democratic hopefuls 2004

[|MP|Buccaneer]

Also, what's wrong with Al Sharpton? I know the Dems think he's a disaster and I know there is a lot of popular sentiment against him, but I'd like to know why people dislike him so.

I don't have the energy to get into another heated debate, so I'll just give a very short version.  He's a racist jackass.  Just as bad as any other racist jackass.  And anyone that uses the defense (that he himself has used) that a black man can't be racist doesn't understand the word.  He's also a dumbass in my opinion.

I have nothing against a black man in office either.  I think Powell would do a good job (and for you Democrats, remember that it was a long close race as to which party he was going to join.  Both wanted him).  I don't think it matters at all what race the person in office is.  But we don't need the narrow mind of a racist in there.

[PY]

They're obviously making the comments because Giuliani would run on the Republican ticket. What I think is funny is when you ask a democrat why they hate the rupblican party....their answer is "Because they're stupid."

[~FrEaK~ H?llenhund?]

I hate it when morons qoute some random polling number like "%60 of all americans approve of Bush!!"
That is bullshit. I am a voting American and I dont remember anyone asking my fucking opinion for that poll. Don't forget that Bush did not receive a majority of the popular vote{meaning that most Americans actually wanted Gore to be president}, and the only reason that he won was because of some major voting clusterfuck in Florida. Kinda curious considering how his brother is governer...  I HATE REPUBLICANS AND I HOPE THEY ALL DIE ARRRGHHHHH!!!
Well, not really but you get the point. This country is incredibly screwed up. I really just hate ignorant people who talk out of their assholes....  you people elect idiots like george bush  to office and then wonder why euros bash the hell out of our country and hate us....

BTW i live in Illinois where carol moseley braun was senator and she did a horrible job. She is also kind of stupid lol. I think it would be cool to have a black or woman president but it definately won't be her

[PsYcO aSsAsSiN]

If anything, Bush should have won Florida by a wider margin, but the exit poll watchers had declared Gore the winner hours before the polls closed - probably leaving the Republican heavy western part of the state to stay home. Anyway, this doesn't matter whatsoever because after the elections, numerous independent companies/media outlets performed their own recount and showed that Bush actually won by a wider margin than was officially recorded....also don't blame the Butterfly ballots as a Republican conspiracy because a Democrat made them.

Let's not get back into this debate, because it can be twisted either way - but most people agree with what I just wrote above.

If any minority is going to be President in the near future, it is Colin Powell - but his wife doesn't want him to run fearing some racist will assassinate him.

As for the polling number...it isn't random. He told where it came from (NBC probably partnered with another independent firm) and they took a fair sampling that is scientifically correct down to probably +/- 4%. But then again, his timeframe is a little strange considering he quoted August's numbers.

[KoS PY.nq.ict]

I can only imagine where you get your information from Hollenhund. You like games dont you? Well it looks to me like one of the dems wants to bring them down. The beloved jew...Lieberman. See? I could say the same stuff you say about the Republican party. Its all bullshit. Vote for who you think is the best candidate (if you're old enough...and i know you're not), and see what happens. That's all you can do.

Sin...good stuff.

[The Ghost of Bondo]

Approval rating has no real bearing on voting.  There is a huge difference between the question do you approve or disapprove of Bush and would you vote for Bush.  Many people who would prefer another candidate may still say they approve of the job Bush has done.  On the other hand, I doubt someone who disapproves of Bush would vote for him.  So approval rating is almost assuredly higher than the % of voters that would vote for him.  So his having a 60% approval rating means that he probably is 50-50 on being voted for.  This of course depends on who else runs.

Py, if you base your view of democrats on a few other dumb people then you are a dumbass.  I don't say the Republican party is stupid (mind you I'm not a democrat but the point still is valid).  I would say I don't like the Republican party because they in general support cutting social programs, increase defense spending, have more Christian influenced motives, etc.  There are many policy issues that I choose as why I don't like the Republican party.  It isn't just because they are stupid.

As for Gulliani.  I personally think he is a good guy.  Would I vote for him as a Republican...probably not, but I'd rather have him than Bush.  I think discrediting Bush's rise in popularity because of 9/11 is more valid than discrediting Gulliani's.

[kami]

What I really hate about American politics is that religion is always fucking there. I can't stand that crap.

[tasty]

you make me sick how you can take ANYthing a republican does, and twist it to make it look evil - whether or not in reality it was/n't good.  what especially made me sick was tasty's comment on guiliani, which only further proves my point. you guys are dumb.

<sarcasm>Yes, all democrats would do is call a republican dumb</sarcasm>. I haven't seen anyone resort to calling someone else "dumb" without evidence why until this person's post. And he's a Republican saying that Democrats are dumb. And he doesn't give a damn bit of evidence to back up why Guiliani is good. Not to mention I didn't smear him, I just asked why everybody thinks he's so great. Which no one has answered.
 I would just like to point out the flagrant hypocrisy. Also, when have I twisted things republicans have said to make them look evil? I'd like to see you find an example of that. I don't even see how that's relevant either, since this topic was about democratic hopefuls and not things republicans ahve said.

sin, i will make a post later about why i think the Florida elections were wrong. right now i'm just too fucking hungover.

[~FrEaK~ H?llenhund?]

Vote for who you think is the best candidate (if you're old enough...and i know you're not)

Hmm... I dont think I've ever met you...But I can assure you that I was old enough to vote in the last presidential election. I think my message might have come across the wrong way. I'm mostly just angry about Bush's policies and actions than republicans in general. I am actually a non partisan voter and have voted in the past for a few republicans (simply because they were the best candidate ). Assassin you are probably right when you say that Bush would have won FlA. I'm more pissed at the American electoral system than anything else. I think we can all agree that the last election was total bullshit and the system needs drastic reform. And PY im not sure exactly what you were talking about with that whole Liebermann thing...

Btw I think Powell would make an awesome president.

[|MP|Buccaneer]

I think we can all agree that the last election was total bullshit and the system needs drastic reform.

Reform I'll agree with, and have.  But I don't agree it was bullshit.  I've said it before, I don't understand why it's bullshit now, but everyone of us learned that it could happen back in school.  Every class I ever had that talked about elections brought up the electoral college and how, because of it, we could have a president that didn't win the popular vote.  The math always told us how easy it is, and it didn't even need to be this close.  Gore could won the states he won with landslides, and it wouldn't have changed the outcome.

So, the ecectoral college has sucked for a long time.  But I see no reason for being outraged just because it finally failed like we knew it would.  It's like being outraged at a tire that goes flat in the middle of a trip, even though you saw the nail in it long before, many times, but didn't bother to fix it when you had the chance.  

[EUR_Zaitsev]

I agree its stupid and yes a black can be racist against whites but honestly i dunno much on the topic wheres the proof hes racist>?

[tasty]

I think there is much confusion on the definitions of these words. The definition of racism in America that we were given in my race relations class is:

"a system of advantage based on race that benefits those defined as white"

The definition of racism relates specifically to the oppression of a minority race by the most powerful race. Black people can discriminate racially against white people, but they cannot be racist against them because racism is both an institutionalized system and an attitude. This does not mean that black people are justified in exhibiting racial prejudice against white people. It simply means that if they did, it wouldn't be racism.

[EUR_Zaitsev]

rac?ism ?? (?P?)??Pronunciation Key??(rszm)
n.

1.   The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others


I most definetly think a black can be racist against whites. In the world there are more blacks then whites anyway.

[kami]

A black man can certainly be a racist, it can even go so far as to a black man being a racist against his own kind like here in Sweden (a black nazi killed a cop here a year ago).

Btw, I'm not so sure there are more black than white people in the world.

[tasty]

Zaitsev, a black person can be racist against a white person, just not in America. Perhaps if you went to Uganda you would experience racism against you.

[|MP|Buccaneer]

Perhaps if he came to Detroit or Chicago he could experience it to.  (considering that the whites are quite the minority in Detroit).  According to your definition, even in Uganda they can't be racist against him, since they aren't white.

Tasty, racism has nothing to do with who's in power.  It just has to do with basing arguments on race.  So I disagree completely with your race relations class, and instead chose to use the dictionary to define it.  You class chose to redefine it.  Tell us what it would be called when a black man or native american discriminate racially against whites?  What's the right term according to your class?  And tell us who're the racists in South Africa (whites, blacks or both)?

So, while you may have 'defined for the purpose of this class' the word racism, that class doesn't define it for the rest of America.

And Zaitsev, Sharpton has a show on television here locally.  I don't know if you can catch it where you live.  But you should watch it if you get the chance.  The word oppertunist doesn't do him justice.  Look how many film crews he had follow him to the spot of the shootings in Ohio.  Listen to what he said when he visited Africa last year.  I'm not going to give you the soundbites, I'll just point you were to look for examples to make up your own mind.