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« on: January 29, 2003, 05:46:43 pm »
Quote from: Flies / ViRuS on January 29, 2003, 02:55:54 am
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OK - so there is a minimum - thats great. But....errrr... 4 cbs during 90 days of season.... I would have hoped for a monthly amount of cbs needed to stay on ladder.

What if a clan decides to stay out of cbs until the very last minute ?
I mean - if they did that, they would be pretty sure to be on a low position on the ladder - right ?
According to the skillpoint system they would then gain a very big amount of points for each CB they did.
In this rather simple way, they could easily race to the top of ladder in last minute, without having that many cb?s to risk their head on.

I am sure the intention of this ladder is to get a lot of CB?s done, and not the opposite.

I would applaud any system that prevented "tactical use" of the ladder-rules, and I think hard-working clans should get some ease from the system itself, instead of being punished for their initiative, later on.

I am really serious on this one.
How about 3 cb?s pr month ? Thats a very low number, but it could be a start, and by having the monthly limit, u awake both the "sleeping-clans" and the "strategic-clans" , so u get a much more lively and real final of the season.

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Flies, I had the same arguement last season when Ulti decided to start cb'in in the last weeks of the season. I told him it was just lame. Then I had to hear the whinning from Ulti that we were "scared" and he didnt like me and AgT was a bunch of fools for not cbing Ultimo and KoS. But now I see that more of you are finally catching on to this "bug" in the bl.
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« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2003, 06:02:04 pm »
Well, I don't think that you can really call last season an "bug", since a 10-0 record would've won the battle league no matter what, since there were so few CBs last season.

I also think a rule like that would take away a lot of the competition. Looking at the ladder, I don't think that 7-20, with the exception of #10 ( KoS ), could get 3 CBs per month. Not every clan that is on the ladder is trying to win it, saddly. There are a lot of clans, such as *NADS and M4 who have goals to finish in the top 5.

I think that there are only 4 clans right now that are powerful enough to do a late season comeback, those being FiRE, KoS, AK, and AgT. - Since AK, FiRE and AgT all start CBing early in the season, this would pretty much be the "anti-kos law".

If things keep going at their current pace, AK will be 27-0, FiRE will be 33-9. I don't think that KoS will be able to come back from that.

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« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2003, 06:51:27 pm »
BS Typh 33-9! bbbbb ssssss. Erm... yea I was thinking the exact same thing when we were gonna cb Nads. I thought if they beat the first place clan when they already have a lot of points they could probably get high on the ladder. I guess it would be cool to have this rule.
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« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2003, 10:25:58 pm »
Quote from: ?FiRE Hazard on January 29, 2003, 06:51:27 pm
BS Typh 33-9! bbbbb ssssss.


Well, if we're 1/3 of the way through the season, and you're 11-3, then you multiply both of those by 3, and you get 33-9. . .

Anyways, I think I'll stay out of this issue, since it doesn't really effect me.

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« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2003, 11:13:47 pm »
Stop trying to corrupt me with your.. your... YOUR MATH.

Clan rank is a big factor Flies that is why a clan like Nads, cunt, or tf6(using random clans) couldn't just beat gwg, nerd, and other low ranked clans and get in first place.
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« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2003, 11:47:25 pm »
me thinks that Hazard still doesnt get it. someday Haz. someday.  Wink
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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2003, 12:29:02 am »
I get it...
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« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2003, 09:40:43 pm »
What the fuck is wrong w/ you people.  Go check out a ladder pt system such as nato http://www.nato-ladder.com  
They don't whine when a new clan comes along and beats out every other clan w/ a 10-0 record over their 40-15 or 75-20 records.

It wouldn't be "cheap" if the clans we were battling won now would it. You really can't be "cheap" and clan battle all of the noob clans at the end as you will never catch up to the top clans in points.  Obviously the way to win is to defeat the best ranked clans on the ladder, which is what we did...
 
 The fact that we were able to go 10-0 just showed that our team accquired greater skill.  I don't see how that's cheap.  So get over the fact that you did not win to defend your points.  This ladders pt system is even maxed out at no more then 30 pts a match, ladders such as NATO clans can gain over 150 pts after each match, a difference between 15th and 5th place.


 
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« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2003, 10:12:40 pm »
Hey viper forget it, theres no point in fighting them.

The simple fact is, people will bring up anything just to try and take the credit we deserve away from us. We were able to go 10-0 beating the "top" clans in under a month. Instead of frowning at that, they should be congradulating us, but of couse not because it's the mac community.Whine and cry until you get your way.... go ahead and make this "anti-kos law", it just shows how ignorant and pathetic you all are. Angry
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« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2003, 10:16:15 pm »
Ult as I have stated before, I will dry hump you till you bleed. God we aren't trying to steal KoS' "thunder". It is just a way to mess with the system.
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« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2003, 11:13:17 pm »
Viper, your post almost makes me want to change my mind. I agree with Ultimo on this, and no matter what anyone says, KoS deserved to win the last battle league. They had the best record, and they had the best wins. End of story.

If |?K| keeps up at it's current pace and goes 30-0, there is no way that KoS will be able to come back from that.

If this does become a problem, perhaps something should be done about it, but so far it hasn't been a problem at all. If I see KoS come in late, and CB all the newbies who have about 70 points, so that they get lots of points, then I will think of it as a problem. But, if they come in and do what they did last season, then they just show that they have a great ammount of skill. Last season they beat AgT, FiRE, AK and RnT. All of those are good clans.

For KoS to make another big comeback, they would have to do much the same this season. KoS comes up to try and start up a win streak, they get one win against a low ranked clan, then get shot down by AK and FiRE; they'll be pretty much out of things.

I know this post sounds really dumb, well, at least I think it does. I haven't had a chance to read it. I am on lunch break, and have to go to class in 4 minutes, so I just wrote it out as fast as I can, I will edit it later today to fix spelling or grammatical errors.
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« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2003, 02:44:24 am »
If you want to get the rule changed, there's a very simple solution: Practice the BL Ladder "Tactical Use" as well. If no clan cb's until the last 2 weeks, I'm sure the admins will change it. Now, I'm not calling for a boycot or anything like that, I'm just giving out bad advice.  Grin Besides, you can always just refuse to play the teams that  do this. There's no rule requiring you to play every team on the BL. If they refuse to play in the first half of the season, why should you be required to play them in the second half of the season? It's as simple as that. The rule probably isn't going to be changed, so you might as well make the best of it. I don't really have a side on this, although I do find it a bit unfair that a hard-working team that plays the whole season loses to a team that plays 1/4 of the amount of games they played.
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« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2003, 08:10:17 am »
Quote from: +-KoS-+?Ultimo on January 31, 2003, 10:12:40 pm
they should be congradulating us, but of couse not because it's the mac community.Whine and cry until you get your way.... go ahead and make this "anti-kos law", it just shows how ignorant and pathetic you all are. Angry

umm and you are saying it would be better in a Pc community? hehehehehehe Smiley
Its Just something that they noticed not a big deal.... anyways is there some reason you olny cb at the end of the season if not thats fine Smiley
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« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2003, 08:53:04 am »
Well, gaining more points by waiting for other clans to win some CB's and earn some points...

Is that what the case is?  The point system is designed to be equal to other clans that want to make a run at it.  Otherwise, clans would be able to do lots of CB's and get so far ahead, others wouldn't be able to catch up.  

While I understand some of you don't like the idea of KoS coming late to CB you and gain more points than if they CB earlier in the season, you can do like Mr. Mellow say and play it eye for an eye.  If you challenge them and they say "No", but then come harrasing you later in the season asking for a CB, there's your opportunity to simply say "No".  As matter of fact, last season after KoS got a good "late start" and gained good points, they said "No" to us to CB in a more or less strategic matter.  In the last few days left in the season, we had an awesome team of me, MPE, Typhy and Monk on, and KoS's had about 7 logged on, and they decided to not chance adding a loss to their perfect record by losing to us, and said "No".  We meant business, and I'm sure they could tell(which is why they decided to avoid having us give them the one loss that would've hurt them most)  A safe move for them, but another reason why we can all do the same to them now.  They use strategy?  We use strategy.  If their strategy is to gain points late in the season, you can counter attack that strategy by diminishing the acceptance of late challenges.  I guess letting them know this ahead of time might push them to CB more now, rather than later... Grin (might not be a later, lol)

Clans that want to win, do lots of CB's throughout the whole season showing their skill at all times vs all clans.  Sleeper Cells is for terrorists!
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« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2003, 11:37:25 am »
Hey all,

Ok let's turn a quote into a question: What is wrong with cb'ing at least 3 times per month to stay on a ladder?

There still would be enough 'freedom' to decide when you play and it's more fun for the clans that likes to cb more than 1 week during a season. (50 % of the GhR-league has been inactive for the firsth month now)

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« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2003, 08:05:37 am »
I have to break clan lines and come to support Ultimo on this. People whine way too much, be a graceful loser, show some chivalry. If you think Ultimo and KoS found a hole in the system, dont whine about it, adapt to it. Use the hole, or counter it by not accepting cbs. The ladder is politics, useless, lame, idiotic, unimportant, but still politics none the less. Boycott them if you dont like it, but dont whine about it. I would not be suprised if KoS did this again, I could care less.

Think about it, if whiners got their way in the Battle League, we would have a no HBS rule, a no PDW rule, a no C4 rule, a no camping rule, and a no lagg gun rule. Dont whine about it, become smarter enough to counter the lagg guns, HBS, the camping, the pdws, and the c4. THIS IS A WAR SIMULATION, NOT A PANSY PINK TEA PARTY GIRLY EVERYONES A WINNER GAME!
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« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2003, 09:15:43 am »
Hey Cossack,

For me it has nothing to do with KoS or any other clan. They all should do what they consider best.
But I personally think it would be more fun to cb during ALL season long instead of cb-ing in the first and last week, with 60 days of waiting between.
So please, feel free to give an answer to my question above: "What is wrong with cb'ing at least 3 times per month to stay on a ladder?"

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« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2003, 09:14:35 pm »
Dutch, you're basically stating that you don't like inactive clans (or clans that play all of their clan battles in the last month in the season) so drop the shit about "For me it has nothing to do with KoS or any other clan."  So if it has nothing to do with any clan... then why are you suggesting clans must play or be booted?  There aren't enough mac gamers to please your appeitite for cb's all season long, try the PC ladders Dutch, they have 200+ clans.

When a clan on a non bullshit ladder goes inactive, it's for not playing a battle in a month.  The system then puts the clan into "hibernation," it doens't just kick them out of the ladder.
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« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2003, 09:20:52 pm »
Ok, for those KoS people argueing, you can't compare this league to a PC league at all. They are totally different, and inactive clans are removed from the RS ladder. You get an Email after a couple weeks and if you don't reply they remove you.

Also since the PC league is so big and so much matching goes on it wouldn't matter if someone came in during the last week or month. They are totally different, you cant compare them.

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« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2003, 09:30:59 pm »
Hey Vip3r,

It's not that i don't like clans that are inactive or cb in the last month, it's just that i like to cb once a week cause I am on a BattleLeague. I know its a fun and non-bullshit ladder, that's the reason we joined  Grin
I really think i wouldn't enjoy a PC ladder with 200+ clans who I don't know. I love it here with all my mac-brothers and sisters (unless you want me out? Wink )
But man, what's wrong with 3 cb's a month? Is that too much to ask?Plz tell me..... Huh

And the "hibernation" stuff you mentioned seems fine by me. Kicking clans is not what I meant.

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