Just a shout/cry/plee for some information and clarification on the use of WZ in cbs.

As i understand it with lms the following applies (examples using 4v4 setup)
if one team eliminates their oppolents they win
if one team has more guys alive at the end of the game than their oppolents they win.
If both teams have the same number of guys alive then the game is declared a draw.

So with warzone...

If one team holds the base, uniterupted for 3 minutes they win the game.... or
and now the big im confused by:
if you don't take the WZ but have more remaining guys than your oppolents (who also fail to hold base) do you win?
Or do you have to eliminate the entire opposing team to win?

What are the specific rules for use of WZ? i always thought it was basically LMS but with the added element that if you could hold the base for 3mins you won!

Please enlighten. thankyou
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well,  

I think the reason why this was an issue for BFG is because we were under the impression that when one team is up in a cb and the time runs out.  Even though the other team that is down a man might have gotten the Warzone after the 3 min warning within the game the game should have gone to the team with more players.  To be honest the only reason I personally have an issue with this is because, first off, we had never experienced this situation before.  Second off, we were told originally that Warzone was only introduced to the cbing community to add an objective to the game.  Most of us, including Dr. No at first were under the impression that whatever team had more players in the end would be the victor of that game.   Plus since we knew that Warzone had glitches from before we were assuming that the tie, just because the losing team got the Warzone, was one of those errors that was not corrected within the game.  

I dont think that most clans have had that problem but when you play a serious camping map like Airbase (Warzone), that situation might happen that you cannot find the last guy in your efforts to take him out.  And if we would have known that you can tie the game simply by taking the base then we would have taken measures to take the base as well or prevent the capture of the base.  I am not trying to argue with the facts.  The facts are the game does say it is a tie when one team has 2 men left and the other only has one but has the base for under 3 min.   That is the case.  But nowhere in the BL rules does it say that this would happen, so there was no way for us to prepare for this scenario.  In the end both teams agreed to talk to an admin halfway thru the game and at first DR. No agreed that it was our win, then after your debating with him he retracted and said that it did count as a tie.  No matter, in the end we subsided with the tie.  The point I am trying to get at is the fact that since no one was presented with this scenario till now we had to make our best assumption based off of what the known rules were about the cb.  And that is why most of us in this case would agree that even though it said tie in the game, it was the team with the most men left within the game that should have won, and that is also why BFG is bringing up this issue here.

Rule #8 of BL rules state:

8.   A win is when a team either kills the entire other team or is the team with the most people left alive.
A tie is when both teams have the same number of players left alive at the end of the game.
A loss is when a team either is entirely killed or has less players alive than the other team.

Nowhere on the BL rules ver 1.8 does it ever say that Warzone rules apply specifically to Warzone.  It only states specifically rule #8 about how wins and ties occur.  So if the tie was to be allowed within the BL rules then it should, by all rights be posted in the BL rules, which it is not.  That is our main issue with this taking of the Warzone in less then ample time being considered a tie even though the WZ game says so.  Again, either 1. WZ wasnt tested enough for these problems, 2. The BL rules were not specific on what rules apply to gameplay. or 3. The rules stand and it should be the win of the team that had more guys left on the board.  Anyway, that is just my opinion.

+MOD+Saberian

hey,

all in all Noto is right i think, cept that my opinion is that u can win also when u have more people when time is up and no team got the warzone yet.

just take that what the game says: when it says "Victory!" u won, when it says Draw then it?s a draw and when it says that u lost then u lost... that?s very simple isn?t it?  

[one] Civic.xo

Hey Val,

How the warzone mod is now, unless the entire team is wiped out, it does say draw at the end of the 10 minutes no matter how many people are left alive.  If one team has 4, and the other has 1, it'll say draw.  So Civic has it right actually.

Like val said:


and i've never seen it happen.

It makes sense how the game is, but I was just going by what the rules said.  that's all.  If you look at the rules, they are somewhat different to how WZ really is.  It's obvious that not many people have gone thru every scenario that has happened within the WZ game but then again, how are we supposed to know what to expect if there is no guideline to follow from the beginning.  That was our main issue about the problem.  I am not objecting in any way to how it's to be played, but if there is a specific way that WZ is gonna be played then it's only fair that we know as clans how WZ works.  This way we can prevent these issues within the future.

+MOD+Saberian

haha at Noto's "or"

Yes, i do believe that Noto has a serious point.  One of these awnsers should be puit into the BL so people can stop assuming what the rules are really on that point.  it dosent take much time for  some admin to put this into the BL rules.  and since the rules were originally made to be specific, this should also be listed in there.  Especially since WZ has possibly a different guideline to follow.  So if someone can plz put this in the rules like Noto said and pick one of the choices, we can all move on with our lives on this issue.  Thanks.

+MOD+Saberian

Um... Flies... what are you talking about?  In Warzone, if you do not completely eliminate the other team, or if you do not "take" the warzone, it results in a tie, regardless of the number of guys left alive.  If you do not accomplish these two above stated objectives, the game itself declares a draw.  It is declared a draw because the two objectives were not completed successfully.  please do not try to make Warzone, LMS.  They are different.  If they weren't, we would still have camping in Warzone.  Read above for my two explanations.  It is not clearly written in the rules either.  those rules were from last season and were in reference to LMS.  Other than the rules of setting up warzone, there are no rules that actually regualte this game type whatsoever.  I still think this issue needs to be addressed, and resolved by Admins.  

.::|N| Noto