French Riots and unrest

[Croosch]

France seems to pick some damn stupid things to complain about sometimes but oh my do they know how to demonstrate and stand up for what is wrong (in their view). If only some more americans and other populations had the guts to stand up and put themselves 'in the firing line' with other such issues, for example the war in iraq.

I couldn't agree with this statement more.

[(SiX)Sheixhundt]

France seems to pick some damn stupid things to complain about sometimes but oh my do they know how to demonstrate and stand up for what is wrong (in their view). If only some more americans and other populations had the guts to stand up and put themselves 'in the firing line' with other such issues, for example the war in iraq.

You mean all the gutless americans in THESE cities?

Akron
Amarillo
Annapolis Royal, Nova Scotia
Antigonish, Nova Scotia
Arcata
Armidale
Asheville
Ashland
Athens
Atlanta
Austin
Baltimore
Barrie, Ontario
Beavercreek
Bellingham
Billings
Biloxi
Binghamton
Birmingham
Bisbee
Blacksburg
Bloomington
Boise
Boulder
Brampton, Ontario
Brandon, Manitoba
Burlington
Butler
Calexico
Calgary, Alberta
Canmore, Alberta
Canton
Canton
Cape Cod
Cape Girardeau
Captain Cook
Carbondale
Castlegar, British Columbia
Cedar Rapids
Charleston
Charlotte
Charlottetown, Prince Edward Island
Charlottesville
Chattanooga
Chatham-Kent, Ontario
Chicago
Chico
Cincinnati
Cleveland
Cobourg, Ontario
Colorado Springs
Columbia
Columbia
Columbus
Comox Valley
Concord
Cornwall, Ontario
Corpus Christi
Cortez
Corvallis
Cranbrook, British Columbia
Croton-on-Hudson
Coupeville
Cowichan, British Columbia
Cumberland
Dallas
Dayton
Daytona Beach
DeLand
Denton
Detroit
Dubuque
Durango
Edmonton, Alberta
Ellensburg
Elkins
Encino
Erie
Eugene
Fairbanks
Farmington
Fayetteville
Fillmore,
Findlay
Flagstaff
Fort Lauderdale
Fort Smith
Fort Wayne
Fredericton, New Brunswick
Fresno
Gainesville
Galesburg
Galveston
Geneva
Grand Forks
Grand Junction
Grand Prairie
Grand Rapids
Guelph, Ontario
Hadley
Halifax, Nova Scotia
Hamilton, Ontario
Hilo
Holland, Michigan
Honolulu
Houston
Hull,
Huntsville,
Indianapolis
Ithaca
Jasper,
Jefferson City
Jersey City
Johnston
Juneau
Kamloops, British Columbia
Kansas City
Kelowna, British Columbia
Kezar Falls
Kingston, Ontario
Kitchener, Ontario
Knoxville
Lafayette
Lancaster
Lansing
Las Cruces
Las Vegas
Lawrence
Leavenworth
Lethbridge, Alberta
Lexington,
Lillooet, British Columbia
Lincoln
Little Rock
London, Ontario
Long Beach
Los Angeles
Louisville
Macomb,
Madison
McAllen
Meadville
Medicine Hat, Alberta
Medford
Melbourne
Memphis
Minneapolis
Miami
Midland
Milwaukee
Minden
Mobile
Moncton, New Brunswick
Montague Center, Massachusetts
Montpelier
Montreal, Quebec
Mount Vernon
Nanaimo, British Columbia
Naples, Florida
Nashville, Tennessee
Nelson, British Columbia
New Britain, Connecticut
New Carlisle, Quebec
New Orleans
New York City
Newark, Delaware
Norfolk, Virginia
North Bay, Ontario
North Newton, Kansas
Olympia, Washington
Orange County, California
Orangeville, Ontario
Orillia, Ontario
Orlando, Florida
Ottawa, Ontario
Palm Desert, California
Parker Ford, Pennsylvania
Parry Sound, Ontario
Pensacola, Florida
Penticton, British Columbia
Peoria, Illinois
Peterborough, Ontario
Philadelphia
Phoenix, Arizona
Pittsboro, North Carolina
Plattsburg, New York
Portland, Maine
Portland, Oregon
Port Perry, Ontario
Portsmouth, Ohio
Powell River, British Columbia
Prince Albert, Saskatchewan
Prince George, British Columbia
Qualicum Beach, British Columbia
Quebec City, Quebec
Racine, Wisconsin
Raleigh, North Carolina
Red Deer, Alberta
Regina, Saskatchewan
Richland Center, Wisconsin
Riverview, New Brunswick
Rockford, Illinois
Rolla, Missouri
Sackville, New Brunswick
St. Augustine, Florida
St. Catharines, Ontario
St. Charles, Louisiana
Saint Joseph, Missouri
St. Louis, Missouri
St. Paul, Minnesota
St. Petersburg, Florida
Saguenay, Quebec
Salem, Oregon
Salmon Arm, British Columbia
Salt Lake City
Saltspring Island
Sacramento, California
San Antonio, Texas
San Diego, California
Sandpoint, Idaho
San Francisco
San Jose, California
San Luis Obispo, California
Santa Barbara, California
Santa Cruz, California
Santa Fe, New Mexico
Santa Monica, California
Sarasota, Florida
Saskatoon, Saskatchewan
Sault Ste. Marie, Michigan
Savannah, Georgia
Seattle
Sherbrooke,
Silver City, New Mexico
Sioux Falls, South Dakota
Sitka, Alaska
Sonora, California
South Bend
South Haven, Michigan
Spokane, Washington
Springfield, Missouri
Starkville, Mississippi
St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador
Sudbury, Ontario
Summertown, Tennessee
Sydney, Nova Scotia
Tacoma, Washington
Tallahassee, Florida
Taos, New Mexico
Tehachapi, California
Temple
Thornbury, Ontario
Thunder Bay, Ontario
Tofino, British Columbia
Toronto, Ontario
Trois-Rivières, Quebec
Truro, Nova Scotia
Tulsa, Oklahoma
Tucson
Uxbridge, Ontario
Valdosta, Georgia
Vallejo, California
Vancouver, British Columbia
Vancouver, Washington
Victoria, British Columbia
Vineyard Haven, Massachusetts
Watertown, New York
Wausau, Wisconsin
Waterloo
West Palm Beach, Florida
Westbank, British Columbia
Whitehall, Michigan
Whitehorse, Yukon
Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania
Williamsburg, Virginia
Williamsport, Pennsylvania
Williamstown, Massachusetts
Wilmington, Delaware
Windsor, Ontario
Winnipeg, Manitoba
Wolfville, Nova Scotia
Yakima, Washington
Yarmouth, Nova Scotia
Yellowknife, Northwest Territories
York, Pennsylvania
Youngstown, Ohio

All those cowards afraid to stand in the 'firing line' on ONE SINGLE DAY in America: 
Feb 13, in NATIONAL anti-war protests...thats a LOT of cowards...all marching for Peace.
 
Hey I dont mid generalizations..as long as they are accurate...and calling the people that braved police and FBI retaliation to march 'gutless' is as wrong and misinformed as youve been on these forums...the people that live in these communities would likely take offence at your mischaracterization.
Fine if you dont like Bush..neither do the people living in every single one of the cities I listed.

Or maybe the INTERNATIONAl press forgot to mention it...becuase it wont support the assertion that No One in America is calling for an end to the war, or actively trying to stop it..or that we wanted it in the first place.

As opposed to a Central location for these protests..as in the UK, where people were bussed in from 225 cities across the country..This day of protest saw rallies in each and every town listed above.

That's hardly a list of the Gutless....

[Croosch]

People may have did something in those cities but it wasn't anything big... barely anything, if anything at all was heard from these.  St. Paul is one of the most liberal cities I know of and even the protests and whatever else us liberals do (most of which I attend) is never heard publically at all... and since most of us liberals aren't very violent people (judging by the vast majority of us being against guns) it's very difficult to get heard... it seems the only way to really get heard in the U.S. right now is a) if you're a republican, b) if you're violent or c) if you really piss the government off... and I'm talking about normal everyday citizens, not congressmen and such.

[(SiX)Sheixhundt]

Being a member of a, b or c groups will do nothing to get you heard.

It will get you UNHEARD. If you are a republican that stands to question any of this shit..you are for all practical purposes stripped of your position..or made lame Duck, as a result of it. There are those that have tried. My father resigned his position based on his dissatisfaction, and general disillusionment with the current state of affairs, and for forty years, claimed to be Republican. It used to stand for something else...

And protesting in whatever numbers wont guarantee that youll be heard either. Even you yourself admitted that StPaul protests are not publicised...Thats not the PROTESTORS fault, its the media...so i stand by my assertion that those people, (the American People) in whatever numbers..arent the gutless cowards they are being accused of being.

There ARE people in this country (a whole shitload of em) that disgree with whats going on.

Whats funny, though, are those Europeans that LAUGH at our media, or the unreliability of it..seem to forget, that it would be THAT very media, that is not covering these protests, therefore, THEY dont hear about them, leading them to claim that we dont care, or that the absence unequivocally proves that the Americans are a bloodthristy lot of idiots....HOW GODAMN IRONIC.

And how productive would it be for the Anti-American Contingent running rampant, if the BBC, or LeMonde, were to ACTUALLY SHOW UP TO REPORT that Americans themselves were trying to stand up to their government in protest and getting maced, beaten and arrested enMasse?..SHIT it would shatter their whole angle on what uncivilized animals we all must be...and what kinda fun would THAT be?  Theyre having MUCH more fun pretending that we're standing behind Bush with our Chalices of Blood cheering the destruction on... 

Guess what people? thats what happens at large American Protest Rallies, whether your countries report it or not....Seen any footage of the Trade Protests? Lots of pepper spray and batons used then...and those were american kids standing up to big business for you...(some of em idiots..ok, but still)

The media has steadfastly REFUSED to question this war. I am making the point that these people ROSE to action, at the threat of surveillance, which IS happening in an alarming number of cases, police overreaction..(see SanFrancisco protests), and they do so, realizing that no one will hear what they say, no one is reporting on the mothers of dead soldiers (barring Sheehan) or veterans that are speaking out...I mean shit, you all got to see the AbuGhraib Photos right? but how any of you know how many soldiers lost their jobs, or their commissions, or were listed as mentally incompetent to serve their divisions for REPORTING that abuse? Did youre media come to report that? Did you interview our soldiers to show the world that there were people standing up and doing whats right? NO..No, they sure the fuck did not. So dont pretend there arent thousands of american heros protesting this evil shit in sacrificial terms..you just havent looked for them.

Thats the saddest and most hypocritical thing of all..and its the only reason, id spend any time defending them..or bringing up the fact that THEY ARE PROTESTING..despite the claims to the contrary or lack of appropriate coverage...

[Croosch]

Just a side question... I'm confused, are you for or against the war Sheix? just curious.

And I totally understand what you're saying... I think.  You stand up for the protestors in a similar way I stand up for our soldiers.  They're doing what's right, but depending on opinion, for a bad cause (on either side).  May not be the best comparison but corrent me if I'm wrong.

[NoWay]

Trust all governements: dont come in france, forget this country, it is burning  , civil war  death  kill kill kill  anarchy  socialism and stupid people  ...bird influenza, crazy cow and chirac etc etc etc only good reason for you to stop to try to understand something you cant...and frenchies dont need to justify why they are protesting because you are not french, it means you are not concerned by the problem.

Was wondering why you are so interested in that thing ?

You should protest against war in irak, against pollution etc just had guts to do something for your country instead of wasting time with our problems.

ciao

[(SiX)Sheixhundt]

Absolutely 100% i support, both soldiers and protestors.
Shit we're all victims on this one.
I probably should have stated my beliefs more solidly early on.
What this war has done to everyone ..in terms of everyone starting to pull up the drawbridge for a fight, i have to come up with new ways to define what im feeling.

Sad isnt sufficient anymore.

Hearing people unashamedly bash the country that i happen to feel is still a loving, strong, gentle
natured , generous country is almost too much to bear...becuase Im a GODAMN OPTIMIST.
There are Millions and Millions of people who care, who give a shit, who cry over the war, who disagree with out president, and who welcome the less fortunate...but all that good lost its focus...
Worse still, is that Im hearing it from people who DIRECTLY benfitted from the sacrifice of my ENTIRE grandparents generation..from THEIR commitment, their goodwill..and their willingness to put aside their personal beliefs (isolationism) to become REVILED all in less than ONE generation..all gone..fuck it america sucks, fuck them...i mean it when i say i am trying my DAMNDEST, not to just give up and say FUCK YOU TOO...but then...

i havent given up yet.

******No, im not saying you owe me shit over WW2..i just wish you understood that it was symbolic of what a generous capacity America was capable of when we showed what we were willing to sacrifice FOR YOU and the world, when your backs were against the wall, despite GREAT disagreement at home, as to whether we should do so. Anti war sentiment was at an all time LOW in Europe im betting...

Hard NOT to be angry about it some..actually...even though i have to grudgingly admit i DO SINCERELY understand it some...just wish the shortsighted gratitude had lasted a bit longer or at least given a clue as to the underlying moral makeup of MOST Americans, and their families, and ancestors. As youll see later in my post, theres a , SMALL chance, that at least as far as Western Civilization is concerned, that we are taking a MORAL hit, to ACT on a difficult premise for the greater good of the west..although only history will bear that out..and I could be dead wrong.

What i was doing, was refuting the assertion that Americans are gutless cowards unwilling to stand up to their government on the War. (as opposed to the french rebel heros who are willing to stand up to their government over what still appears to me a harmless law...oh and Piracy)
 I was saddened to see you agree with Bfgs assertion there..But in reality I think iunderstood wht you meant..you wish for more assertive or responsible advocacy.   I am no longer certain to any degree that citizen demonstrations accomplish anything here anymore...hence, the poetic irony of the protest..a silent protest if you will. A protest in the FACE of claims that we as a people are responsible for this war...and No, un-electing Bush after his first term wouldnt have done a damn thing to stop it..

Point is, lots are, and like your group, they get no attention as a large demographic of similarly minded people against the war. This is purposefully done, to create the appearance..(effectively evidently) that most of us support Bush, or the War. When Neither is even remotely True.

Am I for the war?  Ok, Krush, you asked for it...

Ill put myself on the line here, and say im not sure.
I still hold the position, that when so many things are done that fly in the face of commons sense, that some OTHER factor is at play, and the entire debate about WMDs, and Saddam/AlQueda were paper tigers, to occupy our rhetoric, and nosey reporters (although there were none, evidently).

I believe that in a way it's about Oil, but more importantly, its about currency. And the strength of the dollar...and the prevention of a consolidation of PanArabic control over the middle eastern pipelines, which is tied to the dollar in this way...Through the currency exchanges.  Now, given this view, if it were true, might POSSIBLy change the mind of the European, to see it as a necessary Evil..becuase like it or not, their currency is tied to ours in a death embrace.

Iraq had been selling oil in Euros, and Pocketing the extra 30% . That alone isnt significant. Where it BECOMES significant, (and this is where it gets good) is when you combine the net effect of Iraq, Iran, Venezuela AND Argentina turning to the Euro as THE source of Oil Currency. Again, not that commodity trade in Euros would alone be destructive, but if those three turned all at once..it would further devalue the dollar, at which point (CRITICAL HERE) the countries that hold american CURRENCY as a commodity would be forced to sell THEIR dollars, and american debt loads off to offset that 30% drop in value. Countries like China and India, which have been buying American and British Debt at a rate of 22 million dollars an hour. At some point they would be forced to sell that investment, and we would have a VERY Black Monday.(and it is said that China currently holds approx EIGHTY PERCENT of US and British Debt..personal, real estate, and housing) (Especially hit hard would be Britain, as their lead economic advisor sold off approximately 70% of their holdings in Gold -ie 600 Tonnes in the late 80s, during the real estate crash) Again, im sure there are dreamy thoughts of that amongst our armchair 'friends"....UNTIL...they realize that THEIR commodity exchanges could not sell THEIR dollars off, before the Chinese holdings hit the market, and THEIR economies would be smashed to pieces OVERNIGHT. as well...  Sure, some have diversified, but to this point, Investment in American labor capital is STILL a strong buy, relative to other offerings..and many western countries are buried to the HILT in investments and currency commodity holdings.   You think gasoline is expensive now? It will be ten times as expensive, as a result of the devalued Dollar and Euro. We attacked Iraq, to prevent the fist domino in the chain, from comfortably converting to the Euro...Iran has its own plan to do JUST that, as has Venezuela... See the pattern?

So...Let me ask you..if an economist told you or the world, that unequivocally, Iraq, Iran, Venezuela's mutual agreement to begin their own internationa Oil Exchanges (with Russia and Chinas absolute 100% security agreements), Like our Nymex, and that that consolidation would ALONE devalue your nations currency by 30-50% by the year 2010....and THAT would start a chain reaction of currency sales that could make the stock market crash of 1929 look like a practice run EXCEPT THIS TIME, it would affect every western democracy in the world...UNLESS...you stopped it......would you be in favor of attempting to stop it?

(there are no other options to this qustion here as i understand it...given this premise..once (IF) that first domino falls, and that alignment of countries got their exchanges rolling simultaneously...the crash is absolutely INEVITABLE)

Forget Osama, Forget AlQuaida....we're talking Economic war....on YOUR CURRENCY, and YOUr way of life..and YOUR job prospects, and the economic dominance of Western Currency (american, french, british, belgian, german..etc) FOR GOOD..would YOU be in favor of the war?

Im not in favor of any war, really..im way past that in my expectations for what humanity COULd become..but id be lying if i said that scenario didnt spook me a bit.

Selfishly, i think at this point, at my level of understanding, i reluctantly have to say yes i suppport the war as a necessary evil - If its truely a premptive strike on the Economic war being waged on Western Economy at the moment....(THIS IS SOLELY PREDICATED on the possiblity that my theory is somewhat on the mark-  if not..all bets are off, and its a solid NO.)

Bt if i knew for a fact, that all of these false-flag, half assed Bullshit reasons we've been given were the reasons we REALLY went to war..Id be the first to sacrifice my life, and or my position and my reputation to fight it..and fight against the war effort. im just not convinced thats why we went..or will continue to go.

Im as tore up about it all as my goofy ass little dogs Chew-Squirrel becuase i have NO WAY OF KNOWING WHAT TO BELIEVE..im just sure that its not as simple as its presented to the world...

And I hope that somehow God..the Good Loving God, is watching, and will take care of all of us innocent, stupid fuckers that have no way to get to the REAL TRUTH..(not the one we debate in Politics class) and accepts that the reason we've been killing each other, is that we were ALL duped into NOT seeing the big picture or been mislead as to what the nature of the big picture really is......(that includes Americans, british, iraqis, Iranians, Syrians, Venezuelans..and Frenchman and Palestinians) etc..

Cuz we're all getting the headfuck on this one.

And NOWAY, you are right..trying to understand your point of view HAS been a waste of time since none of you fucking idiots have explained SHIT..other than to mumble about iraq, busses in assholes and your super fast little Citroen cars,
and your rebellious superior natures....
I never ONCE asked you to justify it, i was 'ASKING YOU TO CLARIFY IT', you retard.
But by your liberal overuse of smilies, i NOW realize you are Simply INCAPABLE OF EXPLAINING YOURSELF LIKE AN ADULT..
So thank you for your valuable contribution..
Now fuck off..im done trying to understand. I no longer care.
Protest Itunes and silly socialistic labor laws, you will be a better human for it.
Enjoy your imminent Islamic Revolution...we won't be helping your asses out on this one.

See BFG? See all the mean shit he made me say?
I only halfway mean that stuff...ok 89%.
At least you and Krush realize i was trying to better understand....right?
i mean i only asked for specifics like a bazillion godamn times...
fuck.

[Ethion]

I can't even bother to read all that sheix.


BFG, I thought that was the reason of the *DAMN forum.

[(SiX)Sheixhundt]

i dont care.

[BFG]

France seems to pick some damn stupid things to complain about sometimes but oh my do they know how to demonstrate and stand up for what is wrong (in their view). If only some more americans and other populations had the guts to stand up and put themselves 'in the firing line' with other such issues, for example the war in iraq.

Shiex, mate i didn't mean that nobody did. the inportant word was more just as more Brits and More Europeans etc should have stood up against what bush and blair have done.

Perhaps what i should have really said is if only more figures in the media would have stood up against what was happening rather than fall in line with what they were spoon fed by the Government.

I never said or believe for one moment that there arn't americans who arn't as or much more disgusted than me by what has happend - hell i know there are because i've met them.

And I totally understand what you're saying... I think.  You stand up for the protestors in a similar way I stand up for our soldiers.  They're doing what's right, but depending on opinion, for a bad cause (on either side).  May not the best comparison but corrent me if I'm wrong.

As shiex said, you can totally oppose the war and still totally support the poor bastards that got shipped out there to do the dirty work.



Oh and Ethion, if you can't be bothered to read the thread, don't bother to post, your doing nothing more than spamming.

[*DAMN Hazard]

Trust all governements: dont come in france, forget this country, it is burning  , civil war  death  kill kill kill  anarchy  socialism and stupid people  ...bird influenza, crazy cow and chirac etc etc etc only good reason for you to stop to try to understand something you cant...and frenchies dont need to justify why they are protesting because you are not french, it means you are not concerned by the problem.

Was wondering why you are so interested in that thing ?

You should protest against war in irak, against pollution etc just had guts to do something for your country instead of wasting time with our problems.

ciao

Maybe Sheix is just trying to understand the problem from a French point of view instead of what he hears from the news, maybe he has a soul, maybe you French guys should stop giving him that douchebag tone and take 5 minutes out of your life to explain what exactly is going on instead of using that 5 minutes to shun him and completely change the subject to American politics. You act as if he was trying to insult you coming back with insults about his country when he is just trying to gain a little insight. You all stereotype Americans but then when one opens their mouth to better understand you, you come back with the classic stereotypical elitist douchebag responses. So either don't be a smartass and argue intelligently or stick to the Spam Drop Box.

Haz

[Ein]

Shiex, mate i didn't mean that nobody did. the inportant word was more just as more Brits and More Europeans etc should have stood up against what bush and blair have done.

Perhaps what i should have really said is if only more figures in the media would have stood up against what was happening rather than fall in line with what they were spoon fed by the Government.

I never said or believe for one moment that there arn't americans who arn't as or much more disgusted than me by what has happend - hell i know there are because i've met them.

Well... People did try to stand up and speak out about the war such as The Dixie Chicks. Here is a girl group of good ole cowgirls who were branded as antiamerican for saying what they thought. After people saw hoiw they were treated by the government and the media... Others who might have spoken out we intimidated into silence.

Take madonna for instance. She was once known to be controversial and she also had an album drop as the war began which she had named one thing to speak out against the war but then changed to "American Me" after she saw the response to the Dixie Chicks.

Johny Depp who spoke out but then moved to his house in France to avoid the reprocussions of his talking against the government.

It is hard to speak up for what is happening if it will cost you your career for doing so and unfortunately many celebrities and the media saw that so they fell in line.

Ein

[ghost.fr]

well guys the story is not about french or not or cpe, all is about our economy going down because the petroleum is skyrocking!! and a new study of the EC is that in 2010 in will be at 115$/b and 2015 at 360$/b

so this is what what should be arguing now !!!

And most of the raise is due to the last american politics :  wars arround the gulf ,  controls of Russians pipelines, control of serbians and pakistanians pipelines,  control of venesualian and argentinian exports !!!

Every time in history there as been a empire, there was some barbarians, and now we are the barbarians and USA is the empire, but u know what appens to empires !!!!

Most of the french guys that i know and that are leaving in the state are realy amazed when they come back for some holydays in ffrench. They are amazed that we can speack so freely and most that we are listened by politician and by medias.

they realy also are amazed that we are so aware of the real issues like i said before, that energy and clean water are now the new gold !! and soon (10 years) only 20% of the population is going to be able to pay is energy bills !!!!

Thats how some texans (5 or 7 families) will control indians and chines !!!

but thats also how they will crush the world economy and soon there own!!! after that ther EEMPIRE will be like the biggest empire the humanity had, the ETYOPIAN, they will be nothing !!!

SO before all is off, plz amercians wake up, stand up, and come back as the democraty u could have been !!! your on the wrong path

[(SiX)Sheixhundt]

Ghost, Im sorry, but i wasnt really able to understand your meaning such as "6 or 7 Texas Families being able to Control The Chinese and India"...that made no sense to me...perhaps rephrase that for me so i can understand? (im sure its just language difficulties)

I appreciate that youd share your opinion without be Too terribly insulting...

And thanks for your concern, but our democracy is working fine, even if still rough around the edges. Elections will be held in two years, and im sure MAJOR changes will be made. You, as we..must be patient.

America has no interest in crushing the Economies of the western world, as they are tied intimately with our own. Crushing any western economy would immediately affect our own.

Which is why i believe that the current war is being waged..to insure a flow of oil-energy resources in spite of a burgeoning Islamic revolution and to prevent the collapse or devaluation of western currency.

 A revolution with which France is becoming painfully aware. I would suspect that that very fear is what inspired your leaders to start regulating the Clothes that Islamic citizens are allowed to wear in public...such as the bans on the Khimar or Burkha (headscarves). You would never find this manner of oppression in American culture,despite sharing that fear to an extent. This fear is gripping Europe at a time where they are claiming that OUR culture is the discriminatory one. And ironically, despite that realistic concerns related to a growing Islamic Minority..europe is JAILING intellectuals who are attempting to bring these facts to light..As Belgium recently jailed a respected University Scholar for simply WARNING Europe that the Islamic revolution is coming home to roost. That poor guy was sentenced to THREE YEARS..for stating the obvious. Germany is doing the same thing...regulating speech and thought. (see Zundel & Irving) THANK GOD, for Freedom of Speech here....

 As a matter of fact, despite some regional hatred, Their culture is protected BY LAW, as are their citizens from this type of over reaching regulation. America was and still is the land of religious freedoms, and that freedom is still respected...to a point. They would NEVER be allowed to burn cars in over 300 cities across the nation while the leadership stands by and watches the destruction without police intervention.

 Nor would we allow the country to be brought to a standstill over a labor law that simply allows emplyers to fire unproductive workers within aprobation period. And despite the fact that sometimes its frustrating that rallies and protests do not sway policy decisions in every case..it is VERY comforting to know that our country will never be shut down and cowed down to change the wording of law by a bunch of spoiled teenagers who are angry at being held to the same employment standards as the rest of the western world. Heavy handed, perhaps at times, but at least our government has a backbone.

Second,  you are mistaken by referring to Ethiopia as the worlds largest Empire. That honor would go to the Mongols (as defined by land mass) and the British (as defined by the size of their geographic control)

[BFG]

Shiex, if what you were partly referring to was that the war is part of a bigger picture and gradual realisation that the shift of power is moving East and that our currency and 'way of life' is becoming increasingly controlled by eastern markets such as China, then i couldn't agree more. In fact i think by the end of my lifetime the economic power map will have changed beyond all recognition.

I was fascinated by what you wrote about the debt acquisition etc. I think most people really cannot comprehend that our (the western world, the Americas, Europe, etc) days as 'first world countries' are drawing to a close, when i don't know but given what you said and the signs of it already happening are everywhere, i don't think its going to be a long time.

As Belgium recently jailed a respected University Scholar for simply WARNING Europe that the Islamic revolution is coming home to roost. That poor guy was sentenced to THREE YEARS..for stating the obvious. Germany is doing the same thing...regulating speech and thought. (see Zundel & Irving) THANK GOD, for Freedom of Speech here....

I hadn't heard about this, dosn't sound good at all. But just as id agree we don't have freedom of speach over here, id argue that increasingly nor does the US. In fact my dad cut out a major article in the paper on just this - the serious vetting and censorship of several top American Academics. I think at the end of the day there is no country that has true free speech, not in the sense that many people believe exists.  But all this is maybe drifting away from the other more interesting issues being discussed.

A revolution with which France is becoming painfully aware. I would suspect that that very fear is what inspired your leaders to start regulating the Clothes that Islamic citizens are allowed to wear in public...such as the bans on the Khimar or Burkha (headscarves)

That i don't think is fair, unless you understand the fabric of French society (no i don't really understand it, but i had a bloody long conversation with my dad over a bacon and egg sandwich and a couple of cups a tea a while back when riots happend last year and it kinda explained a whole heap of shit, pity i have a brain like a, um like a, erm, i forget)

"First Article – Men are born and remain free and equal in rights. Social distinctions can be founded only on the common utility."

Equal rights - treated the same, regardless of race or religion. No special discrepancies or allowances made, people are treated on a level playing field (Ok thats a real simplification but you get my gist).

We had a similar issue here where a girl has gone to court attempting to be allowed to be exempt from wearing her school uniform, and instead dress in full islamic dress... she failed, and i think that was the right decision. She was allowed to wear a headscarf but not a full burka style setup..

You were referring though i believe to a general ban? that i think you cannot apply - we're talking discrimination there. Thats not on.



Ps. Lastly and most inportant: Oh man the Mongols kicked ass

[(SiX)Sheixhundt]

Ah yes, I stand corrected...As I read more about the law, i realized I Wasnt considering school uniforms, and that law i referred to, was restricted to state schools, and government offices. Under those situations, i agree with a compromise on Clothing allowances..and restricting full dress.

So, retract my statments on that, concerning the French.

And although i have no way of knowing which academics your father referred to, i can say that ONE case that has been in the headlines, is a NASA scientist, Jim Hansen who is being gagged by the administration, concerning his research on Global Warming, the speed at which it is occuring, and the extent of the damage.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,17973786%255E23109,00.html

Im torn here (a little)...becuase what they are saying is that he is not allowed to make statements drawing on his research as a NASA scientist (and he is considered pre-eminent in his field) as a civilian. Which, just as spokesmen for other offices are restricted in sharing their personal views if they conflict with official statements..BUT as he makes the case...This is about the survival of the human race, and survival of our planet..and those two items take precedence over NASA press policy..being that NASA was SUPPOSED to be responsible for research that dealt with our environment..and preservation of it.

He, thankfully, is chosing to ignore the gag order...

[Toxic::Joka]

This is the kind of French rioting I like to see.. 

(It's worth the sluggish download)

[Jesus-Meyavalpa]

Nor would we allow the country to be brought to a standstill over a labor law that simply allows emplyers to fire unproductive workers

really dangerous to think that, pregnant women, long sickness etc what for them ? because they are trully unproductives...
Your opinion is just the nazis one, with the difference u prefer let them die during a long time without any dollars instead of killing them immediatly...
Take care Sheix

[BFG]

Im getting tired of people hiding behind 'guest' accounts. either use your account, register or don't bother. Its not like i can track exactly who you are anyway. If your going to continue all posting under pseudonyms or using guest accounts, i'll probably just delete your post.

While i disagree with the employment law it isn't as simple as 'this is bad'. The aim behind it was to encourage employers to take on younger staff (below the age of 26). If there was less strict rules and more flexibility it was felt that employers would feel more able to take on younger staff. If things go wrong you arn't stuck with staff you cannot employ. That i can understand. However thats an 'ideal' and i think in practice employers are more likely to abuse the fact that they can take on staff and drop them without any explanation at all. Your going to get young people desperate for work being used and chucked. thats not fair.

As for the nazi reference; thats way outta line, and disrespectful to all parties involved. Id have thought you would have more intelligence than to compare genocide with questions about work laws... as i've said above the whole point in the law was to ideally make the likely hood of young unemployed people actually getting work.

[(SiX)Sheixhundt]

OK, whoever you are..Ill clarify.
Ill PRETEND youre not just being stupid or insulting, and Ill pretend this has been a worthy discussion, and that i know more about the situation than when i started asking questions..

In America, there are laws that allow an employer to fire anyone for any reason...
Mostly, this is to allow employers to fire unproductive, lazy, or insubordinate employees.
Or workers that fail to show up for work becuase they decide they are going to go downtown, chant and protest about UBI soft, or The Evil Americans, or whatever the fuck else you think is worth these weekly protests...

Pregnant women and sick employees are protected by law.
Pregnant women are allowed maternity leave....BY LAW.
Sick workers are  protected by law,
but unless they are sick for a super long time,
employers will hold jobs, or hire temporary workers until that worker can return..

Workers that WILL NOT perform their duties, or perform them poorly, or reject the authority of the employers, or are generally incompetent may be fired.

And as for that law protecting people from being hired and chucked? Economics take care of that, and prevent abuse...why would anyone hire someone they are going to immediately fire? Its not logical or productive, and becuase of the costs involved in training, I can bet that NO employers would have that in mind when hiring young employees..

Employers need the right to fire WILLFULLY unproductive workers. Or else people will become unproductive simply becuase the Law allows them the security to act however they want without the fear of being fired.

PERHAPS, that law should be in place to prevent these young, spoiled idiots from getting a bug up their asses and takeing a few days off work to run around setting shit on fire, kicking in windows of local businesses and other unproductive shit, just becuase say...Apple won't bow to your will, and allow piracy of its music...

Again, ive been PERFECTLY reasonable and willing to listen, and or explain my position and listen carefully while you explain yours, but if youre going to continue to insult me for DARING to question the great will of the almighty French like little fucking babies..without EXPLAINING YOURSELF LIKE ADULTS, you all can go fuck yourselves...and I mean that from the bottom of my heart. Im beginning to understand why your people are hated. I used to think it was a myth that you were ignorant, self absorbed imbeciles. I have given you AMPLE opportunity to explain, clarify, or debate, but if youre going to just sit there acting cute for each other, without adressing any issue thoughtfully..you leave me no choice other than to think you are genetically damaged, and incapable of thoughtful discussion on ANY topic..and the world had a point the entire time. Take Care, Dumbasses.