I just wanted to say that playing AA definitely changes things when you come back to GhR.  I definitely hold RS and R6 on a different level than GhR.  RvS will be the game that replaces RS and R6 of course, but will AA be the next replacement for GhR?  Here are a couple... um... quite a few of points that make AA superior to GhR, as well as deeming it a suitable, if not a more enjoyable, replacement.

?   Defined Kit Selection (Only one sniper usually if any at all, and one M203 GL)
?   Penalties for TK's
?   Gain Points to Access Maps and Kits
?   One Account (If you create multiple accounts, you always start at ?)
?   Punkbuster
?   No Ready Box (No waiting for idle players)
?   No Command Maps
?   No Sensors (Thank God!)
?   Real Teamwork is Needed (As opposed to the typical ghR 3 v 9, where the tema of 3 wins)
?   You CAN Jump
?   Nade Spamming Somewhat Eliminated
?   Cool Command Vocals ("Grandma was old, but she was slow!")

Wow.  Just by looking at what I wrote down here, I can plainly see what GhR lacks.  I would say most of the enjoyment in AA happens in the public rooms, where the majority of the points I made above fit perfectly.  Of course, AA has its many downsides.  Shall I list a few?

?   You Have to Pay for a Server (If you want to CB, or play privately.  At least as far as I know.)
?   Changing Maps = Cumbersome (I wish there was a better way...)
?   Guys with 87 Honor Points Eat You for Lunch (God I hate that!)
?   Penalties for TK's
?   Your Horse Breathing When You're Still Throws Off Your Gun Sight (I don't breathe that heavy in real life... even during sex.)
?   The Keys Are Completely Different than GhR (Can be a good thing as well...)

Well, I think that sums it up for the most part.  I know each of the lists could be longer of course, but it's 04.00EST here (09.00GMT), and I'm getting tired.

So... does anyone think that maybe in order for GhR to survive in this league, we should adopt some of what AA gives us, or should I say, takes away?  I know much of what I pointed out can't be added or taken away from GhR, but it's a thought.  Items such as 'No Sensors' would definitely change how GhR is played now.  I know from my experience on the PC server that 'No Sensors' is always on.  It definitely keeps you on your toes.

Well, does anyone have some suggestions?  I'm not saying that GhR is now dead and needs CPR or anything, but with AA gaining popularity finally, and with RvS just around the corner, it looks as if GhR might be out the window due to sheer competition.  Can we save this game, or this ladder?  As much as we say GhR isn't dying... "We're just taking a break"... yeah right.

Anyway, I just wanted to point out some of those things.  I have really enjoyed playing GhR, but I think the changes that we have been looking for haven't come fast enough.  Aspyr seems to have abandoned it due to developing RvS and other games.  Evill has made it a bit more difficult to do certain things, although his intentions were great (Anti-Cheat Plug-in / NF Block / No IP Joining).  GhR just seems more difficult to play these days, not to mention that many of us have taken GhR so seriously, we have sucked out the fun completely, and not just for us either.

In closing, I hope that the majority of you out there in GhR land haven't given up on GhR, or are just biding your time playing other games or waiting for other games to be released (There has been an enormous decline of GhR activity on GR since Season 5 ended).  With RS and R6 being mostly obselete these days, GhR is what keeps this league going.  AA isn't exactly something that's easy to include into a league, so that new resource it out as well.  It looks like without GhR, this league will gradually decline.  I'm sure RvS will be a hit, and I hope it is.  But, if RvS turns out to simply be a merger of RS, R6, and GhR, I don't see a silver lining to the dark cloud that looms in the distance.  I think people out there want something different, and right now, AA is satisfying that hunger.  Unfortunately, if this league cannot harness AA somehow, or if RvS doesn't pan out the way we all hope it does, I think we will have issues on our hands, and very soon as well.

.::|N| Noto

I would rather be proactive in issues like this than to suddenly be smacked in the face.  Please, post your opinions.  Caution though, I'm not attempting to start a flame war on why or why not GhR is declining, or why or why not this league depends on GhR.  I think we can all unanimously agree that there will be issues in the near future.  Let's try to proactively solve them now, if we can.

THe damn kit selections, you just join servers hoping that you can pick a good gun.
One of the best things of AA is that you can pick up guns so you can steal a sniper when you didnt did the snipertraining.
Penalties for tk, you do nothing else then tking in that game
One account is so stupid if your account doesnt worka nymore or so oyu can start all over again. Like happened to me
real teamwork is needed??? Your just running arround the same as you would do in a GHr game the only thing that could add some teamwork is when you are on a voice app jsut the same as in GHr. If someone with 83 honor points comes in he cna probley kill all of the enemy without needing help of his teammates.
Its good that that game doesnt have an oicw with nades
Spend hours searching for that one vocal you want to use.
get lost in the map because there arent commandmaps.
Punkbuster? Well I was on a server getting owned by an aimbot but cant remember if punkbuster was on or not. Was really funny the guy had a grenade launcher and never missed its cool to see a nade fly right into someones head.
and the keys are different then Ghr well you can take different keys then not?

Awh poor flies. I could come into an AA game to kill you if you like so you can taunt me?

AA is the shit.  If you think its too difficult to play your bitching for no reason.  Everyone wanted this option and that option for Ghr when they played it all the time.  Now the options are here for AA.  The only reason why some of you think its cumbersome is because you need to remap your keys or use the bindings.  Bindings = Success.  

Did i mention its FREE?!  How can someone pass up FREE, not even a Jew like me could pass up FREE.

Just to throw my opinions into the mix.

System Requirements:
Both are high.  I don't care what minimum requirements are stated for either, they are both damn high.  You are going to need a high end machine to play either game if you want decent frame rates, or suffer.

Also, I don't think bringing up OS9 is an issue.  OS9 was replaced years ago now.  If people want to cling to it for whatever reason, they are not going to play very many new games at all.  The machines that these games are now being designed for wont even boot into OS9.

AA:
AA has some good maps, pretty realistic.  The gun accuracy seems realistic too.  I like the different speeds you can walk and crawl, I like what it does to your accuracy.  I really like some of the SF maps.

I'm not happy with the quality of the game going down in the latest releases.  They rushed this last one.  They know about a bunch of sound issues, but just plowed them to the next update.

I hate it not being on GameRanger.  Playing with people you know is half the fun to me.  And I've been on too many servers where people are too quick to vote to kick someone.  I really don't like that feature.

Punkbuster is great in theory, has bugs in reality.  I like it, like it a lot.  But too often there's a problem with punkbuster that will kick you.  This is in all games, not just AA (btw, I did get an e-mail on one way to help prevent it).

RvS:
RvS will be the next big game on GR.  It will bring many GhR players, and many of the RS/R6 players that never made the jump.  Why?  Because it will be on GR, not gamespy.

Also, I think that many of the people that didn't make the jump to OSX and GhR are going to have to soon anyway, because those old iMac 350's and 400's that they are running need to be replaced soon anyway.  

RvS also uses the UT engine (not it's own this time).  That engine was already ported and done well in my opinion.  I would guess better framerates then GhR on my machines (but it's just a guess for now).

In conclusion, I really don't think AA is going to take off.  look at games like RTCW and MoH.  Both good games.  RTCW is superior to GhR in many ways even.  But games that are server based like them don't seem to do well on GR.  And both of them can be hosted on GR.  AA can't.  So it's just plain easier to find your buddies on GR than it is otherwise.  

One extra note here.  I'm also going to be trying to add a nVidia 5200 Ultra to my machine in the next week or two.  I'm just waiting to hear from anyone that may have tried it already.  It's a better video card then anything but the 9800pro that we can buy, and it's under $100 for the 128MB, and only $130 for the 256MB models.  So I'll let you guys know if it works, and how well.

Oh, I forgot to mention, I hate not having maps in AA.

I don't need a map that tells me where everyone is, but face it, they give soldiers MAPS in the army.  Going through the SF E&E training would have made sense if we had a freaking map.  Maps are good, maps are smart.  Soldiers should have GPS!

I think the point of it was that you were escaping from a POW camp or something (thats why you had no gun) so I don't think they would have a map of the area or GPS down your shorts.

Ghr sucks...and if i may say, pelase dont compare it to AA. GhR is a waste of hard drive space to any good FPS gamers such as myself and fellow KoS members and RS vets that stood a chance against KoS. GhR was a horrible game and ill probably get bashed for it but compared to AA its like atari tennis. AA is sooo much better then GhR and it is great for matches since a2 used to play on PC ladders till they kicked us off cause they got owned so bad...(9-2 record against PC clans). AA is a good game and i will defend it to the end.

Ok, GHR hater here.

AA's advantages: ( Note: I left out things that are a matter of opinion, everything on here is undisputable, yes, that includes #3 and #4. )

1.) AA has superior graphics.
2.) AA is a better port.
3.) AA is objective based, which helps to eliminate campers.
4.) AA accuratly portrays shooting while moving.
5.) AA has a built in server tracker.
6.) AA is free.
7.) AA does not require that you insert a CD ( or mount an image ) each time you want to play.
8.) You don't have to wait forever for people to "ready up".
9.) AA servers don't crash.
10.) You have the ability to votekick people.
11.) You lose points, and lots of 'em, for TKing.
12.) There is medic class.
13.) No more gay "zooming" guns. In AA, you'll find iron sights and scopes.
14.) You have the ability to cook off grenades.
15.) You have smoke grenades and flashbangs
16.) You can jump.
17.) You can see your gun!
18.) Punkbuster.
19.) Ability to crack doors.
20.) Ability to shoot through doors.
21.) Ability to roll.
22.) Bipods.
23.) Ability to customize your weapons.
24.) Better movement selections ( walk, sprint, run ).
25.) Changing rate of fire is no longer instant. You actually have to move your finger.

There, 25 reasons AA is better.

Now, I may have broken the rule I stated at first a couple times. Some things I pointed out are a manner of opinion, some could argue that the ability to roll is nice, but it takes away from the ability to peak while laying down. Some could argue that the votekick feature is abused. And I'm sure that some people perfer, gay as they are, their "zooming" guns.

However, I think everyone here can agree on most of the things on that list.

GHR's superiorities:

1.) GameRanger support.
2.) Not made by the US Army ( that ones for you, GhostSniper. )
3.) Supports, by default, more resolutions.
4.) You can create mods for GHR.
5.) Has single player.

The first one of GHR's superiorities is questionable. I mean, sure, I'd love to be able to play it against my friend's on GR easier, however. . . In many cases, I'd rather go play on nice, dedicated, fast, lag free servers than on small, laggy servers on GameRanger. Both lack a lot in this field. You can play GHR on GR, but it lacks a built in server tracker. AA has a built in server tracker, but you can't play it on GR.

The second of GHR's superiorities is just me being a troll.

The third is a nice little feature, I hate having to go through data files just to set my nice wide screen res, which I still haven't found out how to do in AA 2.0. This is unquestionably an advantage of GHR.

The fourth, you can create mods for GHR. Another useful thing. Simply makes the game more expandable. However, AA continues to come out with new realeases which act like official mods.

The fifth, GHR's single player: While AA does of course have the option to play training missions, there are no training missions where you get to shoot anything other than targets. Single player is definiantly a nice feature of GHR. However, in this case, it doesn't really come into play, since we're talking about multiplayer.

I'm sure I left out a few advantages about both games, but those are the ones that jumped to my mind first.

Your opinions?

Thanks for the pic Joka.  I know have a complete image of what a Fin looks like when shitting into a cup when looking for a job at the local fast food stand.  By the way, how much do you make at McDonald's now, and is it in Euros?



.::|N| Noto