S. Chavez scares his people into thinking invasion by the US for oil, and is basically now funding the Cuban gov't. He is now considering funding North Korea and allying with Iran against us, some new fucked up version of the Warsaw Pact I guess. Mexico averts electing a socialist/ marxist Chavez guy, Chile does, maybe other South American elections to follow. Oh, and Chavez is willing to support any action, economic or strategic against US, Britain and anyone who doesn't like nut jobs.

I don't get how this Dictator calls Bush all sorts of names and the US does nothing to him. I mean, we all call Bush names, but it is very different when a head of a State does it. The least, you could call your ambassador over and break relations, or a threat/carry out an invasion before this mad-man Chavez continues to build up his military.... What is going on here, why is the US so passive with him? Is it because of the oil?

In this short clip, you hear Chavez calling Bush all sorts of names: Insults

In this other short clip, you see how "civilians" are receiving training to prepare them for a guerrilla type of war in case of an eventual US lead invasion. Over 500.000 civilians are getting this training TODAY: Civilian Training

On top of that, about 30.000 of these civilians will each have a Austrian Steyr Stg.58 - license built FN FAL which are being passed down from the military, since Chavez has now purchased 100.000 new kalashnikov AK-rifles for them.

The old F-16, as mentioned in the original post, are being sold to Iran, and the newest Russian Migs-29 will replace them. These Migs will be able to reach Washington D.C. and most of the East Coast US cities, with a deadly load of bombs.... (Chavez doesn't want to depend on US military technology, so he's making all these changes). Chavez is also purchasing from Russia, their best Helicopters, Tanks, Artillery, etc.

In this Video , you will hear in Spanish, how Chavez is affecting US policy in the world and in its own territory. Even if you don't understand what is said... just looking at it.. gives you an idea!

"Amenaza Nuclear" – Nuclear Threat..... Watch Chavez in reascent meetings with all of the top US enemies... Castro, Kadaffi, Chinese, Iran’s and North Korea’s leaders, etc. in what many believe is a huge effort to get a hold of nuclear technology - since Venezuela is rich in uranium, deuterium, hydrogen and tritium (essential to making the bomb)... With Iran, they are putting together a nuclear reactor which Venezuela bought to Argentina. This facility is being built in the Amazon to produce enriched uranium (A-Bombs)... and what is sad, is that no one talks about that in the US.

In this other Video (this time subtitles are available), Chavez warns Bush if there's an attempt on his life....


People, this Chavez guy is very dangerous.. and if nothing is done NOW to stop him, the free-world will regret it!


Finally, read this Article - In it , you will read how Chavez is trying to gain influence in the way Americans vote and elect their representatives, through a company Venezuela owns. This company has already handled a few minor elections in the US... including that of the city of Chicago, etc. The software could (has) lead to a manipulated result of an election toward candidates Chavez likes, through a software hax which is very hard to detect (impossible thus far - this is complicated to explain in brief words, but it has already happened). Even though the Venezuelan Govt ran out to sell its share of the company, just to save face, many believe it has only found others to run it in its name.

Enough for now.. I could go on forever on Chavez.... I hate his guts.

[(SiX)Sheixhundt]

When i stop vominting in disgust revulsion, anger and embarrassment for our leadership..I will post.
It will be long...it will be passionate, and it just might be slightly over the top.

Fair warning.

[Ethion]

Could this be the start to what will be Armageddon?

"Armageddon is actually a battle. According to the Bible it’s the battle where God finally comes in and takes over the world and rules it the way it should have been ruled all along. After Armageddon comes 1000 years of peace and plenty.

The reason it’s called Armageddon is because it in a place called the valley of Megiddo is modern day Israel. Armageddon means mount of Megiddo in Hebrew." (http://www.countdown.org/faq/)

So, what happends after a 1000 years? When it hits the 00:00 to 1001th year, we will plunder and rape people?

Jokes aside, I can't be bothered to discuss this on another forum. Might come in later in the discussion though.

[(SiX)Sheixhundt]

So, what happends after a 1000 years? When it hits the 00:00 to 1001th year, we will plunder and rape people?

Technically yes..

After that thousand years of peace and quiet, satan is set loose, yet ONCE more, to wreak havok for a while longer...and hes allowed to corrupt a few more people...

THEN comes the Final final Judgement where he and all the people who were naughty the first go arounds, and in the period After the thousand years of peace..are all sentenced to doom,bundled into a Vista package, and sent to burn in Hell forever..

Amen.

ps.no shit

[Cell]

Don't forget about Y2K either. 

There's always Antarctica.  All we need is a warm shelter, a decent network, some fast computers and a hydroponic system and Munchos®.  Could live happily for a while.



But seriously...Georgie Boy is having a hard enough time tying his shoes in the morning....with all the headaches he receives on a daily basis about Iraq, gas prices, his intelligence, the crazy Israelis, the crazier Palestinians/Iranians/Lebanese.....  its a wonder he hasn't completely popped his cork at this point.  Right now the world is like my stomach after a 10 pack and fries at White Castle.  Sure it sounded like a good idea when I ordered it, but someone better pour some Mylanta over the top or a giant shit storm will insue.

[BFG]

I can't really post on this stuff, i think similarly to Shiex i cannot find the worlds to even begin to express my disgust at the moment. Enough to say that the newspaper this morning almost made me throw up in revulsion.
How the International community is willing to stand by while Israel bombs Lebanese civilians is beyond belief. I do not condone the firing of rockets into Israeli territory but to attack civilians in retaliation? it is f*cking disgusting and just thinking about it now is getting me really f*cking angry.

Bush i know your desperately in need of the Jewish vote in the US but my god pull your f*cking finger out and help stop this bullshit. Our retard of a Prime-minister hasn't got the balls to do anything that might upset your stupid ass administration.

As for the israeli government. How dare you demand sympathy and support when you commit such atrocities. You behave no better than those who oppressed you so many years ago.

Hizbollah is a terrorist group - they use violence to get their own way and appear to have no quarms attacking civilians.
THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT ISRAEL HAS THE RIGHT TO USE ITS US SUPPORTED MILITARY TO MURDER INNOCENT LEBANESE CIVILIANS.

As an Israeli woman said - "The greatest show of strength is the sign of peace"

Excuse me im off to chuck my guts up.

[Cell]

Bush i know your desperately in need of the Jewish vote in the US but my god pull your f*cking finger out and help stop this bullshit. Our retard of a Prime-minister hasn't got the balls to do anything that might upset your stupid ass administration.

Yeah BFG....one of Bush's major problems is that he doesn't realize that he already has been voted in for the second time.....politics for popularity mean shit at this point.

[c| Lone-Wolf]

That is true for his re-election, Cell, but they still have to be careful with what they do 'else the House & Senate will find themselves overwhelmingly democratic (or 3rd party?) in November. 

My thinking is Israel is almost looking for a fight which drags in Iran, so they have a legitimate excuse to obliterate their nuclear capability before they have real nuclear capability.  And having US troops in the middle of Israel and Iran just makes it better for Israel.

Anyway, long story short, im going to move to New Zealand and live with Tigah. 

[(SiX)Sheixhundt]

part of my reluctance to respond, is the bias that exists agains America over Iraq. SO..for the purposes of focus and clarity, these are TWO separate issues, historically and practically..and will utterly ignore those comparisons, or bleeeding of one subject over the other. Palestine and Isreal has NOTHINg whatsoever with our failures in Iraq, so to continue to have a focused discussion on isreal, keep the two separate...please.
(although they may be somewhat politically related, historically, they are not)

Im workin on my longer post, but i had to interject..at this point, there are two fears.. One military, and one Religious that prevents the  US from speaking out or intervening. One of those fears relates to collective american guilt over our mishandling of Iraq, and world opinion related to our motivations.. do your best to keep them separate..we're talking about Lebanon, Syria, Isreal, and Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah...

1. Due to the utter rage isreal felt in the early 70s when we condemned their Dimona nuclear plant and isreals nuclear ambitions, our intelligence is afraid that in the event that we cross Isreal in a serios matter, that they have preassembled nukes on american soil. Some analysts say that threat has already been verbalized, and is understood to be true. If we cross them in a big way, BOOM...we lose american cities..in a matter of minutes, with nothing to be done to prevent it... hence the unlimited aid, arm support, carte blanch treatment in the face of global outrage, and loans totalling twelve TRILLION that have not seen ONE CENT of repayment. Yes we need a 'democratic hedge' in the islamic world, but that is but a smokescreen to cover the real underlying reasons for our support. Its just that that one is less scary and much more palatable to the american people...playing on the patriotism of the democratic dream..

and 2. Interpretation of the bible by End Time Evangelists push the verses in the bible that state that the enemies and those that do not protect isreal after the diaspora (return of jews to their holy land) will result in the the imminent and total destruction. We (thru church) have been conditioned to feel empathy with the jews as "The Chosen People" despite their formalized contempt for GOY (or gentile) nations..which are as cattle, and only worthy of slaveship. The Talmud preaches that 1 jew life is worth a thousand goy, and that after the return of Jerusalem to world seat power status, each jew will have 2800 GOY slaves...

Some can say that the treatment of the palestinians is deserved n account of katyusha rocketings, and suicide bombings, but in reality, the contempt of the jews for the palestinians is FORMALIZED, and embedded in their national thought process. They stand in the way of a jewish Holy land undivided geographically and uncontested politically and militarily.

Here are some quotes from past and prestne leaders that give some insight into their racial position relative to the Palestinians..

"We must expel Arabs and take their places."
-- David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985.

"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population."
-- David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff.   From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978

"There is no such thing as a Palestinian people... It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn't exist."
-- Golda Meir, statement to The Sunday Times, 15 June, 1969.

"How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to."
-- Golda Meir, March 8, 1969.

"This country exists as the fulfillment of a promise made by God Himself. It would be ridiculous to ask it to account for its legitimacy."
-- Golda Meir, Le Monde, 15 October 1971

"[The Palestinians] are beasts walking on two legs."
-- Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the 'Beasts,"' New Statesman, June 25, 1982.

"(The Palestinians) would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls."
-- Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) Yitzhak Shamir in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

"Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories."
-- Benyamin Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of Israel, speaking to students at Bar Ilan University, from the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989.

"The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more"....
-- Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000

"If we thought that instead of 200 Palestinian fatalities, 2,000 dead would put an end to the fighting at a stroke, we would use much more force...."
-- Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, quoted in Associated Press, November 16, 2000.

"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands."
-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.

"Everybody has to move, run and grab as many (Palestinian) hilltops as they can to enlarge the (Jewish) settlements because everything we take now will stay ours...Everything we don't grab will go to them."
-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of the Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, Nov. 15, 1998.

"Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial."
-- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 25 March, 2001 quoted in BBC News Online

So if anyone wants to know..THAT is the reason for the unabated punishment, occupation and torture of the palestinian people..the bombings and kidnappings are just the excuse..

So this attempt at pushing us into war with Iran has more to do with ISREALS feelings of superiority and religious entitlement than it does american support. We are simply blackmailed into that support. So dont paste the one into the other. The American religious lobby  does not support the overt aims for Zionism, but Do have a tendency to be conditioned (from early sunday school) to be highly afraid of what happens to america if we dont support them.

ISreal is CERTAINLY looking for a fight with Iran (at our expense of course) and they were outraged last month when the JOint Chiefs presented the war game outcomes for that virtual war. 355 runs, and we won ONCE. In every single simulation, Chinia and Russia raced to Irans Aid to protect the 70 and 40 billion dollar investments recently made( respectively) ... China has signed a FORMAL agreement of protection similar to the ones we have with China and Taiwan legally obligating them to respond if they are atttacked in exchange for 70% of their output and use of pipeline capacity-Rusiia is invested in the Natanz and Bushehr light water reactors recently completed, plus 20% of Irans output alog with excess pipeline capacities. . In light of the report that further stated that we didnt have the intelligence to guess the location of all their nuclear programs and would be unable to intelligently asses targeting...isreal is going to push us past our own military objections, and force us to defend our troops in Iraq, which will most certainly come under attack if Isreal Attacks Syria..which then invites the rusians and chinese to come protect their Energy interest...

Not to mention that the Iranian president believes that he was put into their presidency to bring about the appearance of the 'Mahdi" (their christ like figure that comes out of a well at the last moment to save humanity)..much as Bush and the ISrealis believe that the subordination of the arabs, and retaking of jerusalem to rebuild the Temple of Solomon is necessary in order to usher the Messianic millenium..and christs return.

so There are two unstoppable trains headed straight for each other...get ready.

Iran has 300 sunburn missiles (100% indefensible) pointed at the straight of hormuz and housed in hardened bunkers, and will attempt to sink our entire fifth fleet stationed in the gulf. Online intelligence is suggesting that they are already hard at work mining the gulf against submarines..

In other words...WHEEEE.
and now we can see why they recently raised the draft age from 36 (raised in January) to 42 as of last month.

I dont have to worry tho..father in law insists he will shoot me to prevent me from going..and somehow i dont doubt him. I fear greatly becuase he is a horrible aim.

peace...(?)

Oh yeah, Im not accepting that argument that well, Isreal as a fledgling nation was attacked by the entire arab world, so to the winner go the spoils hence The palestinians are all terrorists whose families are due this sort of terror and brutality that they have been living under.....Thats a crock of bullshit..winning a war does not give one the right to expell a people, or continue to brutalize them for fifty years, as Isreal has done...

[Croosch]

lots of scary yet interesting thoughts/facts there sheix, good read.

[Macuber]

Here BFG.. click on this and watch the Video..

http://mediamatters.org/items/200607180007

(You note..it's all Republican and their shills responses ...Newt..Gibson..Hannity...O'Reilly..and Ledeen)

[~Po~ TiroFino]

Just to add to the menu of things happening:

In the year 1999 (and) seven months,
From the sky will come a great King of Terror
He will resurrect the great King of Angelmois
Before and afterwards Mars rules happily.

JULY 1999:
 One of Nostradamus' most date-specific predictions, declares that a "great king of terror" would come from the sky in 1999. Many interpretations were made for 1999 and yet nothing of significance occurred in July of 1999.

But something important did happen in the skies during July 7, 1999 - A car-sized meteor speed over New Zealand today and burst in mid-air, leaving a cloud of dust in the sky. Video of the cloud was widely telecast on the evening news....Is this a near-miss for Nostradamus's King-of-Terror-from-the-Sky prediction? He mentioned the 'new city' and this occurred in New Zealand. If the meteor had not exploded before hitting the ground, it could have been a very serious catastrophe.


In the year of the new century and nine months,
 From the sky will come a great King of Terror.
 The sky will burn at forty-five degrees.
 Fire approaches the great new city.

Could that have been a reference to Sept 11, 2001 (The new century and nine months) What great "NEW" City is located at 45º - New York?
 
He also said:

In the City of God there will be a great thunder,
Two Brothers torn apart by Chaos,
While the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb.
The third big war will begin when the big city is burning.

Two Brothers? Some link this to the Towers and their colapse... could be anything really! But its freaky!

Could that had been his signal for the things to come? Ofcourse, there are countless of interpretations.... Who knew?



 Here are some articles I came upon about Nostradamus before Sadam was defeated or Usama put on the run....

Nostradamus's predictions in light of the New York bombing - from author John Hogue:
 "This is some of what I understand is in the prophecies of Nostradamus concerning present and near future events. He spoke of a new type of world war to come; one using surprise and ambush. A rogue leader from the Mideast will trigger it. He is a terrorist, code named in the prophecies as "Mabus" or the "Third Antichrist." This man will be one of the first to fall in his war. He could become a symbolic martyr for terrorists who will soak the world with blood for 27 years. Nostradamus spoke of the great new city made of high "hollow mountains" near the garden of the world. The state of New Jersey, from whose shore one can view the great hollow mountains of New York City, is known as “The Garden State.” In two of Nostradamus’ prophecies a thing his 16-century mind can only call “it” cuts a path to these hollow mountains. They are then seized and boiled in a cauldron...Over four centuries ago, Nostradamus may have seen those great hollow mountains hit by a huge, "scattered flame." He implied that the flame could not be put out and the smoke and debris would rise and ferment in boiling clouds, as if they were “plunged in a vat.”  What is next for us? If my interpretations are correct we will soon know who the perpetrator — this Third Antichrist — is. If “Mabus” stands as an anagram for Saddam or Usama or someone we have yet to uncover, look for his death or political destruction very soon in a retaliatory attack. If a more balanced American foreign policy in Mideast affairs is not forthcoming after the Antichrist falls, then the war is only beginning. America and her allies will endure almost thirty years of terror bombings and catastrophic loss of life....


Regardless of its veracity or not, Nostradamus gives me the chillz!!!!

[deumrabbit]

You should read what Tiro said it's some very quantam and creepy shit.