French Riots and unrest

[(SiX)Sheixhundt]

I waited until i understood the full scope of the complaint that the French are maintaining against the new
First Job Contract (CPE) laws just signed. So far, i am with Chirac, that the law shall not be overturned..although he is conceding some of the stronger language. Not sure which parts will be immediately amended, but the for cause clause should stay.

Heres how it goes:

The MAIN point of protest against this law, is the stipulation that employers who hire new workers up to the age of 26, have the right to fire 'FOR CAUSE' meaning any reason..for the first two probationary years of their employment.

I waited for over a week to be SURE that my contempt was accurately aimed.

Guess what?

That law applies to almost EVERY American worker in a non-union shop, in almost every job category listable. And further, that law does NOT run out at the end of a two year period for us. American workers can be fired for any REASONABLE offence, thus under the law, for ANY reason. Abundance of Employment lawyers prevents this law from abuse..meaning that an employer may NOT fire you for frivolous reason..or they can but chose not to, to avoid legal trouble. Guess what, we dont have to riot, or burn shit in protest over such a silly stipulation..for the reason that there is nothing wrong with that law. It prevents Abusive, lazy and unproductive workers from gaining tenure, or becoming permanently lodged into the position, so that the EMPLOYER is at their mercy.

Now this isnt so much an attack on the french, but it rightfully COULD be...Looting, burning and rioting over such an inane interpretation of the law is yet another piece of evidence that western culture is hanging on the abyss..That THAT many people could or would gather, to rend such violence on their own country for such a surface issue.

Contrary to popular belief..all the anger present in so many counties worldwide is actually NOT attributable to American Foreigh Policy after all..Something much Bigger is happening. Anarchy and complete breakdown are lurking right under the surface.

What is it exactly? Im not sure, but the question never leaves my mind. WHy THIS level of anger..such as with the Migrant protests in America. Most of THOSE protesters do not even understand the law they are protesting. It does NOTHINg of much of what they are claiming it does..to rile other nationals into a preotest frenzy. MAtter of fact, this new law implements many new migrant protections that to this point had never been formalized..so they are protesting a law designed to HELP them...not hurt them..again..not sure whats going on, unless we can attribute it all to ignornce..

im just not sure.

Any ideas...??

Both laws, as i understand them are perfectly reasonable..but maybe some of the Euros may point out issues with these laws, that the media is not reporting...

[TaVuMonQ]

its not because usa is like that, poor about social things, France (and euro) should be like you...the frenchies are just bored of how the world is going...and not only about this CPE.
last thing, the violences in france are made only by a minority, people are complaining are not violent.
so dont take position from your country when u dont know what is really happening here, and stop to trust your TV (oh shit thats true that TV is considered as a cultural thing in usa LOL)...it lies everyday !
good luck americans, u have to present excuses to natural born americans first and then u will maybe be able to judge the rest of the world...i say maybe of course

Who is your president ? Bush ? great guy for a great country...

Renault, Peugeot or Citroen are going well, how are going Ford and GMC ? waow nice economy u have in your country...

[maco.fr]

are you french? are you living in France?

please it's politic and only for french Watch harlem before watch in France

Vive la france.

[Ethion]

are you french? are you living in France?

please it's politic and only for french Watch harlem before watch in France

Vive la france.

You can't compare Harlem to France. Not that I've been in either of the two places. But you can't.

[maco.fr]

oh mon sale con d'ethion est la, quel plaisir de te revoir, toujour aussi con a ce que je vois lol

ethion t'es d'harlem?, je pense que oui, j'ai meme pas lu ton message, car je m'en branle a dix doigts lol

pour le CPE je m'en branle aussi lol

laisse notre democracie en paix et occupe toi de la tienne.

[Bozo]

I think he is not comparing harlem to france, he just wana say that americans should clean their house before looking @ foreigner's one....

[BFG]

Um macro my French is somewhat lacking, im pretty certain you didn't say this:

h my dirty idiot of ethion is, which pleasure of re-examining you, you also see an idiot  what I see lol ethion are you from harlem?, I think that yes you are, I have same step read your message, because I shake some ten fingers lol for the CPE I shake  also lol leave our democracy in peace and occupy what holds you.

Ok my french is shocking, and i think the translation services available are even worse!!

[(SiX)Sheixhundt]

Very typical, that i  ask in the last line of my post for you to clarify exactly why you are rioting, that you refuse to answer...i guess I must be right...a bunch of spoiled socialists, who think that their government OWES them jobs, and they dont want to be subject to the same type of labor laws the rest of the western world is subject to?

Youre saying that the French are Rioting and shit becuase they're BORED? Are you for real??
BOREDOM is a terrible excuse to go protesting by the way..if you want anyone to give a crap about your politics or your laws, or your justifications..without thinking that your people are acting like children.

So i guess youre saying that all the video and photography ive been seeing is all fake?
And that the International (NOT AMERICAN) explanations for the French riots are ALL lies?

HUH?

And instead of describing the issue, or correcting me about WHY your people are protesting or refuting what i said about WHY they are rioting, youre just going to talk about Harlem, which hasnt seen real rioting for about FORTY YEARS and insult my president..some more...and talk about car manufacturers?
Man, talk about NOT knowing whats going on in the world or haveing a CLUE about what goes on in Harlem. Funny youd use that as an example...shows how aware you are about the world too...and relying on French anti-american TV to get a picture of current events..If theyre telling you there is anything resembling Riots in Harlem, you need to Fire them for making shit up.

..Hahah where are you getting YOUR information about the US if my views are so offbase?..I use the international media and the BBC thanks...(who by the way, are interview FRENCH PEOPLE for explanations of the protest subject matters...) Were the French people that were interviewed actually Lying Americans just out to make you all loook bad or something?  Seems like a lot of work to just make up a lie about it..

WHAT??

So the French are rioting becuase they are BORED about the world, and the CPE is only an excuse?

REALLY??

So instead of using retarded examples about my country (which are wrong, sorry).... you COULD answer my questions. No, im NOT French, and I dont LIVE in france, which is why..um..I ASKED YOU TO CLARIFY YOUR POSITION.

[maco.fr]

we are bored about the world i think, bored about us, bored about dollars, but how many countries can do what's french are doing.

lot's of french want to stay french.

i saw in this forum lots of coward saying french have only 56k modem oh sorry i have a 1024up/20000 dl for 30euros, french is retarted lol sorry guys.

We having a new law again Apple et Microsoft's market. how many countries do that. the french is rebel and well, we have more than you have.

let's french in peace and make your revolution in your country.

i write english but sorry if i made errors

for BFG maybe it's a good translation, maybe not. why i'll do translate in english to write in this forum and saw some guys laugh about me for my "bad english" well now i'll speak french, and "bon courage car demain je peux insulter, demonter et vous enculer sans soucis et pourquoi m'en priver puisque vous l'avez fait".

[(SiX)Sheixhundt]

"bon courage car demain je peux insulter, demonter et vous enculer sans soucis et pourquoi m'en priver puisque vous l'avez fait".

which means:

"Good courage Bus tomorrow I can insult, demonter and to fuck up the ass you without concern and why deprive some to me since you did it "

Brilliant..he wants to fuck us all in the asses with a bus without caring for our safety while he demonstrates about the deprivation we caused him???...err..okay...freaky bastard.

And yes, we understand your english is bad, and thats ok..I enjoy that you come here and try your best to communicate. It's a good thing..and Im not making fun of you. thank you for your very unusual response Maco.

No, lots of cowards werent saying you had dialup (maybe one..as a joke - Probably Ethion..lol)..and OK, good for you that the French want to Circumvent Piracy and Digital Content laws concerning the Apple store..

BUT...i know some boys that live down south, that love them some Confederate flag, Boil up some Mean-ass Moonshine and could show you Frenchies what being a rebel is all about...

Them Crazy Duke boys..

DUKES OF HAZARD..the original rebels...WEEEHAW MOTHERFUCKERS..

(I bet The General Lee could Kick the living shit out of any matchbox Citroen you put up against it..
even firing on just four cylinders...)

LONG LIVE BO AND DUKE LUKE!!!!

ermm..that was just a joke ok french kids?
like they'd ever drive The General Lee running on FOUR CYLINDERS...hahahahahah

I just wanted someone to explain the protests..thats all...
Again, Maco, thank you for your response.

[Ethion]

The thing about French being rebels? Is kind of half-true, yes.

Oh, and I believe it was Chirac who said that they didn't want a revolution. So if theres any other protests out there, they will be smacked down by the french police.

And about French people wanting to be french? France is kind of blocking immigrants to enter the country in some ways. I don't follow this matter to the letter, so I might be wrong. While the US got a lot of immigrants and alot of different kind of people in their nation.

And what is this with "we have more than you"? You don't have more than us, you play a big role in the European Union, that's for sure. You make some stupid laws, where some of them are good for competition, and some are just stupid.

Like the piracy laws, some tries to stop piracy. And some just makes it possible for people to download as much as they want.

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And as for the connection thing, you might have a 20 mb download. But you live in a city right?
Most of the french people don't live in urban areas. From what I know, most of france adsl right?

As for your french, I can't care less. I have a sister living a few kilometers from Paris. And my father speaks french. Chirac even left a room just because a collegue of his started to speak english. He wants to "conserve" the french language. There are plenty of people teaching and learning and knows french out there in the world.

Some of this shit maybe doesn't make sense. And I can't care less about that either.

[ghost.fr]

well guys the story is not about french or not or cpe, all is about our economy going down because the petroleum is skyrocking!! and a new study of the EC is that in 2010 in will be at 115$/b and 2015 at 360$/b

so this is what what should be arguing now !!!

And most of the raise is due to the last american politics :  wars arround the gulf ,  controls of Russians pipelines, control of serbians and pakistanians pipelines,  control of venesualian and argentinian exports !!!

Every time in history there as been a empire, there was some barbarians, and now we are the barbarians and USA is the empire, but u know what appens to empires !!!!

[frenchwayoflife]

dog should trash his translator it really stinks and it shows how impossible is the translation of a language in an other without knowing the people use it...

[Ethion]

dog should trash his translator it really stinks and it shows how impossible is the translation of a language in an other without knowing the people use it...

and you should come out and tell us who you are.

[BFG]

for BFG maybe it's a good translation, maybe not. why i'll do translate in english to write in this forum and saw some guys laugh about me for my "bad english" well now i'll speak french, and "bon courage car demain je peux insulter, demonter et vous enculer sans soucis et pourquoi m'en priver puisque vous l'avez fait"

Allrighty, well i don't care if you post in English Russian French Japanese or Romanian, if you talk like that to people on the forum i'll stick a warning or a ban on your ass. No offense but there is no need for this kinda stuff in here, and id expect better from you.

i saw in this forum lots of coward saying french have only 56k modem oh sorry i have a 1024up/20000 dl for 30euros, french is retarted lol sorry guys.

Im not sure what the arrogance and uneducated view of members of the forum has, nor the average speed of French Internet connections has to do with the conversation regarding the Employment laws in France but hey, whatever.

People don't like some things about France, (hey this is coming from a Brit.. *cough* 100 years war etc) and a lotta people don't like things about America. This topic was originally about the Employment laws and to get back to that id just drop something in.

I know France is going through a serious serious unemployment problem at the moment - particularly in young people and specifically with very very poorest of society. The exact details of the law are not really clear to me but from what i have read i don't like it, i think its appalling and should something like that be introduced in the UK i would be more than unhappy. I strongly dislike Chirac (not as much as i despise bush but hey) and to some extent im kinda pleased to see people really standing up and fighting for something like this... there is a line though between demonstrations and riots.

France seems to pick some damn stupid things to complain about sometimes but oh my do they know how to demonstrate and stand up for what is wrong (in their view). If only some more americans and other populations had the guts to stand up and put themselves 'in the firing line' with other such issues, for example the war in iraq.

[Fromagekipu]

nothing to add, just agree with BFG 

[BFG]

Actually i've just thought of somthing else, and its maybe an explanation of the riots etc.

Im sure most of you guys have seen "Super Size Me" - Morgan Freelock and his mad documentry on living on McDonalds.. yeah? Ok

He's also done/doing a series of documentaries called "30 Days" one of which is on living on the minimum wage in the US... I watched it with my jaw on the floor. it was bloody good, and i think maybe watching that and looking at life of people living on say the US minimum wage might explain the anger and frustration among so many French Youth at seeing Chirac and his cronies bringing in this new law.

[Sebastien Loeb]

(I bet The General Lee could Kick the living shit out of any matchbox Citroen you put up against it..
even firing on just four cylinders...)

The World Rally Champion is a french guy with a Citroen with only 4 cylinders...ah ah ah ah AH AH AH
http://www.sebastienloeb.com/
 

[BTs_GhostSniper]

Renault, Peugeot or Citroen are going well, how are going Ford and GMC ? waow nice economy u have in your country...

Hate to tell you buddy, but Ford is doing just fine.  All they've done is laid off a bunch of unproductive employees so that the rest of the company will run more efficiently.  I know, that sounds so harsh to you Frenchmen...laying off people who are unproductive and all.  Ford has actually INCREASED its research and development budget for vehicles, and tripled its budget for Hybrid Gas/Electric-powered vehicles.  One reason for many of the layoffs is that Ford has consolidated some of its factories and is about to stop making certain vehicles (the Taurus, Excursion, Thunderbird, and Ford GT for example).  As for me, my sales numbers have gone through the roof in the Fleet Division of Ford over the past couple of years (and the highest increase has actually been since Ford announced the layoffs!).

Sounds like you should start listening to what you preach and not believe EVERYTHING YOU SEE ON TV.[/size] 

[(SiX)Sheixhundt]

(I bet The General Lee could Kick the living shit out of any matchbox Citroen you put up against it..
even firing on just four cylinders...)

The World Rally Champion is a french guy with a Citroen with only 4 cylinders...ah ah ah ah AH AH AH
http://www.sebastienloeb.com/
 

Well Sebastian..you almost got the Joke....but not quite. No, Im not explaining it to you.
Google Bo and Luke Duke. They arent real people.

And speaking of our economy and how shitty it obviously is, I'd LOVE for you to compare unemployment rates to ours...O WAIT..matter of fact, i just found a nice comparison..so show me on here the evidence or our soured economy..please. (and no this is not american distorted lying pigdog media- this is fromBrussels and EUSTAT)).

See that Black Line? Thats France's Shitty Unemployment rates,
and the happy green on at the bottom is for the USA.

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/917

And Maco, whoever told you. that America contolled the Russian, Pakistani, Venezuelan or Argentianian Pipelines lied to you...seriously. I hope you didnt get that off French TV.

And on a side note..here we are..18 replies Into the subject, and NOT ONE THOROUGH explanation for exactly WHAT about the labor law everyone seems to have a problem with..some American insults, a couple thrown at Bush and some bs about Harlem.(lol), but NO explanations..  I stated it as best I understood it, then BFG says he doesnt get the exact details of it, yet agrees and thinks that its appalling??...Which parts..i still dont know....The french have done zero to clarify it...

Im still where i was on post one. What SPECIFICALLY are you people protesting about this law???...
I TRUELY dont care about all your other myriad of Gripes with the western world ..i want to know about THIS law...STILL...For crying out loud.