Jesus, Jeb - did you not read my last post?

And Bucc - I used to think the most dangerous thing in the world was an opinionated stupid person - a well-connected Dumbass if you will.  Now it's clear to me that it's the smart ones saying stupid things that are the real problem.

Go back to your own forum if you have a problem with me.  I'm not going to keep wasting my time explaining everything that's wrong with your eloquent misconceptions.

Thank you too.

In my earlier post in this thread to which I was referring, I essentially agreed with everything Typhy said, and backed down from my position.  That's all the public defense of my moderating I choose to do for now.  My forum pet peeve is personal attacks, and I will continue to discourage people from getting at the person behind the posts instead of the posts themselves.  I'm not perfect there either - but neither is anyone else.

Hilarious.  Myst, you are a comedic genius!  

lmao, myst. You should really think about bringing the show on air, I really think it would be a hit  

Bucc, why you have to go and post that?! I had just dramitically lightend the mood. Maybe I shouldnt have made you rub the bald guy's head...

My bad. well both of you say sorry and be friends.

I like how you pull out just the insults, and not the actual facts that I posted in those posts Loudass.  Like how Volvo and Mazda are different because of where they are designed and built, not just owned by.  How I worked for Mazda and other companies.  

Everyone here knows that I never post that short and just insult.  I always back them up.

Get off your fucking high horse Loudass.  You don't need to be Bondo's protector anymore then you need to be Snipey's.  You aren't even a fucking moderator there.  

As for lack of proof, I thought you could pull it together yourself, but, my bad for assuming.  How many threads did you start bitching about my posting style?  How many polls about me and my style?  I told you then, I take that as a personal attack.  How you can deny it is beyond me, and just a fucking smokescreen as far as I'm concerned.  

Add that to how you've changed quotes that I've made (instead of just using the real quote) taking things out of context to make them look different, and you deleting posts of mine under the guise that they are personal attacks, yet never the personal attacks against me (I can find 3 by Rapid in the last day or two alone).  

Is that not facts of you playing favorites?  Do I need to post links, because I can.

Ok, here we go. A nice challenge; trying to say stuff in this topic without pissing anyone off. ( With the exception of Snipey, of course. )

One of my favorite things about arguing with Loudnotes, Bondo, Brain, and others, is that they stick to the facts of the argument. They don't feel a need to throw 'personal attacks' into their posts.

Does calling someone a dumbfuck 10 times in a post actually help your argument at all?


This is one of the sad things about your posting style. You often bring up very good points, and some useful facts. However, beacuse your posts are filled with 'personal attacks', I don't feel that I can work off of your points without screwing up my own case. If you work off of someone points, you are grouped with them for the given thread. I don't want to be grouped with someone who can't make a respectful post.


Perhaps you should've taken such polls and threads as advice, instead of just criticism. Loudnotes and many other posters obviously have a problem with your style of posting. Just as a moderator must adjust his style to fit what the members of the forum want, a poster must adjust his style.


You obviously have different ideas of what a 'personal attack' is. Loudnotes started respectful threads and polls about Bucc's posting style; Bucc considered such threads and polls personal attacks. Should Loudnotes consider this thread as me making a personal attack? Most of this thread is me criticising his moderating, and the way that he's handled the whole 'Snipey issue'.

Or, is it not a personal attack because I presented my case in a respectful way? In my opinon, a personal attack on a forum is someone throwing in insults which in no way help their argument. What's yours?

I look upon personal attacks differently. If they're in response to another personal attack. If Snipey makes up some bullshit quotes, I have no problem if a person retaliates. In some cases, you have to change your style on a thread to thread basis.

Somtimes, a newbie will come in here, say some really dumb stuff, and hear it from everyone. At times like this, the person deserves what they're getting, and no moderator should interfere.

While I'd like to be able to comment on some of the things that Loudnotes has said, over the past few posts, I agree with him; and until Bucc changes how he's posting, I can't side against Loud when he comments on it.

Well, :::Sits back and watches::: Either this will go over well, and perhaps give each of you some ideas. . . Or I'll piss off Bucc. . . Or, I'll piss off both of you.

Wish for the best.  [/color]

Thank you Typhy.  You didn't piss me off since you seemed to be taking my side, but good luck with Bucc.

Jeb, the reason I have a "moral high ground" is that I want exactly what Myst has described: a forum that's not full of wanton insults and constant bickering.  That's one of the things Mauti has entrusted me to prevent.  God knows he doesn't have half the patience I do here - if he were reading through all this you wouldn't be allowed to say twice as many things as I've deleted.  I've taken what steps I can do prevent the forum from degenerating into only name-calling.  To reiterate:  I've never said I was above it myself, I just do what I can to prevent it.  And at times, that has included apologizing and attempting to rectify my own mistakes.  So yes my "shit stinks" but I don't flaunt it or actively encourage the smell.

Incidentally, I included the flamewar here as an example of things Bucc said.  He brought it up - I felt the need to defend myself.  The material points are not the issue - I just picked out the inflammatory things.  Any time you're seriously calling someone a fucking retard, context doesn't matter.

Myst - it seems like whenever I try to be less reserved myself, I'm called a hypocrite.  Bucc and I used to be friends until we started disagreeing on things.  I've said repeatedly that that needn't be an issue if he were willing to look at me on his own level.  However, he persists in viewing me as beneath him as a human being, and I want no part of that.

Bucc, I also left out everyone else's arguments too - like how you worked for the American division of Mazda, and how the mazda website calls the company itself Japanese!  And yet, given that, I still allowed that different perceptions would allow different interpretations.  And yet you still attacked this middle ground??!   You've told me repeatedly that I'm the one who refuses to give in, but it's your own opinions which seem determined to be correct.

Go ahead and post links if you want, there's a solid reason or an apology behind every action I've ever taken as a moderator.  Sometimes with Rapid, for example, its easier to leave something he's said around and ignore it instead of deleting it and starting his bitching up again.  Furthermore, I'm not Bondo's "protector"; he's my friend.  Or an online ally at least, and I resent it when you treat him like scum too.  I won't always defend his actions, but I'm not going to sit by idly when you resort to mudslinging.  Even when that eventually throws it toward me.

Listen to Typhy.  I can't possibly say anything that will have any positive effect on you unless it's conceding a point.  There's really no point in my continuing to debate with you if you refuse to do so civily.

And furthermore, since I don't care to post these same ideas in the other threads, the "rules" to which I was referring are basic manners.  I absolutely refuse to continue to be insulted by some haughty stranger on this forum.  Write politely and without condecension, and you will have my undivided attention and humility.