Relations with China..a new page

[(SiX)Sheixhundt]

Theres plenty of time to discuss specifics, but Im tellin ya..I almost vomited when i saw this picture.
Ive seen some pretty big protocol gaffes in my day..but this one takes the cake...by far.
Hope all of you are ready..when the time comes...we're gonna get called up. Like it or not. Its comin.
Heres the first shot. Carefully examine the look on Hu's face.

[Ethion]

that was just stupid.. and didn't they play the singapore theme aswell? Or did I get you wrong?


Just look at Bush's face, like a little kid.

[(SiX)Sheixhundt]

hah well, what they did was they announced his presence, by welcoming the president of "The Republic of China"(which um, is the official name for Taiwan) Instead of the People's Republic of China...

woopsie X 2.
eep.
DOH!

sigh.

[cottonmouth]

The NY Times today reported that Chinese officials were outraged over the White House accrediting a reporter who screamed at Mr. Hu from the stands, and mistakenly referring to China by the name of its archrival Taiwan. Adding insult to injury, here’s a picture of Vice President Dick Cheney sleeping during Mr. Hu’s press conference.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/04/21/vice-president-cheney-sle_n_19564.html

And there's woopsie #3

[BTs_GhostSniper]

Personally, as soon as that Chinese idiot started talking about how Taiwan would never get its independence and how China would unite the island back with mainland China, we should have booted his ass out of the United States.  I can't believe Bush just stood their while he talked that shit.  I would have knocked him out and created an international incident.[/size]

[Croosch]

Well, I'm glad you're not our "leader" then GS .... we don't need another war.

[BTs_GhostSniper]

Well, I'm glad you're not our "leader" then GS .... we don't need another war.

Perhaps you'd like some more of my opinions...like the one where I think MacArthur was right and Truman was a pussy.  We should have nuked China's ass during the Korean War when they overran the Korean Peninsula.  Or at the very least, we should have invaded China then.  Then again, take the USSR.  Patton advocated invading the Soviet Union at the end of WWII.  Following Patton and MacArthur's advice might have saved us all a lot of heartache the last 60 years.

Anyhow, back to the topic...we should not sit by and let the idiot from China stand on our soil and spout propoganda about how Taiwan doesn't have the right to exist as a separate entity from mainland China.[/size]

[cO.libre]

Well, I'm glad you're not our "leader" then GS .... we don't need another war.

Perhaps you'd like some more of my opinions...like the one where I think MacArthur was right and Truman was a pussy.  We should have nuked China's ass during the Korean War when they overran the Korean Peninsula.  Or at the very least, we should have invaded China then.  Then again, take the USSR.  Patton advocated invading the Soviet Union at the end of WWII.  Following Patton and MacArthur's advice might have saved us all a lot of heartache the last 60 years.

Anyhow, back to the topic...we should not sit by and let the idiot from China stand on our soil and spout propoganda about how Taiwan doesn't have the right to exist as a separate entity from mainland China.[/size]

i hope you get nuked and invaded unnecessarily so you can see how it feels.

[BTs_GhostSniper]

Well, I'm glad you're not our "leader" then GS .... we don't need another war.

Perhaps you'd like some more of my opinions...like the one where I think MacArthur was right and Truman was a pussy.  We should have nuked China's ass during the Korean War when they overran the Korean Peninsula.  Or at the very least, we should have invaded China then.  Then again, take the USSR.  Patton advocated invading the Soviet Union at the end of WWII.  Following Patton and MacArthur's advice might have saved us all a lot of heartache the last 60 years.

Anyhow, back to the topic...we should not sit by and let the idiot from China stand on our soil and spout propoganda about how Taiwan doesn't have the right to exist as a separate entity from mainland China.[/size]

i hope you get nuked and invaded unnecessarily so you can see how it feels.

Unnecessarily?  So I take it you support countries that murder and torture millions of their own people?  Perhaps you didn't know, but Stalin killed far more of his own people than Hitler ever thought about killing Jews.  And don't even get me started on China's attrocities.  Invading a country like that, if nothing more than just to protect its OWN people, is a good thing.

Be a Communist supporter if you want, but as for me and Thomas Jefferson:

"I have sworn upon the alter of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."

[(SiX)Sheixhundt]

"I have sworn upon the alter of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. That is, Cept for'n when them hostilities and tyrannies is directed agin' the Brown Peopple of the world, and them Luciferian led dissenting, 4th amendment lovin libbie loving peaceful, americans....TREASONOUS FUCKS!!! ESCPECIALLY the dumb ones that dont realize that asking perfectly normal forensic questioning is equal to Treason now, and the leakers..OH YEAH KILL THE LEAKERS OF THE TRUTH GODAMN..., then, its perfectly ok..ok, well, and..the Afghanis, and um the SATANIC muslims and the iraqis, and well, shit cover the whole middle east in spent uranium, they just A-Rabs that dont like us anyways.....FUCK venezuela too, that brown motherfucker looked at me funny..all them poor sunzabitches who didnt know better'n to go to work on 9-11 (like the rest of us, who didnt fly that day..Condi, Willie, Colin..., THANK GOD I GOT MAH 'PUT'(sell) OPTIONS for AmericanAirlines on 9/10)..weehaw..oh yeah, fuck all them liberal hippie motherfuckers, that think they got a right to SEE the tapes we're hiding of whatever it was that done hit the pentagon or see the results of the cockpit recorders in ANY of the three planes..(well cept with a threat of permanent imprisonment for members of those families that DID get to hear those tapes, if they spoke out about the contents..FUCK THEM..FUCKING MOURNERS!!!..we need to tyrannize them too and the lyin motherfuckers that found melted supports SEVEN STORIES UNDERGROUND..dont they know that was one of them super-fire airplanes that can cause steel to catch fire 117 stories below 13 minutes after impact.....and all them scientists, and witnesses, and shit, lets ship fuck-all to china so we dont even have to answer no thermite questions..Thermite? what the fuck is that, i dont know nothin bout no thermite...check the steel yourselves..that O WAIT, HAHAHAH I SOLD IT TO CHINA on 9/13...YOU DUMB MOTHERFUCKERS..GODAMN i love me some Altar of God..and hostilizin..and tyrannizin...whew...Fuckin America..Amen."

he left some of that quote out...i think.

I fixed your italics for you, Sheix.  But I had a hard time because I was laughing so hard.  -Lone

[spike]

We would have gotten our ass handed to us if we had invaded China during the Korean War. They pushed us back all the way to the 38th parallel. Not only that, but Mao was more than happy to use nukes. He knew that he had more of a population, therefore, when MAD came along, he would be more likely to come out on top. He was willing to sacrifice millions of his citizens and endure a nuclear war. Crazy fucker.

[jerkasaur]

Well, I'm glad you're not our "leader" then GS .... we don't need another war.

Perhaps you'd like some more of my opinions...like the one where I think MacArthur was right and Truman was a pussy.  We should have nuked China's ass during the Korean War when they overran the Korean Peninsula.  Or at the very least, we should have invaded China then.  Then again, take the USSR.  Patton advocated invading the Soviet Union at the end of WWII.  Following Patton and MacArthur's advice might have saved us all a lot of heartache the last 60 years.

Anyhow, back to the topic...we should not sit by and let the idiot from China stand on our soil and spout propoganda about how Taiwan doesn't have the right to exist as a separate entity from mainland China.[/size]

i hope you get nuked and invaded unnecessarily so you can see how it feels.

Unnecessarily?  So I take it you support countries that murder and torture millions of their own people?  Perhaps you didn't know, but Stalin killed far more of his own people than Hitler ever thought about killing Jews.  And don't even get me started on China's attrocities.  Invading a country like that, if nothing more than just to protect its OWN people, is a good thing.

Be a Communist supporter if you want, but as for me and Thomas Jefferson:

"I have sworn upon the alter of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."

WTF do to Hilter and Stalin have to do with this bullshit? If you wanna talk about Chinese atrocities, don't begin with the holocaust. Second of all, since when are we in the buisness of invading countries to free their people, and how does droping nukes on their biggest (30 or 50 - I cant remember) cities free them from the tyrany of communism? Do nukes only kill soldiers and tanks, leaving women and children unharmed? NO. So stop spouting that bullshit that we should invade them to free them, it's racist, ignorant, and makes you look like a fool.

[PandabeaR]

Well, I'm glad you're not our "leader" then GS .... we don't need another war.

Psh. We need leaders that are not afraid to kick some ass 

[PandabeaR]

We would have gotten our ass handed to us if we had invaded China during the Korean War. They pushed us back all the way to the 38th parallel. Not only that, but Mao was more than happy to use nukes. He knew that he had more of a population, therefore, when MAD came along, he would be more likely to come out on top. He was willing to sacrifice millions of his citizens and endure a nuclear war. Crazy fucker.

Your probably right. What I dont understand is, since we dont want to risk nuclear war - why dont we just assasinate all the fuckers we dont like? I mean shit... we have the resources so why not just pop the political fuckers out of existance and impose our influence? Sounds simpler than fighting bigs wars all over the world thinning out our forces... I dont know. Maybe I am wrong. Im open to constructive critisicm on this one for sure, cause I am truely curious. Why not?

[Ethion]

ffs, ATLEAST TELL ME WHY ?!

["Sixhits"]

My girlfriend's a reporter; ethnic Chinese from Hong Kong and she had an interesting perspective on all of this. 

Chinese public statements and public events are all "face" events.  That is, they may be stating something that seems ridiculous, but they feel the need to continue stating it in order to maintain face.  Take statements about Taiwan for example.  China would pack up the rhetoric and go away is Taiwan formally stated the were back in China's China.  They'd probably hold a handshake photo-op and Taiwan would be left alone from then on.  The issue, then, isn't the reality on the ground -- whether or not Taiwan is governed indepedant of China -- but what Taiwan SAYS it is doing.  Will Taiwan submit publicly to China's will?  That's what China is most concerned about, which is also why Taiwan making noises about formally declaring independance is so offensive to the Chinese people and their government -- it's literally a public state to state insult.  Anyway, don't take their comments about Taiwan terribly seriously.  It's like Bush saying we're winning in Iraq.  It has to be said even though it's absurd.

I can't decide what pisses me off about Bush more: that he held a pomp and circumstances state event for China or that he fucked it up so badly.  China does not deserve to be treated with the level of respect we show, say, Canada; but they get the 21 gun salute and a parade of revolutionary war reenactors anyway.  Toping it off, Bush grabs him on stage, gets him heckled, the translator calls China Tiawan, and they play the Taiwanese national anthem.

How do you manage to pack so much fuck up in one event, Mr. Bush?


As for nuking China in the mid 50's or Russia in '45... Ghostsniper has once again demonstraited the corruption of the wingnut mind. 
1) We hate these nations because they are Brand Evil. 
2) That's why we'll nuke them, killing millions. 
America has fallen from grace because nuts like Ghostsniper are in power. 

And invading China and Russia should be considered an exceptionally stupid and corrupt idea.  Ghost knows his history, so he knows better.   Such invasions worked out well before, haven't they?  Then toss nukes into the mix?  Jesus - I'm just glad Ghost's selling cars and not in a command position.

Ghost has also previously demonstraited his support for torture and murder.  But he only likes it when American uniformed soldiers are doing the "good work".  A real Christian soldier he is.


Panda: Do you think our leaders are immune to assassination? 

[spike]

We would have gotten our ass handed to us if we had invaded China during the Korean War. They pushed us back all the way to the 38th parallel. Not only that, but Mao was more than happy to use nukes. He knew that he had more of a population, therefore, when MAD came along, he would be more likely to come out on top. He was willing to sacrifice millions of his citizens and endure a nuclear war. Crazy fucker.

Your probably right. What I dont understand is, since we dont want to risk nuclear war - why dont we just assasinate all the fuckers we dont like? I mean shit... we have the resources so why not just pop the political fuckers out of existance and impose our influence? Sounds simpler than fighting bigs wars all over the world thinning out our forces... I dont know. Maybe I am wrong. Im open to constructive critisicm on this one for sure, cause I am truely curious. Why not?

Well...
a. i cant even begin to describe how unethical and wrong it is
b. sets a horrible precedent
c. of course, we did do it during the cold war. Installing such dictators in several countries because they were anti-communist...nevermind that they were facist.

but mostly, I don't think one just goes around assassinating heads of state. that might just be me though.

[jerkasaur]

We would have gotten our ass handed to us if we had invaded China during the Korean War. They pushed us back all the way to the 38th parallel. Not only that, but Mao was more than happy to use nukes. He knew that he had more of a population, therefore, when MAD came along, he would be more likely to come out on top. He was willing to sacrifice millions of his citizens and endure a nuclear war. Crazy fucker.

Your probably right. What I dont understand is, since we dont want to risk nuclear war - why dont we just assasinate all the fuckers we dont like? I mean shit... we have the resources so why not just pop the political fuckers out of existance and impose our influence? Sounds simpler than fighting bigs wars all over the world thinning out our forces... I dont know. Maybe I am wrong. Im open to constructive critisicm on this one for sure, cause I am truely curious. Why not?

Doing that, makes people like us even less. Why does Iran hate us? Because we sponsored a coup against their prime minister and installed the Sha. In fact, we do that in a lot of countries around the world and it never seems to workout quite the way we plan. When was the last time we fought a "big" war anyways? The real issue however is that American buisness has a problem when the people in the countries they are operating begin assasinating the fucktard buisness men.

So to go back to what you're saying, we've been trying your strategy for more then 50 years and it just plain doesn't work. GG we lose.

[(SiX)Sheixhundt]

GhostSniper is DAMN's Ann Coulter...

He does what I do. Play the Devil's advocate..becuase theres no way in shit Ill ever believe that all of a sudden (despite being a military guy) he's taken Rumsfelds simplified Armageddon view of the world...which Ill remind you spits in the face of the military historians view of the world..And the views of all those generals lined up asking for impeachment procedings, becuase the best advice of the BEST military men in the world, was thrown out the window. GhostSniper is defending the Men that spit in the face of HIS military leaders...for being correct...by his reasoning that we all have to hop to and toe Bush?Cheneys?Rumsfelds lines.

Those 4 star generals are all traitors and commies too right, Ghost?

Great for a forum kickup, and perhaps...suitable for someone who doesnt have kids (dont know if he does or not) but he knows just like the rest of the world, that empires dont survive when theyre spread thin like butter on toast. Technically, we arent spread that thin right now, but two engagments like Iran and China, and we are. Spread thinner'n Frog hair, as grandpa used to tell me..


Me? Im cursed with viewing the Human angle, which has forced me to recognize that our government is not really based on Humnaitarian or Human welfare principles..its just the Sales Pitch. I mean who the fuck REALLY believes we're there to help Liberate the Iraqis and show them the shining path to democracy? Fuck no, we're there to sow unrest, to hold off the Pan-Arab Unity..and its working Brilliantly..

 I even buy parts of america's pitch..but not the CORE of it..the Core that drives our foreign policy...Nothing to do whatsoever with what America USED to be about. The America his historical fighters were dying over. Not even remotely. I hope deep inside he realizes that, while hes busy patronizing us with all his Soundbyte justifications..and calling intelligent concerned Americans Communist sympathisers.
Thats weak even for him.

If hes serious..hes a fucking moron.
Im almost positive hes not...
Hes hiding his intelligence behind that incindiery bs, becuase it riles everyone up.
Well, he cant rile me..not at all. Im three steps ahead of those weak arguments.

See, Might makes right...up to a point..then....it becomes a better policy to recognize that you arent the only tough motherfucker in the room. Heres a small example... Russia flew a FLEET...yes ENTIRE FUCKING FLEET of 8 bombers over Alaska last week..undetected by the McMurdo  stations or Norad. We didnt see shit, and they flew around in circles for SIX HOURS OVER THE STATE OF ALASKA. One would think that the best Military in the WORLD (as per GS) that we would have seen them and scrambled. We didnt.

Not to mention the Sunburn missiles they are selling in MAD numbers to the iranians which are PROVEN unstoppable by our Aegis Phalanyx anti missile technolgy for ships in the gulf...where our ENTIRE fucking fifth fleet is sitting..

So you all make up your own conclusions. I would be preparing defensively, not offensively..and i certainly wouldnt have burned outr entire budget surplus, and spend 13 BILLION dollars a month in a country where we can really do no more good...and i wouldnt be openeing up strategic reserves for the RightWing Hummer Drivers, that are convinced God has told them that the end is near..and that Armageddon is somehow a good thing. it wont be.

[cO.libre]

it's very frustrating that all your pro-war fucks would rather spend some odd billion dollars on a war killing people when we have people starving in our streets. why would you want to invade other countries or even think about it when we can't even take care of ourselves ? it's hard for me to believe that we can "help" other countries before help ourselves.