For starters, let's start with a brief description of the situation:

MP5 vs BTs, CB 1, Raven Shield Ladder Finals, 4v4.

Maniac, Typhy, Myst and 5150 vs Sar, Crypt, Lee Harvey and Eight.

-MP5- Mysterio as host.

BTs calls first map, as the visiting clan, they choose Garage, the match is played, BTs wins the first match 2-0. No major problems.

Second match, as losers, we pick MP Prision as our map. Everyone teams up red. Everyone including BTs. We say "Uh, dude, it's our team choice." However, BTs claims that it's their choice, because we're host. Sitting next to me, I have my iBook. As the argument goes on in the game, I look up the rule. I search for "color". I see Rogue Spear and Ghost Recon specific rules stating team colors. However, when I go down to the Raven Shield rules, I see:


"If playing on same host, the guest picks the first match, and following matches are chosen by the loser."

For evidence that we were playing on the same host, I provide a portion of a chat log with Eight:

"[3:01 PM] -MP5-Typhy.-a2-.KDX: We've got a Dual 2GHZ G5, 2GB RAM, 3.5MBPS in South East Canada"

"[3:01 PM] BTs_e?ght: and that means?"

"[3:01 PM] -MP5-Typhy.-a2-.KDX: And that means he can host."

The convorsation then turns to a discussion about the amount of players with no further comment on hosting. I have the full chat log avalible by request.

Anyway, BTs refused to join the green team. They called us cheaters, made threats, and said that as soon as we quit the game, they'd persue a forfeit.

We left the game, and we're requesting that we be awarded a forfeit win over BTs because of a refusal to continue a CB.

Any questions that you don't want to ask here, please, feel free to drop me a message on GameRanger, AIM ( aktyphy ), or email ( hawkeye@edonews.com ).

Regards,

Typhy
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According to what a guest clan means...... the NON HOSTING CLAN is the guest clan. Ask any GhR players they will tell you .. if your not the host you r the guest. BUt according to what you said in the CB.. You Are an admin and YOU  WROTE THE RULES FOR THE RVS LADDER! You said that at the start when you tried to argue that we pick the  first map and you guys pick the color..... you said you know the rules b/c you wrote them. Well them i probved you wrong by quoting the rules as they are written on the DBL site. Now Typhy.. I would like to call you out on abuse of Admins powers b/c from what i can see.. you like to use your admin powers to bullie around other clans.. you even said when we were saying lets ogo talk to an admin.. you said.. "WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE TALKING TO.. IM AN ADMIN". then i truend arouns and sai you r not  the only admin in here but im not going to use that to try to bullie you guys... I just will say what the rules say and let the other admin follow what.. according to you.. you wrote and should know by hart!!

I still will like to see where it says in the rules where it says u can change colors?

 

Oh im still looking...

ok it seems that there are other issues regarding this that havn't been addressed. So reopended for u guys to discuss, but please keep it clean and straightforward, leave of the flaming and lets try and sort this out like adults.

The biggest issue here now seems to be the status of the cb ie whether it is / was a forfiet etc.

You all play this game for enjoyment. please lets try avoid jumping for forfiets as their is just no fun in it. If those iinvolved would put their view on the situation CLEARLY however it would be extreamly helpful.

  Hello,

If BTs wants to look for a forfeit in this, I guess we'll play along.

BTs refused to continue the CB, and it wasn't until nearly 45 minutes later that Eight asked if we could continue. At that point, we had two players on; myself, and Maniac who was in a game. Maniac was probably the one who was most disgused by your behavior in this CB, and the default CB size is a 4v4.

Why wasn't this simply settled by an admin on GameRanger? Because the admin on GameRanger was wrong. Some questions can easily be answered by an admin. Others need to be discussed. The admins on GameRanger ruled in favor of BTs. I disagreed - I had the rules infront of me, and it was clear that I was right. Because of that, it was only fair that I take it to the forums.

What were my options in this CB? Play on, allowing them to pick the color each time? Accept a ruling that I knew was wrong? I think I clearly did the right thing in bringing it to the forums.  

Who's at fault? The clan who misread the rules, and then were unable to realize that they were wrong until 45 minutes after the CB, when our members were no longer online, or the clan who refused to allow their opponent to cheat in a CB?  

eight, the RvS screenshots are created in the RvS app folder (the main  folder.)

Point is, Eight, you created the problem in the first place - not us.

I hate arguing on GameRanger, and even more so in tiny messages with 8 people in a Raven Shield game, I'd much rather argue on the forums, hence the "You want to take it to the forums?"

Reason I'm not on GR is because it's impossible to post when you're getting 20 PMs a minute.

In the end, you created a problem that wasn't there.

I only read about the first 5 posts...

jeeesh, same shit different day...

In every single match that BoC played I hosted. Before the matches we would use GR voice chat to discus the rules of the game and make sure that everyone is on the same page. All games being played on the same host guest clan picks map and team. Loser gets to pick from there on. There is no other way that rule can be interpreted unless you smoked way to many bong hits.

Well Crypt, its the fault of those unidentifed clans that let you guys play that way.

BoC played agains BTs(on my server) and we didnt play your way Crypt. So why would this cb be any different. I think you all should read the rules again.

fyi: I was the leader and founder of AgT, an all Ghr clan.
fyi: I have been a Admin since the release of RS.