Oh... I thought it was just the uninformed that voted for him!!  

ok no more wise cracks. From what i watched of it Kerry handled himself better - And on several topics bush didnt seem able to come back - What really got me was this "is that the image we want to give to the guys in Iraq"

its like hes saying that if you've made a mistake you mustn't put it right and say you were wrong - you must keep going becasue otherwise you might look a bit stuipd and it might give people the inpression your not doing your job if you tell them!

Here's the best breakdown of Bush's collapse last night:

"Tonight, for the first time in a number of years, George Bush the individual -- a wholly different creature from the stage-managed president -- was forced to face his times. And the truth is that George isn't cut out for these times. He's not a capable war leader. His moral clarity is a kind term for simplicity, not a synonym for vision. His straight talk is all there is, he's not obscuring a capacity for complexity that he chooses to obscure for the sake of uninformed audiences. Tonight, George Bush was by turns petulant and belligerent, and by all accounts lacking. But the truth is that this is how George always was, the lie will be the conservatives who attempt to spin this into a single bad night. That Bush has turned in better performances before is all part of the problem. The Emperor, after all, has a coterie of very fine tailors. It's just that they insist on making clothes that are far, far, too big for him."

http://www.pandagon.net/mtarchives/003571.html

What I wonder is how much the guys in Iraq like fighting in order to have Bush squash political dissent. It really is McCarthyism what the Bush Administration is trying to do by continually shouting about Kerry's being critical of the President is helping our enemies and hurting our country. In fact, what Kerry is doing is his patriotic duty and Bush is trying to push fascism...I don't think the guys in Iraq are fighting for the cause of fascism, they are fighting for democracy...which is what Kerry is participating in. I think the Administration really needs to be hounded for their McCarthyist comments.

Well I am glad to see that we are all varying degrees of Liberal, or at least anti-Bush. I hope you guys caught the Daily Show that aired 30 minutes after the debate. But honestly we need a republican to try and defend bush......Buc?

You know.. after warching the debate.. I feel it was a tie... Bush might have said uhh alot... but thats also b/c he is not a great public speaker.... Both makes statments that were wel thought through. I hope to be able to see something better in the next debate that would sway my view of both these men (b/c as of right now.. I will be voting for  myself as a write in vote b/c i dont feel like one guys will be better then the other)

Nah GS, you are just happy you don't have to hurt them when they say something you don't agree with.

Any honest person wouldn't call that a tie. It was a distrubingly easy win for Kerry -- Bush didn't even fight back.  He struggled the whole night to but a conherent sentance together.  That's not being a man of the people who talks plainly, that's being unable to TALK.  It was the most frightening thing I've seen of this president -- his inablity to express himself, and his clear inablity to to deal with having to listen to someone else speak.  It was a shock.

Bush wasn't just defeated, he was shamed.  Kerry was everything we want in a President. Bush wasn't even able to string a sentance together, let alone score points on his PRIMARY ISSUE OF FORIEGN POLICY AND NATIONAL DEFENCE. If you can't win on your own ground, you just can't win, Mr. Bush.

Stop giving biased opinions Six. If you are gonna knock on Bush, at least give detailed info.

All these links and stuff come from all these liberal sites. Maybe if it was reliable.

Anyways, Kerry had so many different positions on every matter my head was spinning. He said something like "Saddam wasn't a threat but when we captured him he was." Shit like that is all that pisses me off. You are acting like Kerry is god and he makes no mistakes. They are there you just simply don't look for them.