*DAMN R6 Forum

Ok Ladies and Gentlemen...
I Earlier had to try working something out with BFG... He told me to stop here.
I would like to represent Clans with lower activity, clans with few players and Euro clans...
This new cb System is quite cool to me but i would like to point out that's it's not very easy for some clans to manage do all the cb requested, so i was thinking that you admins should think about a fifth and last cb weekend where all the clan which didn't have time or got unable to do all *non-schedule* cb's could do them all.
That might sound a little bit dumb but here is what i think:
With this weekend all clans should be able to do the cb's they got unable to do.
What would it bring apart from giving another opportunity for clans which didn't got able to make them all ?
Well , With a week long time you can be sure that all clans should pop on and do the cb's because clans did well playing the schedules cb's  ( almost everyone was there )
Moreover it would add the possibility of having more suspens because no victory could be granted until this last week of cb got complete...

Well yes this is a last change for lil clans with a lower activity and i think we need this.
Now I hope this is gonna be under discusion with admins...
The fact that you SET a weekend of 2 days for all the cb's for clans to do the cb they got unabled to do during those *nonscheduled* weeks would get all the clans able to have a second chance...



I would just like to make a little come back on the situation :
-Po did 8 cb's out of the 8 they were asked to.. good game to them, kicking ass activity...
-We (7in) did 6/8 cb's ... As a euro clan, we did our best...
-cO. did 5/8
-* did 4/6
-.s: did 4/6
-[a] did 4/4
-[TRIBE] did 3/4
--W- did 4/6
-|3ID| did 3/6
-{E} did 3/4
--sP- did 4/8 ... oO
-c| did 0/8 ( even worst )
-Core. did 0/4 ...
( I have to wait for some cb's to be updated to fix this list )
I was wondering: is there a ratio which make you fired from the season if you don't cb enough ?



Most of the teams got unable to do all the cb's ( 11/13 )
I for example asked -W- once when we and them had a 3 players team but they refused because of GR issues ( and they were quite right because lag was awfull yesterday night )

so clay if i follow u : onl core and c have problems to cb

its not a big issue, all the rest did there job !!! and making a 5th week will finaly and up in a final b4 the final
personaly i like to cb for fun and if i start a competition on some rules i end it on same rules

gl hf

Ghost, no offence but i care more about the united voice of the [TRIBE] team than the voice of only one member... Before posting, i think you should have a talk with peoples in your clan who played all the cb's and who cares about ( Bigbang and Narsil for example )

I feel the old way of cbing was best.. - No Schedule, clans simply were online and asked each other.. I agree with Clay, because as you can all see - sP - is only still existing by the inch.. We cant run a schedule.

- Asylum -

I mostly disagree with you Asy, I think that this new way of cbing this season is just cool
You have to be there like one day every two weeks to do the cbs...
Which went a big matter was the non-schedule part for most of the clan because they just didn't want to do it..
This is just a big disadvantage for clans who wanted to do it but go refused most of the time...

Let's just get ride of the non-scheduled CBs have to be played before the scheduled ones take place rule and we'll be good.

Yeah, by saying that unscheduled need to be played the week prior to the scheduled matches kind of makes them scheduled, doesn't it?

I totaly agree on that weed.
anyway, i dunno if bl staff pay alot attention to this, according to the comments, they don't seem too.

They tend to lurk in the shadows, read the threads but not often post for a little while until people have put what they want to say down on paper ;)

were you wanting some feedback? :)

It's just too restrictive. Having caps on how many times u can play a clan is fine, but scheduling when u can play em on top of that sux. Scheduling clan battles is fine to allign times with the Euros and Ausies and such, but it has to be coupled by complete freedom to schedule your 2 clan battles at any time you want without getting DBL approval, it just gets too confusing and hurlded that way.

Make Saturdays cb days and have a schedule, but if people want to cb before the scheduled day or time and get both over with let them. Also I think only being able to allow clans to battle in the one week they are scheduled should be changed to any time during season your unscheduled can be played.

RoeM

Not really, i was soo sure that some off you guys would pop up with such a comment tho...
Well, just keep us informed about the possible changes, and the main discussion...

They are probably all exhausted from the mammoth session last night! ;0)

There appears to be very mixed feelings about the schedules - some people like knowing that they are definitely going to get a game at a set time - others find the lack of flexibility frustrating and inconvenient... its hard to please both parties.

There are a few possible mixes though - for instance giving two clans a week to cb (whenever they like) but having a set time at the end of the week that the cb must be played by (or played at)

Another option is what you suggested clay - a 'pickup weekend' where all you can desperatly try and nail down any cb's you have missed before.

However whatever system does develop it needs to be one that doesn't leave 'one clan standing' - i know from experience how frustrating it is to drop everything, turn up for a cb only to find your opponents didn't do the same. Its also unfair on the DBL to sign up for ladders and ask to be included if you are then not going to compete or simply ignore the set up that has been arranged. That said i also know to well that its really tough for clans say if one team is from the West Coast of the US and another is from Eastern Europe.

It would be really good to have some more feedback from other clans and players on how they feel the system went - what worked and didn't work and why.

I think having a "makeup CB week" at the end of the season defeats the purpose of having the schedule, clans could just hold off on all their CB's until the final week of the season and then start CB-ing like crazy, while every clan that followed the CB schedule gets screwed over.

My solution is: Ditch the season and hold a tournament at the end of every month for every clan that wants to participate.  I'm sick of watching clans that put their heart and time into this league and not even qualify for the tournament.  Whats the point in playing for all these regular season points when anybody could beat you when the finals come at the end of the season?   Its a waste of everyones time.  Whats the point of the regular season?  To determine who can beat and bully every other clan around on a consistent basis?  Who cares if your clan can CB like crazy and kick ass, I think people only care about that one important CB they get when tournament time comes.  Why not just hold a DAMN* tournament once a month and then clans can spend the weeks before practicing for it.[/color] ;D

I agree totally.  Either Punisher's tournament or my CB limit idea are better than the current syste,m.  I have an even more novel idea:  Why not let the people who play the game vote on the way it should be administered?  this is probably the argument Macuber had when seeing  who was appointed...if you don't play the game how do you know what's best?

Gotto say the thought of monthly tournys gets me excited just thinking about it. March madness in GhR every month. Yeah Baby! ::sniper::

It's like this - we face the same problems season after season that some clans avoid and boycott certain clans. Those certain clans just happen to be the top clans - clans that have already left the league because they're fed up with being turned down all the time. What's the point in joining a ladder, when your just gonna pick and choose who you cb? then avoid the top clans and battle the ones you think you can beat? Not only that, but then you have the little issue of activity and how some clans are more active than others. This is why this system came about. We wanted to give the community a more even and fair competition.

This setup is designed to 1. Give players/clans more reason to come on gameranger, which then increases overall activity 2. Get clans back into the habbit of clan battling. (the last 2 seasons there were very few clan battles and with signs of it decreasing more and more) 3. allows the scoring system to be fair 4. You play ALL clans on the ladder (how many times during a season do you miss out playing 3-5 clans on the ladder?) 5. Allow inactive clans time to organize their members to be online for cbs.


We want this competition to be as fair as possible. If a "BONUS" week gives clans this opportunity, then how is that screwing the other clans over? The non-schedule cbs are there to get clans into the habit of approaching clans and trying to work out times to cb on their own. I've observed how hard it is for clans in different timezones to arrange these times and it could be teething problems with this setup or clans simply not taking it seriously enough. IF we did have this bonus week, it would more than likely be limited to 1 cb vs each clan missed.


It will only be the top 4 clans in the finals, so the clans that HAVE put their heart and time into winning will be the ones in the finals. Those that don't qualify would have had equal opportunity and if they don't make it, well that's competition right? You either win or you lose, but at the end of the day we are trying to find the best of the ladder.


Erm, anybody could beat you in the finals? well there will be only 4 at the top. 4 of the best or rather 4 who may have played better than the others. In competition everywhere why do you think they have semi-finals and finals? To allow the top clans to battle it out in a more serious and last attempt at the tougher clans. I don't see that as a waste of time for the other clans who had their chance and if they failed, well once again that's competition.


Roem, you can cb before the scheduled weekend. Thats what I've been saying all along. That's whats mentioned in the rules, in the FAQ and in the emails I sent to the leaders. If you complete both cbs before the scheduled day (in that same week though) then you don't need to turn up to that scheduled cb in the weekend.


Asylum, the last 2 seasons saw a decrease in activity on gr and clan battles. They weren't simply coming online or asking eachother as much as this league would like. There were a few clans making a good effort but it certainly wasn't a rounded compeition. People were saying this league is dead and making suggestions of hanging up our coats and devote our time to other stuff, but you know what? this league isn't dead and we proved that this week.

I think the main problem people are facing, is dealing with changes that make them have to think more seriously about this league and the competition. Well that's exactly what we said at the beginning of the season - Your clan has to be serious about cbing in this ladder....simple as that. There is the CQB ladder and other ladders to keep the less active clans happy. If you want to be on a "team" ladder, then learning to organize, plan and execute those plans into clan battling, is all apart of having a team on this ladder.

If we sat back and "let" clans do as they have done in the past, then we would be letting this league die. 

A monthly tournament for future seasons could be a possibility, but we're not going to simply ditch this setup....There are a lot of clans that like this setup for all the reasons I meantioned above and aside from a few hiccups this weekend, a lot of clans completed their cb's. Lets at least give this setup a shot, before we talk about ditching it.

This sadly gone quite offtopic from what i was trying to propose
My main point is that i would like my clan, and all the clan who wants it to see all the cb they had to play played...
I mean that we can no longer play the clan we missed, but the low activity tigah is pointing out is not really being helped if we no longer have the right to do the cb we did
For example, when i saw 3 -W- guys yesterday, I WANTED to cb, this could have been a cb more in the *DAMN league statistic, but infortunatly, a rule of the tournament just made me unable to cb this clan... Here the rules ( which i find great on the schedule cb system ) killed a will to be active..
Moreover, this is quite unfair for clans which did everything to get a cb, and who are not getting one..
How many time did i ask 3ID during the weeks before the cb's , and how many times did i got refuse : we even have an answerless post on their forum trying to schedule a cb ... I'm not asking to count them forfeit, no no, that would be lame.. I just want to cb all the time i get the possibility too and this restriction on non-schedule cb isn't helping me... I just want to play all the clans twice this season like it was supposed too

This would have been allowed clay, had your clan simply asked PRIOR to the weekend and if it had been scheduled between you and ~W~ for another time. The problem with wanting to do 2 cbs one after the other at the same time as your scheduled cb, was that we have a time schedule to adhere to. I don't know how many times I explained this but if you were having problems cb'ing certain clans, then you contact the admins. We would have tried to set up an appropriate time for both. A few clans managed to do this, and we got them the cb's they needed. We'll look into your idea clay.

Clay, just ask us...we realize we have a small clan and whenever we have 3+ online we wanna CB...

Yeah, even if it's just a pcb. We play for the fun of it.

I see 11 Clan teams on GHR Adv. I would have like to seen a VOTE by each Clan Leader on how and what we would have played. The once-a-month Tourney I believed would have passed by 7-4 if we had voted on this.
Also if the Clan Leaders would have had a say on who would have been elected to sit on GhR's Battle league, better maps and gameplay would made this month even better. Heck..the clans that have won monthly tourny's could have one BIG Super Tourny.

This system works and I appretiate all the thought and effort that was put into it.
With a small bit of effort to be here, ~Po~ got all 8 of their cbs done.
Being in a clan comes with a responsibility to come online and play.  Why be in a clan or even wear a tag if you dont even play? Why be in the league if you can't make time to be here to compete?  Even clans that don't normaly play ghr took time to CB us.  Don't come out and bitch about the league if you can't even come out and play.
This whole tournament was simple, we had a certain amount of clans to play in a set amount of time and we did it.
Clans that did not take it seriously missed out on the chance to earn points.
I'm glad you can't go back and play those clans you missed.
Maybe now people will take the next round a little more seriously, leading to more activity in the league.
Isn't that what we all want?

Has anyone considered what will happen when clans are mathematically elimanted from not even making the top 4 when there's still time left in the season?  Why would they even bother doing a CB when there's nothing good coming out of it for them.

They get time to spend having fun in clan battles and practicing new strategies for the next season, especially  when they have nothing to lose.

Totaly stupid, you don't have any reason to complain, just think about euro clans ? you want us out of the league cause we are euro ? great idea... but think twice before posting



Stupid again, having from 10 am to 2am at least 3 players connected didn't make my clan able to do all the cb's... How come you managed getting 2 cb's against 3ID, a clan which i asked more than 10 times too, even going to post on their forum, and only managed getting 1 cb ?
I don't think your activity helped you ... i'm more thinking about the luck you have to be on US timezone.

Yeah, but everytime I play with roem on my team I have to resist the urge o TK him :)

We are going offtopic again. To remind you, this was the actual topic:


It's not like we want whole system to be questioned again.  We just want you to reconsider this rule which was added to force clans to  activity. It doesnt work like it was supposed to do.


We are facing the same problems that we had to with the old system. It will be always hard for certain clans to cb, i.e.: an us west coast and an euro clan will hardly get a cb going if a schedule system doesnt force 'em to be on at the same time, there is like 8 hours time difference. However, I'm not saying that's impossible to organize cbs on our own, though we need more time. Euro vs US Clan CBs can only take place on weekends.
In our current system we have only 1 weekend between the weekends for scheduled cbs to get 2-4 cbs done. That's rather hard, nearly impossible for small or euro clans. We need simple and plain more time. As I mentioned previously, let's just get ride of this time limit for non-scheduled cbs rule and we'll be good.

No clan could get all cbs done expect po. What you do want to say?  We don't take enuf interest in this league? We all suck but po?
 If it was so easy, I wonder why only po managed it.

A) Nobody said anybody wants all euro clans out of the league.
B) Yes, there are more U.S. clans playing ghr... that's nobodies fault... and I'm sorry, but this may require you euro clans to go out of your way to cb under this system.


A) It's not luck that put him in a U.S. timezone.  More clans are playing ghr from U.S. timezones which makes it easier for us to cb eachother.  Once again, not our fault.
B) This sounds like an issue you have with 3ID, don't take this out on Po)|.


What the hell is up with people on these forums jumping to drastic conclusions... nobody said everybody sucks except Po)|... You guys could argue that Po)| only had to play U.S. clans in round one... but like everyone else, they too have to play the euro clans in later rounds.

This system is about as even as it can get, it's in the best interest of every clan to get the cbs done, whether it be U.S./Euro or U.S./U.S.... For example, if cO. skipped out on playing [TRIBE] and 7in- we pretty much just screwed ourselves out of finals.  If you put the effort in, you can get it done.

Just to let you guys know......Po managed it because they came to me. Which is what I asked clans to do. Not come to me specifically, but to an admin and tell them you are struggling to get clans to cb. Po came to me and said "hey we can't  get clan A or clan B to cb us and we have 2 days left" So then I talked to these clans and asked them when they would be on and if they could get their clan on about at a specific time, then communicated this back to Po and they managed to get their cbs done in time. It really doesn't help to bring up problems after the fact, you have to let us know in advance. We are here to help you.

 ::lol:: CLAY!

I NEVER said I wanted Euro clans out of the league.
Now I understand by your irrelevant comments to my quotes, that there is obviously a language barrier here.  Perhaps you should leave reading to the literate.
As to your other problem;  Maybe clans cb ~Po~ and not your clan because we're not a bunch of little asshole kids.

PS. I thought twice about this before I posted it. Just for you, Clay!

We tryed everything and we had thought we would get it done in time. Honestly, I don’t think that we could have done any better with your support. With huge effort we got only 6 of 8 cbs to play. We had serveral talks with the clan leaders, we posted on their forums, we stood up pretty long every night just to catch someone to play. I'm not saying it's their fault at all. It's just the big time difference which makes it hard for both sides to work something out. Even if we would have brought our issuse to an admin earlier, you would
have not been able to help us. That's mostly the reason why we didnt bother to contact one of you.



Reading your post makes me wonder if you can even think, Hunter. Take a look at my signature! It fits you perfectly.

Mmmmh...



Oh, well, since when the "literate" speak like those lil "gangstah's" from "da supah downtown"....
Omg Hunter, leave it , and go back reading a bit, i bet you need it.
However, you are certainly not a *literate* , those people have things to say, way more clever.

Clay, your post lost all of its validity when you completely took Hunter's original post out of context.  Nobody said that euros should be kicked out of the league.  It would piss me off just as much taking my time to type up a post that actually has some content that follows the topic (as Hunter's original post) and then for you to take the whole post out of context.  Really, if you can't read or understand words in sentence form, you shouldn't be making such replies.

Can you guys bring yourselves back on topic and the issues in hand please, there is valid input and discussion and its a pity when it gets diluted by petty bickering etc.

tin, contact an admin for the difficult cbs. i dont wanna say the admins can enforce a cb but, they can track the effort to let it happen. in the consequence the admins could (for example) count a cb as a forfeit for a non-responding clan. but when youre already calculating with extra-time to get a cb done (thx!), then i think it is always possible to find a time with both clans.

To clarify this, we dont have problems organizing cbs on our own. It' just takes time, time which we dont have coz of this mistaken rule …

you could save yourself the time by contacting an admin.

I have a sugestion that might work for next season... Have the scheduled days for the cbs as you did this season... But for the unscheduled cbs, allow the clans the entire season to get them done - not just the 2 weeks between the scheduled ones. This will give clans longer to set up the harder cbs and also allow them to play clans who have members on who they are not necessarily scheduled to play for that week .

Just an idea.

Ein

I could save myself time, right, lean back and let an admin do what I could do on my own. But that's not what admins are here for in my eyes. It's not like we couldnt get in contact with a clan, or got rejected. We didnt have serious problems. It's all about the time, we had only one weekend to play all those cbs, that's why couldn't play all required cbs. An admin cannot do anything about the timezones, so I didnt see a point in contacting an admin.
It' all about this god damn mistaken rule. ( I really dont like repeating myself, but obviously I have to, no one seems to be listining.)

Clay.  What you are doing is called flamming.  You did not understand Hunter's post and you immediately resorted to flaming.  I have you Blocked because of all the nasty insulting things you say in Game Ranger so I dont have to see any of it.  I advise that you stop your flames and stay on topic so we dont have to see it here.

If you continue flaming I advise the Admins to give you a warning.

Please stay on topic to the original post.

Thanks - ~Po~ KITKAT

Tin and Clay I feel your frustration, the clans signed up are mostly from the other side of the world and its easier for them to get an unscheduled CB going than it is for you guys.  It seems the only clan on during the same time that you guys are is [Tribe].  If the league sticks with this system next season and its hurting you guys from getting CB's I would suggest merging with a clan in the US or recruit more US players.  The way I see it right now though you guys seem to be in good position for making the top 4 when the season ends and then you wouln't have to worry about it when the Finals weekend comes.

Jesus fucking christ I havn't seen English this bad in years. You fail at getting your point across because your English is so bad, I couldn't even get past the mistakes. I read your entire post and have no idea what it was about. Congrats. Try going back to school.

Quite the contrary. The ability to communicate (speaking, writing, reading, etc) is the only thing that makes us intelligent. Speech is the only thing separating us from our predecessors (cavemen, apes, etc). The shear stupidity of that statement is enough to prove how ignorant and feeble-minded you are. Your lack of common sense is as blatant as your terrible grammar. Your flaunting of that quote like it's some axiom is even more pitiful than the quote itself.

You seriously need to think about what you say. It's extremely apparent that you do nothing of the sort and is detrimental to the validity of your posts and your credibility in general.

That is all. Good day sir.

lol, I love it ::lol::

That looks like a flame ban to me, I know I wouldn't take bullshit like that, if nothing is done about what was said there World War 3 will be starting on these forums very soon.  These forums are a joke, some people are trying to make improvements and a point with the DBL and we have jackass's who don't even play on the ladder making sarcastic remarks.

For one, I'm not flaming. I am trying to get a point across to this kid. You're displaying the exact same fatousness that sparked my previous posts. Secondly, threatening people only worked in kindergarten. Cut the crap and grow up. I used one profane word in both posts and that was to express my deep resentment toward the way he types. I thought my point was explicit, but apparently it wasn't coherent enough for you. The point of such posts as this is not to "flame" as you called it. Rather, the point is to emphasize issues in hopes that he will address them. For some people, being as brash and rude as possible is the only way to divert their attention to the problem at hand.

I hope you have a better understanding for the purpose of my post.

I am far from being sarcastic and who said I don't play in the league? Stop making assumptions without thinking first. Here's a little lesson:

smurfing(v): changing one's alias online to increase anonymity

Obviously I don't play as rageasaurus rex.

No, your posting information completely off topic with the intended purpose to flame.  I don't think telling someone to shutup and speak proper english is what this topic is about or what were supposed to be discussing here, and why hide yourself with an alias, are you so ashamed of your posts that you need to post under a different name to keep yourself from being known as a jackass.  Any admin can just check your IP address and match it up with who you really are and they should tell the rest of us so we know.  You should be responding to the suggestions people have made or make your own suggestions, I think Ein's idea is a great solution for the problem Clay has expressed, your just totally ignoring what people are trying to acomplish here and its cowards like you that should be banned from these forums.

No matter what this league tries people are not going to play because there is not much interest in playing anymore.  There is really no solution.  The Admins have put in enough thought and effort into the issue. 

If you have a clan with low activity, then that is your clan's problem, not the DBL's.  Perhaps you need to recruit more players?  If you have a clan with players who don't want to play anymore,  you're shit out of luck as a clan.  Po is sorry for you.  We all need to take it for what it is, and play, or we can bitch about it and not play.  I for one, will play.


As far as you Pun, stay on topic, you're acting like a French man I know.

Cheers!

Always a good idea to check your own spelling when critiquing another.

 ::applause::
Nice one roo

This thread was NOT about language barriers, but it was about an idea on how to improve the league for all. To all those complaining about the language used here... Not all writers on this forum have English as their first language so do not use bad grammar as reasons for complaining. If you have a problem with what is said, as the poster to clarify what he/she meant to say. Try to go to a forum using your second language as their main language, and post activly there. Some of you might do well, but others will struggle.

To the Europeans that post here... Try to read through your post one more time before you post and read it out loud... if it sounds weird, it most probably is weird... this is constructive critisism, so do not interpret it as anything else.

Now get this thread back on track before we close it. I, and the other moderators of this forum, enjoy constructive discussions on how to run the league... we do NOT however enjoy a thread getting sidetracked and end up with the flaming we are starting to see here.

Brutha

Oha, rageasaurus rex! You hurt my feelings! I'm going to cry myself to sleep.  ::nade::
Rex, as some ppl already metioned, this is NOT my native language. Whatever, thx for correting my bad grammar. Maybe we can meet up at GR and you give me some private english lessons.
 ::bussi::

@topic.

Hunter, you are right, there is no real solution. But ignoring clans with low activity won’t make it any better. GhR is dying. The activity is decreasing in general. This has been discussed so many times  …… We cannot do much about this.

That's why the new schedule system was created. It works great so far expect this one rule.
 …… I dont want to repeat myself again. Nevertheless we should reconsider this rule next season as suggested by Ein.

Another idea would be to talk now about scheduling next season (as you are now) but to have no (zero) unscheduled matches. Have a default time (say x:00 PM/AM on a Saturday) and schedule every single match in advance. If one or more teams can't make it to a match, rescheduling will take place between the two teams. However the match should be completed and the results submited within a week following the original time. That way if something comes up for someone in Europe, the match is flexible. Again, this is just a suggestion.

EDIT:
Also, if a clan cannot scrounge up enough players to participate in the CB within a week of the match's scheduled time, they FORFEIT the match automatically. That leaves room for another rule. Every clan gets x amount of forfeit losses (let's say 3). After forfeiting 3 matches, the clan is automatically disqualified from the league. The idea is to merge the unscheduled CBs with the scheduled ones by making the scheduled ones more frequent and more flexible.

If you need more active players, then recruit. If there's no one to recruit, then you might want to think about merging with another clan. Ghost Recon is, as previously stated, dying. I've known many games to which this has happened, and there's no easy solution.



I feel these ideas support both sides equally. Again, having a default time gives everyone a heads up before the match. It should be relatively simple to come up with a time that works for both US and European players. This way, everyone can assume they'll need to be prepared to CB at an exact time every week, giving them a chance to check their schedules and start rescheduling matches as soon as possible.

There is a big difference between horrendous grammar and a simple typo. It just so happens that this keyboard has extremely stiff keys and pressing them down to the point where it types the character requires a surprising amount of force. Whereas I'm used to a laptop keyboard, getting used to this one has proved rather difficult. Excuse you, sir.

Save the peanut gallery comments for the cafeteria kid.

Rageasaurus is a bitter spiteful person.  I don't think the "three foreits and aclan is eliminated" rule would do anything to spur more gaming.  The simplest rule would be:  "every clan must cb every other clan twice (for example) during the season."  Simple.  Scheduling doesn't work since most of us are students, have jobs, have families, etc.

Rage, it seems like you have lost a way too much time making up a new account to flame people on that thread... Your comments are totaly useless, and offtopic...Maybe you should use your real name, people are not paying attention to useless flamewhores such as you...

Krush, gg on being dumb again...I thought you were gone, too bad that you are back, you are gonna keep noobing this thread with useless and flaming comments.

Well... I don't know about you punisher, but it took about 6 times of reading what Clay typed and a little surfing around in this thread to understand what he actually wanted. I don't think rage's post is "completely off topic". If I can't even understand what the topic is about or what some people are trying to say because of their bad english, then how am I supposed to make a reply or state my opinion? How are you supposed to stay on topic when the topic is impossible to understand? And anyways, why are you playing "let's save the league" when last season you kept saying "This league sucks" and "I never want to compete in this stupid league again"? (just in case you say "no i never said that", here's a link http://www.damnr6.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=9712.0)
Not to mention the other time when you started a poll with a title something along the lines of "Do you think this stupid battle league is worth playing in?". So please stop acting like you care at all about this league, because it's very obvious that you don't. And stop with the "righteous tirades" about flaming and spamming.
Back to the topic... I think we should take out the unscheduled cb's, but leave the scheduled cb's the way they are. If a clanmember can't commit to comming on once a week (it's on a frigging Saturday too!, it's not like it's at 3am on a Monday night) to cb for 3 or 4 hours, then maybe that person should not be in a clan. And to small clans with 3 or 4 members, try recruiting more members or merging with a larger clan. And for the clans located in Europe, why don't you try recruiting more US players, or tell all your clan members to be on at the right time on Saturday. Every clan had over 3 weeks of notice on the date (I remember after the update the date got swapped a few times but everyone still had plenty of notice), and the exact time of the cb, if you can't get your members on, too bad.

EDIT: Link fixed.

I have absolutely NO idea what the hell this means... at all. Sorry Clay.

fuck off Clay... don't be angry at me for something somebody else said.  Keep the flames going Clay and I'll reply all day.

This post will be a little less verbose because I'm irritated. Firefox crashed after I finished typing the majority of this post.


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-First of all, stuff comes up last minute. Some people have things to do and emergencies are   always unexpected. To have such rigid matches is only asking for drama. The more flexible, the better off everyone is.
-Second of all, Saturdays aren't necessarily free days for everyone. Most people have things to do on weekends (yes, Saturdays). I see no reason to impliment the one week rescheduling limit. Not only does it make sense, it takes some of the weight off of the admins shoulders and gives American and European teams alike the opportunity to improve the league by making sure more matches are played and less arguing takes place.


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Next we have Clay's rebuke:
Yes, the reason I'm smurfing is because I have been castrated and my testicles are in a landfill somewhere. You got me there. </sarcasm>

Actually, the reason I'm smurfing right now is to avoid all the bullshit, drama, and stupidity that I would encounter by posting this as my in-game alias. I guarantee you, if I told you who I was, I would be flamed to hell on Gameranger by you and your friends. The entire purpose is so that you can't start bullshit and drama. In my experience, doing such would result in rumors such as hackusations and all around trash talk. That is percisely what I am trying to avoid.

Second of all, my posts have a lot to do with the topic. Not only have I contributed a lot to the discussion, my posts are COMPREHENSIBLE and succinct. People understand what I'm saying where as you... well Rabbit said enough.

Maybe you will grow up and stop insulting people when they try and help or teach you. If you had half the maturity of a junior high school kid, you would cut the crap and accept my criticism. Your insults to myself and Krush represent the EPITOME of why I am using this alias. That is the exact kind of juvenile bullshit that this name prevents from reaching Gameranger and Ghost Recon.

I'm sure everybody will agree with me when I say we need less drama and spiteful crap in-game and on Gameranger. THAT is EXACTLY why I'm not using my real name. The fact that you see it as a lack of courage and guts further proves my point that you are immature and uncivilized.





SUMMARY:
I AM TRYING TO PREVENT THIS BULLSHIT FROM SPREADING TO GAMERANGER AND GHOST RECON, I AM NOT HIDING BEHIND AN ALIAS. I AM NOT TRYING TO START MORE DRAMA, RATHER MY INTENT IS TO PREVENT IT. THINK ABOUT WHAT I SAY INSTEAD OF TAKING IT AT FACE VALUE.

Don't be sorry, it's not your fault Clay doesn't know how to put words together to make complete sentences.

Admins: Ban me, do whatever the fuck you want... but when these euro pricks (and no, I'm not referring to all euros) never shut the fuck up, I'm not just going to sit here and watch (I know damn well that I'm not the only one seeing this)...  I think we all know that's just not me.  Until warnings are thrown, whether it be at me or whoever else, it's become quite apparent that nobody will stop.  And even when we do stop, some little prick starts it right back up.

Again, that's not up to anybody but you and whoever else is participating in this nonsense. From here on out, I won't say anything to them for a couple reasons:

1) Nothing I say gets through to them. They read my posts and immediately flame me instead of thinking about what I'm saying. I post stuff that's on topic and they don't even see it. They're so eager to argue and throw punches (figuratively) that this discussion will never develop.
2) I get migraines trying to decypher their responses and, even worse, when I read their replies to my ideas. I have no problem helping people if they actually try to fix their grammar or their attitudes, neither of which has even been considered by Tin or Clay.
3) I would rather not continue to plague the admins with all this trash. They have enough on their plates without all this.

I suggest you drop it too Krush.

ROFL, lets make a daytime soap out of this  ::applause::

Agreed.

To set the record straight... Clay posted a simple message suggesting an idea to possibly improve the league and asked for other imput. Personally I see nothing wrong with his original post.

Rage and krush... Both of your first posts on this thread were flames, unlike clay's. Flames are like real fire and will ignite more flames which is what has occured.

Now first ill discuss Rage. You create an alias, supposedly to prevent drama but it seems as though you are causing it. You lash out at clay for talking about krush when he commented on your misspelling post saying that clay is uncivilized...  Examine yourself. You flamed roo for correcting your spelling mistake and flamed the one who laughed at roos post - "the cafateria peanut gallery" as you called them.

If you were actually in this thread to discuss the topic at hand wirthout flaming then an alias should not be needed because it wouldn't create drama.

Next on to krush... Over 1000 posts and I'm guessing more than half are flames of some sort. Look at me... I've been in the league for about 3 to 4 years, have been a clanleader and a waradmin several times over... Yet I have less than 200 posts on the forums even though I am active on them. The reason for this is that I hardly flame anyone... I contribute to the discussion at hand and then wait to see what others have to say about the subject.  Krush, I don't see why you can't do the same... It would save many threads from the flame wars I have seen you cause.

And what was the comment about euros for? Saying they "never shut the fuck up". If you were flamed, krush... You'd respond just as they do.... And many of the, have been in the league just as long as you and have less than 1000 posts.

Now... Can the flamers (not just krush and rage) please take your flames to GR and leave the forums alone so we can discuss actual topics. Don't write a sentance about the topic at hand and then a page worth of flames. If you only have a sentance to contribute to the topic... Type that and nothing else.

Ein

The point is to keep the flames here, in the forums, where they become nothing more than abstract sentiments instead of drama such as hackusations and rumors about god knows what. I think everyone agrees that drama about hacking claims is a lot worse than some half assed drama in the forums. Players get banned for seasons for bullshit drama steming from things such as this. Tin and Clay need to realize that their terrible grammar is part of the reason everybody is fed up with them. Everybody, myself included, gets sick and tired of translating their posts into English. I know it's a second language for most Europeans, but honestly, spell check helps more than you'd think. The point of this alias is so I could TRY and communicate that to them. Criticism is recieved with nothing but malevolence. The only way that remains in my opinion is to be brash and public, in hopes of humiliating them into THINKING. That's all I ask is that they THINK about what other people say (criticism, etc) THINK before they type something. Before you click "post" ask yourself if others will be able to understand what you typed.

I say we take this anger to the Battlefield and plays some games!

I've seen enough in this thread to know this is getting nowhere. The suggestions and comments are only being repeated and in-between the flames and semi-flames we are getting the occasional on-topic post. The admins have taken note of the  suggestions made in this thread.

Can a forum mod please lock this thead?

Tigah would you like me to grab all my posts relating to the topic that have good ideas in them?





Thanks for reading.

Noted.

Pilot to co-pilot..we're going down in flames!! Everyone have some sex, beer, etc and chill out. I know not everyone likes everyone but lets act like grownups and treat each other with respect (even if they dont deserve it). It will help you accomplish a whole lot more in everything you do if you take this attitude. It will help keep defensiveness down and creativity up. We all want to have fun in this league, thats why we play in it. For some it seems like fun to them is trash talking the pl they cant stand. But thats the kind of stuff that does not belong here, that belongs on GR. 

Grow up man

And yes I would like to see a few less restrictions to this season when it comes to cb scheduling

Enough Flaming and stupid bitching at each other. If you can't have a productive and constructive conversation and debate about this kinda stuff why do you kids bother on these forums? You take an active interest in trying to inprove the league and make sure that the community gets the valid and necessary input into the shaping of these competitions and instead just turn it into a petty slagging match.

I'll warn you now, don't even think about starting another thread on this topic.