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Title: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: BTs_GhostSniper on February 06, 2006, 12:27:46 am
Okay, I've finally decided to become a member of the 21st Century and buy my very first Apple iPod.  I'm actually not getting it for the reason most of you buy them for (to play music).  I'm mainly getting it with the Digital Camera Connector so that I can use it to download pictures I take with my Canon EOS 20D instead of hauling around a PowerBook all the time.  The biggest CompactFlash card I can get for my camera is 8GB witch costs like $700, so I think this solution would be a lot more cost effective.

Anyway, Apple offers free Laser Engraving and I can't decide what to put back there.  I'm thinking I might want to put one of the generic sayings on it so that I could sell it later more easily in case I want to upgrade.  So, take the poll, or hit OTHER and list your thoughts here!
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Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: BFG on February 06, 2006, 12:40:15 am
a little off topic but i am seriously considering a Digital SLR and am pretty much stuck on the Canon EOS 20D ... you bought one didn't you? Not certain about the lenses can't make my mind up other than id like a macro, wide angle, and good zoom lense for wildlife.

How was it GS, any problems with the camera pros/cons you've had? which lenses did you get and how have you found them? this is all off topic but you've got my email/pm if you could spare a bit of time would love some feedback (anyone else with a pro-sumer canon Digital SLR as well!!)

ps.. hmm depends if you ever want to sell it. i put my real name and the 'company' name that i work freelance under. i know which ipod is mine, but i can't ever sell it ;)


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: c| Spetsnaz. on February 06, 2006, 12:46:54 am
I was thinkin something like "Death before Dishonor" or "Kill em' all and let allah sort em' out", ah yes how could I forget, "Death is the Greatest Glory".


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: cottonmouth on February 06, 2006, 12:47:55 am
leave it blank.  When ya decid to sell it in a year, the buyer aint gonna want GS's signature on it.


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: BTs_GhostSniper on February 06, 2006, 12:56:05 am
a little off topic but i am seriously considering a Digital SLR and am pretty much stuck on the Canon EOS 20D ... you bought one didn't you? Not certain about the lenses can't make my mind up other than id like a macro, wide angle, and good zoom lense for wildlife.

How was it GS, any problems with the camera pros/cons you've had? which lenses did you get and how have you found them? this is all off topic but you've got my email/pm if you could spare a bit of time would love some feedback (anyone else with a pro-sumer canon Digital SLR as well!!)

No problem, it's off-topic but it is MY topic so I guess I can make an exception...lol

The EOS 20D has been awesome!  I bought it in September and I've taken around 10,000 pictures with it since then (over 1,000 pictures just of the destruction from Hurricane Katrina that hit here).  The first two lenses I bought were the EF 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM Lens and the EF 70-300mm f/4-5.6 IS USM.  They were both great lenses, but I decided I wanted something a little better for low-light situations so I ended up selling both of those on ebay.  I ended up with the EF 50mm f/1.4 Prime Lens, EF 100mm f/2.8 Macro, EF 24-105mm f/4L IS USM, and the incredible EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM.  Those last two are both Canon "L" Lenses which cost a small fortune but are worth every penny.  That 4-lens group seems to be working perfectly for me.  I also use the EF 2x Converter which allows my 70-200mm lens to become a 140-400mm lens when I need extra telephoto.  I may end up buying the EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM to cover airshows.  I would say to always go for an Image Stabilized Lens (has the IS designation) on any of the zoom lenses and if you can afford it, get an L-Series Lens (they are as much or more than the camera though!).  If I had to recommend one "affordable" walk-around lens, I'd say to go with the EF 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM Lens and then if you want to add a Macro lens, get the EF 100mm f/2.8 Macro.  Both are very affordable and take great pictures.  I can't stress enough how important buying an IS lens is on any zoom lens, makes a world of difference.  Also, the controls and features of the EOS 20D are really nice.  Remember that any lens you buy for it has to have its focal length multiplied by 1.6 because of the smaller sensor on that camera (same as the Digital Rebel XT).  So, my 70-200mm lens really gives me the view as if I were using a 112-320mm lens.  This is mainly important in realizing that if you want something "wide-angle", you've got to get a lens that is Ultra-Wide Angle to capture the same shot.  That's where that 17-85mm Lens does a really good job.  If you have any other questions, ask away!

OMG, this is the longest post I've left in like a year!  lol
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Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: BFG on February 06, 2006, 12:58:58 am
lovley must sleep now but will digest and badger you with a whole load more questions... budget isn't exactly huge... so there will be some ecomonising over what id 'like' and what is 'realistic' ;)


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: :MoD:Shade on February 06, 2006, 01:00:21 am
Doesn't laser engraving void the warrantee?


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: BTs_GhostSniper on February 06, 2006, 01:02:00 am
Doesn't laser engraving void the warrantee?

How in the hell could Apple offer to give you free laser engraving from the Apple Store and then void your warranty for getting it?  That doesn't make any sense![/size]


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: :MoD:Shade on February 06, 2006, 01:17:16 am
I dunno, maybe APP doesn't support it or something - or maybe I'm just confused.

. . . I just thought I had overheard Sab saying something like that.


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: BTs_GhostSniper on February 06, 2006, 01:18:37 am
I dunno, maybe APP doesn't support it or something - or maybe I'm just confused.

. . . I just thought I had overheard Sab saying something like that.

Can anyone else confirm this?  If it's true, then I definitely won't be getting the free engraving done![/size]


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: Civrock on February 06, 2006, 01:31:10 am
Doesn't laser engraving void the warrantee?

No, it's doesn't really matter what you do to the outer look of it, as long as you don't open it.


On-Topic: As cottonmouth said, don't do it... if you decide to sell it (which you do very frequently because of new releases by Apple ;)), you'll much more likely get rid of it, for a reasonable price, than with an engraving. But if you don't care about that... I'd go with "Apple / Think different." (in two lines, without the quotes and the slash).


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: BTs_GhostSniper on February 06, 2006, 01:48:15 am
On-Topic: As cottonmouth said, don't do it... if you decide to sell it (which you do very frequently because of new releases by Apple), you'll much more likely get rid of it, for a reasonable price, than with an engraving. But if you don't care about that... I'd go with "Apple / Think different." (in two lines, without the quotes and the slash).[/color]

Yeah, I was thinking of doing something like that....something that wouldn't hurt the resale value of it.[/size]


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: theweakspot on February 06, 2006, 07:11:53 am
hahaha, I' d go with the "GhostSniper, BattleTek Squadron"

Besides it will make it th at much more of a collector's item when I win it in Ghostsniper's February Quiz, 2007.

:)


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: Macuber on February 06, 2006, 07:38:03 am
Forget the engraving. I take iPods in for trade-in's and any etched..value goes down GS.


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: BTs_GhostSniper on February 06, 2006, 03:04:10 pm
Forget the engraving. I take iPods in for trade-in's and any etched..value goes down GS.

By the way, I thought about you before I sold my 17" PowerBook, but I doubt you would have given me the full price that I paid for it 4 months ago like that idiot on ebay did.  ;)


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: DarK. on February 06, 2006, 05:48:03 pm
I think you should get "Present to my good friend DarK." but that's just me.


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: Ethion on February 06, 2006, 07:50:25 pm
Or, I like Chuck.


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: z][t-Primary on February 06, 2006, 09:32:47 pm
"Store Demo - Do Not Remove."


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: Macuber on February 06, 2006, 10:36:30 pm
Maybe have Weakspot engrave some flames and fuzzy dice on it (Snake Eyes)


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: DarK. on February 07, 2006, 08:35:28 am
He'd have to steal some fuzzy dice first.  So he could have something to work with... Ah hell he might as well just steal the truck too.


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: BTs_GhostSniper on February 08, 2006, 12:04:00 am
I'm thinking that this might be the best one, and should not hurt resale value much:

Macintosh
Power In The Hands Of A Few

I was selling Macs in the early 90's when the PowerPC chip was first introduced in them and we wore a button that said something similar (PowerPC, Power In The Hands Of A Few).  We also wore another one that said "POWER THROUGH IT".  So anyway, what do you guys think about that one?[/color][/size]


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: Civrock on February 08, 2006, 02:17:52 am
It will hurt the resale value even more than a more general engraving... because this one will most definitely not be bought by any PC user (and most iPod owners who need a new one or people who consider getting one... are PC users).


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: BTs_GhostSniper on February 08, 2006, 02:37:55 am
It will hurt the resale value even more than a more general engraving... because this one will most definitely not be bought by any PC user (and most iPod owners who need a new one or people who consider getting one... are PC users).

Yuk, no iPod of mine is going into the hands of a PC-User!  I'd rather give it away in one of my quizes!  lol[/size]


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: Civrock on February 08, 2006, 02:48:35 am
Problem solved... choose whatever engraving you want, I won't care (of the listed ones, don't get any ideas now). ;)


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: :MoD:Shade on February 08, 2006, 03:09:30 am
There's no real point to engraving . . they can be personalized in other ways, cases, earbuds ect.


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: BTs_GhostSniper on February 08, 2006, 03:12:21 am
There's no real point to engraving . . they can be personalized in other ways, cases, earbuds ect.

But it's FREE laser engraving!!!  That would cost me like $10 at the local engraving shop.[/size]  ;)


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: :MoD:Shade on February 08, 2006, 03:50:42 am
It's all a trap by Apple to reduce the resale price of their merchandise, heh.


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: DarK. on February 08, 2006, 04:57:17 am
GS what are you gonna do when your friends ask you wtf is Ghost Sniper...  I hope at work you don't introduce yourself with:  "Hello, my name is Battle Tek Squad Ghost Sniper (Or Damn Battle League Sniper) <By this time they have already left> how may I he..l....p y......o.........u.?"  Just get your name or some sort of snazzy apple thingy.


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: BTs_GhostSniper on February 08, 2006, 05:41:15 am
GS what are you gonna do when your friends ask you wtf is Ghost Sniper...  I hope at work you don't introduce yourself with:  "Hello, my name is Battle Tek Squad Ghost Sniper (Or Damn Battle League Sniper) <By this time they have already left> how may I he..l....p y......o.........u.?"  Just get your name or some sort of snazzy apple thingy.

Actually, the name "Ghost Sniper" was given to me by the other soldiers I served with in the 75th Ranger Regiment.  And since I "earned" the name, I don't mind using it in other parts of my life, although I doubt I'll brand an iPod with it.[/size]


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: DarK. on February 08, 2006, 05:59:51 am
Ahh I figured it had to do with "ghost" recon.


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: BTs_GhostSniper on February 08, 2006, 06:07:24 am
Ahh I figured it had to do with "ghost" recon.

Nope, I was given that name about 10 years before Ghost Recon hit the market.[/size]


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: Toxic::Joka on February 08, 2006, 12:10:22 pm
I was going to engrave "All the songs I like are really cool" on mine, but then I didn't. Feel free to use it  :)

(Yeah, kinda copied from a song)


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: BTs_GhostSniper on February 08, 2006, 03:09:27 pm
I was going to engrave "All the songs I like are really cool" on mine, but then I didn't. Feel free to use it  :)

(Yeah, kinda copied from a song)

Hey, that's a good idea...engrave my favorite song on to it...kinda would fit the iTunes/iPod theme.


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: DarK. on February 08, 2006, 04:57:20 pm
What is your favorite song?


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: BFG on February 08, 2006, 05:07:42 pm
bets on it being from the beatles... ;)

GS Regarding the Camera and lenses... Going to have to go for a good allrounder for now, simply don't have the budget to blow on just the camera... so macro and hardcore zoom lense to one side, i need a good allrounder... help!!?


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: BTs_GhostSniper on February 08, 2006, 08:18:40 pm
What is your favorite song?

bets on it being from the beatles... ;)

Yes, it is a Beatles Song, "In My Life".  Very good, BFG.  You Bloody Brits are lucky you had the Beatles.  It's the only thing that kept me from wiping out your little island for all that shit you guys pulled on America in the late 1700's.  ;)


GS Regarding the Camera and lenses... Going to have to go for a good allrounder for now, simply don't have the budget to blow on just the camera... so macro and hardcore zoom lense to one side, i need a good allrounder... help!!?

In that case, I would go with the Canon EF-S 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM lens.  It gives you decent macro functionality (although not 1:1 life size), has great wide-angle abilities on the low end of the focal length, and good zoom on the high end (17-85mm is equivilant to a 27-136mm lens on the 1.6x Crop Factor Canon EOS 20D).  It will take good portraits at the high end zoom, will take great landscape and building shots as well as indoor room shots at the low end zoom, plus it has Image Stabilization that will help you with hand-held shots.  It was the first lens I bought with my 20D and I really liked it.  The only reason I upgraded lenses was to get some better, although much more expensive, low-light lenses in the f/1.4 and f/2.8 range.  Can't go wrong with that little lens.  By the way, it is an "EF-S" lens, which means it can ONLY be used on the EOS 20D and the Canon Digital Rebel.  It won't work on any film SLR or any of Canon's other Digital SLR's because of the way it's designed.  Only those two Canon cameras are like that, but since they are the most popular cameras Canon makes, it shouldn't be much of a problem in the future if you want to upgrade.


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: BFG on February 08, 2006, 09:07:05 pm
Ah "in My Life" Nice pick :)

Hehe its a good job we shipped off all our convicts and nut cases to the newfoundland or i wouldn't get handy and very helpful advice on lenses and cameras ;)

cheers matey i'll investigate :)


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: BTs_GhostSniper on February 08, 2006, 09:22:50 pm
Okay, I just bought my 60GB Apple iPod from the Apple Online Store and I went with this:

Apple Computer
Think Different

I figure that will give me the best resale value, plus it was an ad campaign I actually liked from Apple (I have the Amelia Earhart Think Different Poster hanging in my daughter's bedroom).[/color][/size]


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: Civrock on February 09, 2006, 12:43:34 am
Why Apple 'Computer'? It looks kind of stupid... the slogan is 'Apple - Think different.', not 'Apple Computer - Think different'. And it's not a computer (iMac, G5, etc), it's an iPod.


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: BTs_GhostSniper on February 09, 2006, 12:51:03 am
Why Apple 'Computer'? It looks kind of stupid... the slogan is 'Apple - Think different.', not 'Apple Computer - Think different'. And it's not a computer (iMac, G5, etc), it's an iPod.

Cause damnit, the name of the company is APPLE COMPUTER, INC!  ;)

And it wasn't "Apple - Think different".  It just had a little Apple Logo and said "Think Different."  I know, I just looked at my daughter's poster!  lol


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: Civrock on February 09, 2006, 12:58:38 am
None of the Apple posters I have says "Apple Computer"... it's just "Apple". But whatever... your iPod. ::)


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: :V:*Beast on February 09, 2006, 01:20:50 am
"For My Sweet Angel"

and give your girl/boyfriend the iPod for her Valentine's day... ::lieb::


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: BTs_GhostSniper on February 09, 2006, 03:05:18 pm
Well, the Apple Store said that it normally takes 1 to 3 days to ship a customized iPod but I just found out they shipped mine within 12 hours!  Now that's fast service!


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: bronto on February 09, 2006, 04:59:58 pm
get an ipod video thing that says "bronto's pr0n pod" and then mail it to me :D


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: BTs_GhostSniper on February 09, 2006, 05:35:47 pm
get an ipod video thing that says "bronto's pr0n pod" and then mail it to me :D

I wish there was a button when you create a new topic that doesn't allow any guests to post in your thread.  ;)


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: DarK. on February 09, 2006, 08:07:25 pm
Too true


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: BFG on February 09, 2006, 08:09:35 pm
bronto why don't you ever login you numpty? where the hell are you anyway?



Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: Civrock on February 09, 2006, 08:11:04 pm
He deleted his account on accident... :P


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: BTs_GhostSniper on February 09, 2006, 08:20:19 pm
He deleted his account on accident... :P

lol...what a dumbass.  How the hell do you delete your account on accident?  I don't even know how to do it ON PURPOSE!


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: BFG on February 09, 2006, 09:09:32 pm
Profile; actions; 'delete this account'

anyhoo ;) you've seen the rumors of a brand new video ipod by now im guessing? wouldn't wait the current one is sexy im sure the new rumored one won't turn up for ages :)


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: BTs_GhostSniper on February 09, 2006, 09:19:25 pm
you've seen the rumors of a brand new video ipod by now im guessing? wouldn't wait the current one is sexy im sure the new rumored one won't turn up for ages :)

Yeah, I saw that in a thread in the Tech Talk.  I contemplated cancelling my order but then I figured I would just upgrade to the new one when the time came.


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: Civrock on February 09, 2006, 09:35:45 pm
Yeah, I saw that in a thread in the Tech Talk.  I contemplated cancelling my order but then I figured I would just upgrade to the new one when the time came and give my old one to Civic for all his help with technical questions.


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: DarK. on February 09, 2006, 10:22:40 pm
Yeah, I saw that in a thread in the Tech Talk.  I contemplated cancelling my order but then I figured I would just upgrade to the new one when the time came and Not give my old one to Civic but to DarK for being such a great guy..


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: Civrock on February 09, 2006, 10:27:13 pm
That's just lame and uncreative.


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: DarK. on February 10, 2006, 01:52:24 am
I try


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: crypt on February 10, 2006, 04:23:19 am
"What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?"

Smoke My
    Pole


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: Ethion on February 10, 2006, 07:24:21 am
Yeah, I saw that in a thread in the Tech Talk.  I contemplated cancelling my order but then I figured I would just upgrade to the new one when the time came and give my old one to the local animal shelter, so they can listen to good old bluuuuuuuuuuuuuuues all day long..


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: DarK. on February 10, 2006, 07:25:42 am
"You already got your iPod this is getting off topic lock it please" how does that sound?


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: BTs_GhostSniper on February 10, 2006, 03:13:58 pm
"You already got your iPod this is getting off topic lock it please" how does that sound?

hehehe...yeah, you're right.  I'm leaving this open just for general iPod engraving suggestions for everyone else that might want to do it, but please don't turn it into the Spam Drop Box.


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: :V:*Beast on February 10, 2006, 05:55:50 pm
"You already got your iPod this is getting off topic lock it please" how does that sound?

hehehe...yeah, you're right.  I'm leaving this open just for general iPod engraving suggestions for everyone else that might want to do it, but please don't turn it into the Spam Drop Box.

try us....

Beasts iPod engraving: "My iPod engraving is sexier than BTs_GhostSnipers iPod"


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: :V:*Beast on February 10, 2006, 06:00:06 pm
hehehe...yeah, you're right.  I'm leaving this open just for general iPod engraving suggestions for everyone else that might want to do it, but please don't turn it into the Spam Drop Box.


you just invited us to turn it into a spam drop box...
maybe you should move the whole topic to the Spam Drop Box...


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: DarK. on February 10, 2006, 07:41:37 pm
No because hopefully if you get it to far off topic after his warning you will get a warning.


Title: Re: What Should I Have Etched Onto the Back of My New 60GB iPod?
Post by: BTs_GhostSniper on February 10, 2006, 08:48:59 pm
hehehe...yeah, you're right.  I'm leaving this open just for general iPod engraving suggestions for everyone else that might want to do it, but please don't turn it into the Spam Drop Box.


you just invited us to turn it into a spam drop box...
maybe you should move the whole topic to the Spam Drop Box...

No because hopefully if you get it to far off topic after his warning you will get a warning.

And then I'll smite you with a lightning bolt to get you back in line.  ;)