Saddam Hussein Captured

[bronto]

US and british guys shot at eachothers

i seem to remember friendly fire coming from the American side only. correct me if i'm wrong. here's a little snippet: http://www.siteboard.de/cgi-siteboard/archiv.pl?fnr=24&read=1297

[The Golden Shark]

well, i wont denie ( or howere its spelled) that age wont help me gain more wisdom, and maybe the war was a bad example, i just think there were other ways of handling things.

I also hear alot of things that really piss me off, things like:
the new "Healthy forest act" which is bullshit, don't even fucking tell me that this bill is legit.
the possible privitisation of National forests, "Wellcome to Starbucks-Yellow Stone Park"
(IF YOU HAVE NOTICED BY NOW IM A TREE HUGGER)
Drilling for oil in ANWAR
... and i just feel in general that he is not doing the best he could, but then (to ague myself...) what is the best? and who can preform it?

I wish that more time could be spent on the more beautiful things in life... i.e. nature, family, communities...

and no offense, but i believe that it is unfair to say that iraq is happy, its  about a 50% split, and i believe that we didn't really help iraq too much, in other words, will the death and destruction break even with "help" that were are bring.... i just don't think so.

Open to enlightenment....
-T

[c| Hathcock]

Well here you go MRT.  There is currently more power being produced in Iraq than at any time before the war.  Over 1200 schools have been reconditioned, and I should not even have to mention that most of the country, not half, is celebrating in the streets at Saddam's capture.  The militant's are actually a vast minority that had it good during Saddam's rule.

As for the Healthy Forest Act.  People like you caused those very forest fires that destroyed Southern California so congratulations.  Natural fires happened all the time before men interveened.  Fire is a natural rejuvinator for the forests.  If you try to stop every single one at the expense of people's homes near the forests than you must do something to keep the forests cleared enough so that a catostophic fire will not begin again.

[c| Spetsnaz.]

As an intern for Ohio Public Interest Research Group (A nonpartisan, nonprofit group) http://www.ohiopirg.org/ , I know for a fact that the Bush's regime "Clear Skies Act" is a load of bull shit, that would roll back the Clean Air Act and would lessen restrictions on polluters. Personally, this is of utmost importance to me because my state, Ohio was recently ranked as having the worst air in the nation. I value my fresh air and the environment, and I want to see my children's children having the same opportunities. If we allow the Bush regime to butcher basic environmental protections and cater to the needs of big business, there won't be much of an environment for our children's children to inherit.

[Cutter]

i love how you call the president and his staff "the bush regime". what did you call the last president and his staff? or is this a newly aquired militant phase you're going through?

[c| Spetsnaz.]

regime-R'egime \R['e]`gime"\ (r?`zh?m"), n. [F. See Regimen.] 1. Mode or system of rule or management; character of government, or of the prevailing social system. I called former President Clinton's regime the "Jive talkin crackas, with a hard-on for a pardon". Actually, I got that out of a Hustler but it sounds good. This is not a newly acquired militant phase, rather the embryonic stage of my personal Revolution, with the culmination being the violent and bloody overthrow of the government from the top down.

[The Golden Shark]

Hathcock if you knew anything about the fucking health forest act, you would know that it acually make the fire cycles worse. and don't make any fucking retarded ass asumptions that i belong to the people that started the fires, because i bet i have spent way more time in the forest, than your yupee-city-slicker ass has, so fuck you, and learn before you preech.

[c| Hathcock]

Wow, I guess I forgot all about that time when I had to evacuate my home due to a 10,000 acre forest fire along with the few hundred other families that live within a few miles of my home.  So perhaps it is you that should not, how did you put it, "make any fucking retarded ass asumptions."

Perhaps you can explain why a little logging and some preventive burns is a bad thing.  I admitedly don't know everything about the Healthy Forest Act but I do know some details about it.  

And maybe try to make an intelligent comment instead of swearing all over the forum.  It's colorful in the real world but on a forum it just makes you look stupid.

[PsYcO aSsAsSiN]

Spetsnaz, all of the PIRG groups, especially CalPIRG, are so far to the left it isn't even funny. To sit there and say otherwise is a load of shit and you know it. That is like saying that you are a part of a non-partisan pro-life group...give me a break.

Cutter: Bashing of the President happens from both sides, depending on who is in office. For the most part, people vocally out against Bush think that Clinton was the best President ever while those for Bush were for the most part against Clinton. It is the nature of American politics that they are now out and about against Bush - if it weren't the Iraq war, it would be something else.

As for everyone else: Bring this back on topic or else I will lock it. Feel free to discuss these other issues in new threads if you choose to make them.

[c| Spetsnaz.]

PsYcO, Im not in California, no shit some of its members may be idealogically left, you think a group that concerns itself with issues of public interest and environmental well being would not be left on the poltical spectrum? Never once in my previous post did I attempt to paint it as otherwise, but it is a nonpartisan organization, meaning it does not outright support either political party, it focuses itself on the actual issues rather than partisan squabbles. Thanks for your blurb of enlightenment though.

[Ssickboy]

God, I love the political threads.

So Saddam is captured, good, one less bad leader with control in this world.  It still in no way justifies going to war based on misleading pretexts.  Was Saddam going to start WWIII? not likely.  Was he going to attack the US? probably not, and how.  Iraq was already in check.  The UN might not have had the most ultimate grip on him, but I doubt the international community would allow Saddam to get away with anything more than he already was.  His grip on Iraq would not have lasted forever either.  So Bush, in essence, created unnecessary international friction in the name American Security, but really intended to appease his corporate cronies, and maybe even massage his macho ego.  He basically pulled the cake out of the oven early so he and his friends could all get first dibs, and even take the credit.      

What about North Korea?  How about Saudi Arabia, where the terrorist came from?  Pakistan?  The Bush "regime" has it's own buddy agenda, that from what I can tell, has nothing to do with me or any of you guys on here.  He is protecting us from what or whom?  He only seems to be disrupting more shit around the world, and meanwhile letting our economy and education deteriorate.  His "war on terror" has yet to address the key issue behind all of this terror:  The social stigma created by impoverished, uneducated, misled people.  I believe history will show that this "terror" is a bi-product of American Policy of the last 30-40 years.  "We are paying today for serious mistakes made out of ignorance, paranoia, and an excessive trust in arms and power," - Clyde Prestowitz, Rogue Nation.  And instead of fixing the problem, it is the same ignorant American policy that will be digging us into a deeper state of fear and need for revenge.  People up top (who are also effectively running the show) will be generating and compounding wealth, holding power, while the mass majority of American people and our descendants pay in lives and debt, ALL IN THE NAME OF OUR OWN PROTECTION!

I'm not a typical religious person, but what about those leaders who present themselves as devoted Christians.  Were they reminded of Jesus' teachings during Christmas?  Were they ever?  How many call yourselves Christian? And did you back the war?  Maybe you still don't understand the principles on which Christianity was founded.  Someone explain to me the HYPOCRISY.  Or let's stop pretending to be religious.

Noto:  Clarify this for me buddy.  If you voted for Bush knowing you were really voting for his puppet master (constituency) then you knowingly voted for.... Haliburton and big Oil, Christian Coalition, and well-to-do others as our leaders?  I give you this: Colin Powel -s e e m s- like a swell guy.  But this can't be right.  I think I know you better.  

It might be easy to pick on Mrt because he's somewhat logically young, but his opinions are mature.  He's right about knowing that health forest act inside and out before backing it.  Every one of these proposed bills seems to be, especially lately, masking something else that either takes the edge off, knocks the knees out, or is completely opposite of what it seems to be intended for.  Hrmmm, kinda like the war on Iraq;  point.  (Maybe it is a good act, maybe not.  I have not read it either)  

"We are willing to become citizens of the world, but only if the world becomes an extension of the United States."
- James Warburg
Council on Foreign Relations

[c| Spetsnaz.]

"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace in a continual state of alarm (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing them with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." -H.L. Mencken

[BTs_GhostSniper]

"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace in a continual state of alarm (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing them with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." -H.L. Mencken

I think Spets has been reading too much H.L. Mencken.....lol