Cbing only in last 2 weeks of season

[Saberian 3000]

OK, I am writing this because I do believe that it seems a tad unfair to have clans that dont cb at all the whole season until the last 2 weeks before finals.  It kinda defeats the whole point to them playing in a season if they are going to focus on just the last 2 weeks.  most clans online have played cb's throughout the season, but there are a couple of clans that I do believe should be penalized at least for playing all their cb's at the end only.  It just seems bullshit that everyone works hard to get their points in cbing, then all the sudden, within a matter of 2 weeks a clan comes in and takes most of these clans out and claims the points pile cause they started at the bottom.  Well, I was under the impression that because of what happened with clans last season that there was something about having to cb a clan 3 times before the last 2 weeks to be considered for the finals.  Maybe I am wrong but I do recall something being said about that.  I am sure this issue was a problem before in last season.  It just seems odd that there are clans that wait until the last 2 weeks, then all of the sudden get 8 cb's out with weaker clans and bam, they are in the top 6 for the finals.  
     what about all the other clans that have dedicated themselves to playing on BL.  In the reasoning above I do believe that there should be a penalty for clans not cbing a clan 3 times before the last two week period so it will prevent this.  If not now, it should be installed as a future thing to prevent crap like this from happening.  I coulda swore there was a rule about this somewhere.  who knows, maybe it's just in my head heh.  But it does seem wrong that this is happening, dosent it?

[*DAMN Mauti]

Well I guess you mean Virus. However if you look at the matchlist you will notice that they played the whole season but with a strong cb row in the last days of the main season. Yep they also cbed some newbs in the end but they wouldn't be that high if they didn't have cbed and won against MP and GF in the last days... You could also have stopped them with a direct win against them but may that was too risky for you

Bye,

Mauti

[l ! l Ross]

You could also have stopped them with a direct win against them but may that was too risky for you

haha

Well +MOD+ did beat us once this seson.

Yea we asked +MOD+ on many occasions to cb us but they didn't, we also asked TRIBE and [one] and |n| but you were all to scaryed to cb us (but TRIBE did change there mind after they lost to bLr).

So now were above you haha!

I can't wait to get payback on [one] and |n| for not cb us this seson.

So we will see you in the finals were you have no chance to run this time.

Ross / ViRuS

[Saberian 3000]

Ya see, that is a load of shit.  On the 5th of this month they were 3-1.  And we have asked them earlier in the season but they totally refused like 8 times.    Mauti, you cant tell me that they have been cbing thruout the season cause on the 5th of this month they only had a 3-1 score.  yeah, that means they were cbing thruout the season.  Bullshit.  First off, it dosent really bother me cause we were in the finals anyway with or without them.  It just seems a tad bullshit cause they did 3 cb's at the first of the season then refused to cb till the last 2 weeks right before finals.  They were playing the points system and won.  What a crock of shit for the other teams that have been loyal to ure battle league and played all season thinking they were gonna have the ability to hold their position, then at the last day get it taken away from them.  Just dont start throwing +MOD+ into this Mauti.  We beat them like 3 days ago with much risk, and because our guys were gone we didnt cb them again.  Ya see, Mauti, not many clans cb 8 cb's within 2 days.  And when it comes to our position in ranking I didnt really care, as long as we have a shot at the finals.  But it's nice to know that you think that I am saying this shit for my clan when to be honest, i am thinking of the other clans like |DFA| and [one] who have dedicated the whole season to playing, and they get assed out because of a clan that is only in the rankings because of the last 2 weeks.  
   

[Saberian 3000]

  Quote from Shasta:

.... a clan can wait till the end of the season, pretty much the last day and get into the finals that same day, and not cb the whole season almost, i mean nothing against [V], but they beat some noob clans to get there, isn't something wrong with that???

This should be posted in this thread

[[one]Rampage]

"I can't wait to get payback on [one] and |n| for not cb us this seson"

hmm i was quite sure we did cb u guys this season. maybe it was a training cb. anyhow, since u are taking a shot at [one]. we have cb'd since the season started, day and nite. taken on pretty much anyone that offered to cb us. if we would've been "scared" or tactical...we probably would've stayed clear of playing against BTs, c| or |n|. now that would be tactics m8. to me it looks like TRIBE got the bad side of the deal here. so....after having been playing cb's all season long it takes the a bit of the spark out if at the end. at last the finals are here. see ya on the battlefield. good luck!

i'll bring a pick of my mother to the cb vs u guys. she's hot!

[one]Rampage

btw - congrats to the top 3 clans on the ladder. well done

Oh i just remembered - we did cb. it was cancelled because of Joka(he was new to V then)

[[one]Rampage]

looking at another post just now...it seems the finalists are not set.....

[l ! l Dutchman]

Hi all,

A quote from Ross (from another topic):
"The main problem we had this season was the availability of players. Most were working, on holiday, girl trouble and other stuff."

We actually had to invite Coke and Joka to join ViRuS cause we didnt have enough players in our cb team (we were down to 2 players!)

Another reason why we didnt cb for like 3-4 weeks was the cheating that was discovered (FSNV and some other stuff).
We were very close to leaving the BattleLeague.

Another reason why we didnt cb is that we couldn't find many top clans to cb us (apart from BT and Tribe). We asked [one] and +MOD+ a 100 times and we got a 100 reasons why they couldn't cb us.

If you read our replies on other topics concerning tactical use of the point system, and if you look at last season (how much we played then) you will realize that we are not abusing the point system.

See you guys in the finals!

Dutchman / ViRuS

[Saberian 3000]

 Ya see Dutchman,

    these are the excuses that I so hate to hear, because it is total bullshit.  The fact is that Within the last 3 months we have asked virus 5 times for CB.  All were refused until the last 2 weeks for one reason or another.  either way, they did what everyone bitches about in the fact that they waited till the last 2 weeks to start cbing.  Think about it, in 3 months they do 4 cb's.  In a week and a half they do 11.  Over double of what they did all freaking season.  Speaks for itself.  
    We refused you guys in the first place because of all the times you refused us in the past.  It blows me away that you say that you asked us 100 times.  If ya did it was within 2-3 days and that is why I got pissed at you and told you guys to fucking chill out.  And we finally cbed you guys cause you guys were talking shit about us being afraid to cb you.  so we did and we won, but that is not the issue.  I just think it's disgusting that you guys get to be in the finals after throughout the season not showing any type of appearance, then all of the sudden within the last two weeks, ya'll got you're lives sorted out and all literally show up to get 11 cb's done in 2 days.  Yeah, it's funny how you guys all show up in the end to take advantage of the points system for ure benefit.  And it's just amazing it happened to be that all of u guys got ure lives straightened around enough to cb 11 games in 2 days when you're record for the season of doing so was 1 a day at the most.  And that was only 4 days out of 90.  Nice.  So keep telling ure mis-information Dutchman.

[BTs_Nova]

im sure [a] would be in the finals too, if mole wouldnt have cheated and so the clan lost all his points.....

i mentioned this to eight, or some other guys in BTs_ a few weeks ago.....

BTs cbed a lot!!!!! we cb "all the time"....57 games this season!

we cbed DFA 4 times within the first weeks......
we cbed a lot to get points!!!! but u dont get many points if u and your opponent has only 10-30points.....

when i saw how easy clans can get points, i really asked myself: why the hell am i cbed all night long?!?
why do i play from 11pm-5am ?!? why?!? i only have to wait.......playing around....and then cbing DFA in the last week for example, to get up to 60points if i start with 10.....

we cbed them 4 times when they had 10-30points.....so we got about 40 at all, for all 4 cbs.....if we cbed them 3 days ago we would have got 40-60 points (depends on our rank, i dont really know how the point system works)!!!!!

cbing in the beginning and during the whole season seems to be bullshit!!!
just wait......sit back.....wait until (sry guys this sounds uppity, so dont take it serious) even the loser clans got 100 and more points so we can get up to 60points......

i think ill wait next season.....and i bet the rest bts crew does it too, coz its much easier to cb the last 2weeks instead of cbin 90days.....

maybe we should get some new rules....

what about this!?!?
1) u can cb every clan, no matter what his rank is, until the to be challenged clan has more than 50points.....
2) if u wanna cb a clan with more than 50points, then he can be at maximum 2 ranks obove u.....for example:

c| 302 points, rank 2.....they can challenge every single clan.....no matter if the other clan has 10 or 10000 points.....
[V] 216 points, rank 4......they can cb every clan below them, and the rank 3 and 2 clan ( |n| + c| )
[a] 10 points, rank 28.....they can cb every clan up to rank 16..hell has 50 points, so they are allowed to challenge them....if hell would have 51 points, a can cb until rank 17....
[eur] 78 points, rank 12.......they can cb every clan between rank 46 up to 10.....

maybe this system is not perfect....but i think a rule/system like this would prevent these "sit and wait and cb withing the last week" issues.....

think of it, and maybe give me a small feedback

sry for my bad english  :-/

[Mr. Lothario]

     The Battle League system is broken. This has been known for a long time now, and has been discussed interminably in the past, to no resolution. A better system would be welcomed by pretty much everybody, but there seems to be no way to create a fair system in a tiny, underpopulated league like ours.

[BTs_eight]

Nova let me ask you this... If we would of waited till the final weeks before cbing... you think alot of the top point clans would cb us? Yes everyone on this post says they cb'd us during the season.... But how many of those top 6 (before it was DFA) in the last week denied us for a cb?

So now look at how many cbs we got at the end with only turning away one clan (MP). We would of been shit out luck for points... I personally wanted BTs to be a CB machine...

Our job was accomplished during the season... 57 cbs total...

Now most of those cbs i can personally say were loads of fun!
This is why we cb'd this much.....

Shame on anyone that did play the ladder system... I'm not a big virus supporter but I did know that they was going to take it easy this season....

They have asked me for cbs everytime they had the guys on...

I don't like the fact that you guys made it in at the end when other clans did do there homework during the season...
But in the end, before finals... That's when you have to stay on your toes.... and Virus did put in the manhours when it counted most.


I (of all people) Salute you guys...

Good luck in the finals..

[l ! l Ross]

Thnx 8

I think thats a pritty fair comment of all sides.

Ross / ViRuS

[l ! l Dutchman]

Of all people Eight knows excactly what is going on ;-)

But especially for +MOD+ Saberian I'll explain this one more time:
When you win the BattleLeague (like we did last season) it's tough to find opponents the next season. Lot's of clans (including some of the better) just don't wanna cb you. I heared many excuses:

- "we are not ready yet to cb ViRuS"
- "sorry, you guys are too good"
- "sorry, we need the points"
- or people actually leave GameRanger when you ask them (this really happens!)

This offcourse does not include the clans who wanted to cb us almost anytime like Tribe, EUR, BT, |c and some of the newer clans. I salute to them. Hell,  they even found out a way to beat us ;-)

So plz mr Saberian concentrate on the finals instead of accusing us of playing the pointsystem while you don't know much about the situation ViRuS was in.

Thank you
Dutchman / ViRuS

[*DAMN Mauti]

It's so fun how at the end of each season it is the same over and over. Last season you complained that if you cb the whole season long you can get away by playing masses of cbs! Now I have changed the system so that it is open until the end of a season and I also mentioned this at the start of the season and I get the complain that you can't get away by playing masses of cbs! That's ridiculous, think about it.

First I have to explain that Virus didn't use a tactical advantage: they didn't wait for you to make more points so they can gain more points at the end. I have changed the matchlist so you can see how many points you earned!
10points mean that you have beaten a much weaker clan, 15 - 25 that you have beaten an equal ranked clan, and 40 - 60 that you have beaten a much higher ranked clan.

Back to Virus: first Tactical advantage means that you would wait for the other clans to make many points and than cbing very less to move up quickly! Virus played all in all 20cbs with a top win percentage and beating clans like BTs, Tribe, DFA and MP. They made their basic points(top 12rank) at the start of the season. But looking at their last cbs they played all the weaker clans like almost all of the top 10clans did to gain points and only because they do it in the end it is wrong. Only because you can't feel secure until the last second!?

I probably could understand you better if the played 0cbs and then in the last 6 days they beat all top 6 clans once and are at a top position and even then I would have to say didn't they earn it!? They showed that they can win against each top clan at the moment so why shouldn't they be at the same rank with them!?

I personally think that simply most of you didn't understand how the system is supposed to work: it is designed that you always try to play against higher or at least equal(if you are a top clan) ranked clans. Then you gain more points. But looking at the stats most of you tried to beat the weak clans over and over and then wonder if they don't have enough points to be at the top. 4 won cbs against blr = same points as one win against top6-top4 ranked clans. Of course a top ranked clan has much less clans to choose from that are better but why should it be easy to stay at top? Last but not least the system is a dynamical one.

However I'm tired to explain that again and again since you will be unsatisfied no matter what. I also don't understand you Lothario - MP didn't cb too much and you tried the same as Virus, cbing very much at the very last second but somehow Virus managed it to do better than MP. If you would have beaten Virus in your last game you would probably be in the top6 but you didn't. I know you tried to organize cbs in the last 3 - 4 weeks and none of those cbs were done. This would disturb me much more than Virus.

However Jeb sent me some good ideas about improvements and few of them will make it to season5 in a modified version. One of the many things that will come with season5 is a autoscripted challenge modus that will force you to play against this or that clan next.

That's it for now,

Mauti

[Toxic::Joka]

**starts writing a ballad of mauti**
 


Speaking for myself (and most likely the whole clan)
this was NOT intentional planned to wait til end of season so we could pick all the points from the top clans.
 
I dont think we cb'ed a single higher ranked clan during the last days.

I only gained permission to cb like 2 weeks ago (since im new to Virus)

This is just the way it went down.. . are we not allowed to try to get in the finals?

[|MP|Buccaneer]

Mauti, let me make two things perfectly clear so this doesn't start flaming.  First, I think you try very very hard to make this league work and work fair.  Second, my opinions here have nothing to do with what place MP ended up in.  We didn't CB often enough and that's the end of that story.  The skill point and playoff system leaves me a bit cold, because there just isn't a great way to do it (in my opinion).

I'm even going to use RS as the example, so this doesn't sound jaded at all.  

I look at the top of the RS ladder.  I see Ace and mi.  Both clans have 6 CB's.  Ace, in first place, is 5-1, having beaten the 9th place team 4 times, beating the 5th place team once, and losing to the 3rd place team.

I see mi having won all 6, beating the 9th place team once, the 5th place team 3 times, and the 10th place team once.  

I see Dr's having a 3-0 record and being in 3rd place having beaten Ace and the 5th place team twice.

Now, I see them at:

Ace - 110
mi  -  99
Dr  -  93

Ok, pretty close.  I have a little problem with Ace being in front of mi, having CB'd worse teams (as it shakes out) and having a loss.  I don't have a problem with Dr's being in the hunt, but they are closer to mi then mi is to Ace, which doesn't seem right.

This is not a big deal, but it's about to get compounded by the playoff points.  In an effort to close the gap, and give clans a chance to catch up, you handicapped clans that the case could be made, deserved to be in first.  Instead of having to make up 11 points, mi now has to make up 40.  Instead of having to make up 17, Dr's have to make up 60.  You could say, give Ace the advantage for winning the regular season, but you are kinda punishing mi based only upon when they chose to CB the clans that Ace CB'd.  

Now, I'm not trying to stir up trouble on the RS ladder, not at all.  I'm just trying to show an example on why, when Jeb, Loth, I and others discussed it, we didn't like the skill point system.  And this was long ago.  This is where we came up with the whole "purse points" based on rank, not score system that Jeb sent to you.  

And Joka, I have no problem with Virus getting into the finals in the last few days either.  Everyone in the league knew this could happen.  We were even denied a few CB's in the last week just because some of the top ranked clans didn't want us to do it.  So, as the clan that got knocked out of the finals in season 3 in the last hour of the league, I can say nobody should be bothered by it.  We all knew it could happen.  

[Mr. Lothario]

     My apologies if that came off as whining about problems because we didn't make the finals. That wasn't my intent at all. I was just stating a fact that I and many others have noticed.

[*DAMN Mauti]

In response to Bucc: About the finals:

the skillpoints there don't matter much since the finals are brackets: 1st vs 6th,..., so mi doesn't have to catch up 40points. The points are only there to select the 2nd round(if the finals would have 8 clans they would be ranked by wins and losses only) The 1st place gets 100 so in case of one loss they still can make it into the 2nd round with a bit luck. There are 3 winners that proceed 100% into the 2nd round. And one of the 3 losers determined by points gets a 2nd chance.

In response to Loth: no problem man, I know that the system has some flaws but I also know that the only complete fair system would be a complete sheduled season like you can find it in the NBA, football and soccer leagues... but we aren't a professional league were you earn money and can play the whole day a computer game. However the BL improves each season: this season we have eliminated that you can get away by masses of cbs - although the relation between static points and dynamical ones still needs some fine tuning. Well nevertheless I think it was a very exciting main season and I'm looking forward to the finals.

Bye,

Mauti

[+MOD+26ralee]

In response to Dutchman,......Just a reminder that +MOD+ did Cb with you during the last week of the regular season, so why did you not include us in the list of "clans that CBed us a found a way to win"....there is plenty more i could say on this issue, not implying i have lots of bad things to say, just this is a wide open issue that could be discussed til finals were over yet no resolution would be meet..............

So i chose to say CONGRATS.. TO ALL THOSE who participated in the battle league, and furthermore, good gaming to those who are proceeding to the finals!