I just find it difficult to reconcile Nader's professed desire to oust Bush and his independant run for the Presidency.

I mean, come now Mr. Nader. Those two desires are in direct conflict.

Here's another thing that proves Nader's shit: Where was the fuck during the last FOUR YEARS? Eating crow?

Apparently all the evil corporations take four years off, so he will too. And then when the media turns its gluttonous eye to election time ... whoop! Nader's there. Lap dog, he's sheer lap dog.

I find little wrong with Nader's professed agenda. It's his true agenda that worries me. That agenda lies hidden behind bullshit and egomanicial whinning.

At least with Bush I know why he wants to president - he wants to turn the US into a Christian Saudi Arabia - a United States of Bushia, if you will. But Nader? Nader I have no clue what he really wants. That's even more frightening than manical, messianic fantasy.

Anybody that doesn't vote third party, just because they think it's throwing away a vote, just doesn't get it.

Just like all those that don't vote.  The reason it doesn't work is because of people like you.  If you don't vote, or don't vote for who you think is best, because you think it's a waste, you are perpetuating the bullshit.  I've voted third party very often, not because I thought they'd actually win, but if they get enough votes, it will encourage more and better people to step out of the dual party system, encourage letting them debate more.

It's not the system that's fucked as much as it's the people that think it can't be made to work that fuck it up.  Self fulfilling prophecy.  

First point: I'd rather not have four more years of turmoil even with a gaurenteed revolution in the electoral system.

Second point: we don't need a full reform. We need the system to keep diving towards the middle, rather than toward both wings.

Nader, like me, is a winger. Kerry and Edwards certainly do understand that American politics need reform. But they also understand that the system can work for them and can work for good.

Dean actively tried a reform package and has as a result revolutionized the Dem party. The Dems are hungry again and back on topic. But the key with Dean is he did it within the system cause that's how you get your point across. Nader has failed over and over because he refuses to take the chance that his positions get shot down while in public debate - he's waited until after the Dem nomination was fairly mundane and then reeled out his old evil corporation rehetoric. And I'm all about fucking the evil corps in the ass, but I sincerely want to do it and want to voice those opinions, and I want to catch flak and get shit on by those that disagree cause I want to be PART OF THE DEBATE.

Not yelling loudest when no one else has anything more to say.

PC=Republican computer
Mac=Free thinking libral computer

Hmmm.....I've been a Republican pretty much my entire life (and before that I just didn't know what politics were....like before age 10 or so).  And I've been using a Macintosh since 1984, when I was also 10 years old (turned 11 later that year).

Well, look who brought it up....I mean, hell, he can't even SPELL L-I-B-E-R-A-L.  lol

Oh Kuza...

 :-(

Brains has everything to do with politics.  The reason Bush isnt a good politician is because he has no brains.

Word is there Ghostsniper is that Bush was not the best student, and he just barley got in to flight school.

I don't know if everyone has asked you this yet but...seeing as your the only person on this WHOLE forum who seems to LOVE Mr. Bush...  

What is it exactly you think he's done for us as the people?  

LOLOLOLOL!!

Well, I'll just give you ONE thing.  Tax Cuts.  I don't know about you, but they have really helped me and my family out a BUNCH.  And all this BS about the tax cuts being only for the rich is just that, a bunch of BS.  I am far from rich.

Okay, so you say Bush wasn't the best student and just barely got into flight school.  Dude, it still takes some brains to pass college courses at Yale and Harvard, even if just barely.  And also, you say he barely got into flight school.....have you ever seen the test?  Man, you have got to have brains just to fail it with a 50% average.  Then you actually have to pass UPT and earn your wings....which is extremely difficult.