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« Reply #40 on: March 27, 2004, 01:11:50 am »

Nope, launch doesn't work either.....at launch the Space Shuttle is basically just a missile....it is not using lift to achieve flight, only thrust.  The wings are not being used to provide any lift at launch.  You can't win here....you are an automotive engineer.....and I was an aerospace science major before I began my quest for history (plus being a pilot myself helps).  lol


Three reasons why you are wrong here GS.

1) You wrongly assumed I am, or ever was, an Automotive Engineer, and think that it has anything at all to do with my knowledge on the subject.

2) The X-15 is more of a missile than the Space Shuttle.  It didn't leave the ground under it's own power, it was launched from another plane.  It used rocket engines that only lasted for 90 seconds.  A minute and a half.  So it's lift wasn't used either. The rest of the flight was unpowered.  Even the Shuttle had more control than that.  The lift in the X-15's wings was only used in unpowered landings, same as the Shuttle.

BTW, the X-15 was also used outside the earths atmosphere in many experiments.  So it too, was technically a space craft.

3) There is nothing, in the context of your question, that would eliminate the Shuttle and not the X-15 as well.  Don't forget that the X-15 was one of the things used to help design the shuttle.  They share many attributes.  

Time to just admit that you didn't think of the Shuttle when asking the question GS.
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« Reply #41 on: March 27, 2004, 01:15:54 am »

Oh, and I forgot, yeah, the Crown Vic has more lives than my neighbors cat.  It's been cancelled at least 5 times that I know of, only to be brought back due to decent sales numbers and crys from the salesman that they need the only full sized car still.

I know it will still be in fleets longer than the Aerostar has been though.
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« Reply #42 on: March 27, 2004, 02:06:06 am »

Nope, launch doesn't work either.....at launch the Space Shuttle is basically just a missile....it is not using lift to achieve flight, only thrust.  The wings are not being used to provide any lift at launch.  You can't win here....you are an automotive engineer.....and I was an aerospace science major before I began my quest for history (plus being a pilot myself helps).  lol
Three reasons why you are wrong here GS.
1) You wrongly assumed I am, or ever was, an Automotive Engineer, and think that it has anything at all to do with my knowledge on the subject.
2) The X-15 is more of a missile than the Space Shuttle.  It didn't leave the ground under it's own power, it was launched from another plane.  It used rocket engines that only lasted for 90 seconds.  A minute and a half.  So it's lift wasn't used either. The rest of the flight was unpowered.  Even the Shuttle had more control than that.  The lift in the X-15's wings was only used in unpowered landings, same as the Shuttle.
BTW, the X-15 was also used outside the earths atmosphere in many experiments.  So it too, was technically a space craft.
3) There is nothing, in the context of your question, that would eliminate the Shuttle and not the X-15 as well.  Don't forget that the X-15 was one of the things used to help design the shuttle.  They share many attributes.  
Time to just admit that you didn't think of the Shuttle when asking the question GS.

1.  Nah, I was just joking around with you about the Automotive Engineer part.....

2.  You are thinking of lift as the thing that got the X-15 into the air.....that isn't what I'm talking about when I say lift.  Lift is the effect of air traveling faster over the top of an airfoil than it does under it.  This effect is what creates lift.  While the X-15 was under powered flight, it's wings were providing lift....the tremendous amount of thrust from it's rocket engines simply made large wings unneeded, which is why they look so small.  So, as far as a man-mad, man-carrying object that was actually FLYING in the earth's atmosphere (under all 4 conditions of flight), the X-15 was the fastest.  And you are correct, the X-15 was used just outside what is technically considered the earth's atmosphere (those pilots were in fact awarded astronaut wings), but it was still the fastest aircraft that flew INSIDE the earth's atmosphere.

3.  The biggest difference between why the X-15 gets the record and the Space Shuttle doesn't, is that the X-15 was actually POWERED when it made it's record speed.

But, just in case you don't believe me (the aviation knowledge master of the universe), here is some proof for you from the Guiness Book of World Records:

Fastest Winged Aircraft
On October 3, 1967, an X-15A-2 piloted by USAF Major William J. "Pete" Knight, was released from its B-52 mother plane at 10,668 m. (35,000 ft.) above the Mojave Desert where it achieved an absolute speed record of Mach 6.7.

And there you have it Smiley

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« Reply #43 on: March 28, 2004, 01:20:01 am »

My post from last night seems to have been lost in some sort of forum restore, so I'm going to give this a much quicker answer than last time.

But be it known GS, that it was a pretty pwn I did last night.  This one will just not be so pretty.

First, the little pwn.  I know all about lift.  But, you seemed to have missed a little.  The reason the wings on the X-15 are so stubby has nothing at all to do with how much thrust was involved.  Since the lift provided at that time actually hurt the flight profile of it.  No, the size of the airfoils was determined by the weight of the aircraft when out of fuel.  Since the only time lift was needed was in it's un-powered landings.  Don't believe me?  You should check out the X-15's web site.  The wing size on the X-15 is just what is needed to bring the empty (of fuel) plane to a safe landing.

There is a major flaw in your logic.  You don't seem to know enough about the X-15.  Since the X-15 was pretty much your experimental prototype for many of the designs of the Shuttle, let's go over the flight profiles of each.

Both need assistance to get off the ground.  A big ass bomber or a couple solid rocket boosters.

During launch (and they are both launced) both aircrafts experience lift from their wings that has to be compensated for to keep them on course.  In the case of the X-15, it's a constant pushing of the nose down to keep it from looping back.  In the case of the shuttle, it's just putting that in the course calculations.

The only real difference between the two aircraft on launch is one is like a 747 on autopilot, while the other is more manual.  But just because the 747 is on auto pilot, doesnt mean it's not flying, so we can't hold that against the Shuttles.

Both are meant to operate in atmosphere and out of it.  

Both have had missions outside the atmosphere.

If there is one closer to a missile, it would have to be the X-15, since it's actually shot from an airplane itself, and accelerates quicker than the shuttle (so if the shuttle doesn't use it's lift, there's no way the X-15 did) Smiley

In both cases, powered flight (thrust) is a very short percentage of the mission.  The thrust of an X-15 lasted only about a minute and a half.  8 times shorter or so than the Shuttle, which has that big drop tank of fuel.

Both are rocket powered.

Both make un-powered landings.

BTW, when the Shuttle is in Launch, it is also powered, and is moving faster, under that same power than the X-15 did, which blows away your point number 3.

Last, but not least, Guiness.  Pffft.  Guiness wouldn't change the record unless challenged to.  That could be as simple as nobody at NASA asking them to.  Not proof at all to me.


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« Reply #44 on: March 28, 2004, 04:06:44 am »

And this was my reply from last night that was lost:

Last, but not least, Guiness.  Pffft.  Guiness wouldn't change the record unless challenged to.  That could be as simple as nobody at NASA asking them to.  Not proof at all to me.

lol....So Noted.
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« Reply #45 on: March 28, 2004, 07:41:21 am »

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You can't win here....you are an automotive engineer.....and I was an aerospace science major before I began my quest for history (plus being a pilot myself helps).
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« Reply #46 on: March 28, 2004, 10:57:04 am »

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040328/D81J3DA80.html

Thought this might be topical...


ps. Typhy could kick your ass any day of the week GS, even with his broken arm.
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« Reply #47 on: March 28, 2004, 06:09:48 pm »


Could have made the record I was looking for had it been manned.

ps. Typhy could kick your ass any day of the week GS, even with his broken arm.

Please.  Don't even insult me like that.  I've Forgotten more about hand-to-hand combat than Typhy will ever know.

And besides that....

"Silent Souls Leave .308 Holes."
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« Reply #48 on: March 28, 2004, 06:15:53 pm »

I can't believe this thread has lived this long! NJ guys
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« Reply #49 on: March 28, 2004, 07:13:31 pm »

Could have made the record I was looking for had it been manned.


I'm thinking that it was closer to what you are thinking, since it's a jet, not a rocket.  The X-15 and Shuttle are both rockets.
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