*DAMN R6 Forum

Crunch time folks :o  I just wanted to remind you all that you have until the 12th of December to qualify for each of the ladders your clan wishes to participate in.

In each TEAM ladder you have to play and submit at least 3cbs against 3 different clans within the first 3 weeks (deadline sunday 12th december), otherwise your clan will be removed from the related ladder"

The top 4 clans that have played at least 15 cbs/TEAM ladder throughout the season, qualify for the SuperFinals. If not enough clans meet the requirements the SuperFinals for this ladder will be cancelled."

Come on guys, lets get this show on the road.

damn, we're screwed :( good luck in the superfinals boys and girls (assuming we have a superfinals this season).

shitty rule being that there are only like -.7 clans that play anymore, but whatevs.

haha seems as the rvs ladder will go  on with like 3 or 4 clans ;)

If you sign up for a ladder, then why not cb on that ladder? We're trying to encourage clans to actually play and not just sit on a ladder and do nothing....You only need to play 3 different clans per ladder before the 12th. My suggestion is for all those inactive clans to least give it a try and perhaps lets get all the clans together this weekend and go cb mad. ::sniper:: ;D

we've already asked about 7-8 cbed... only dr accepted one.  ::wall::

that's all good and all... then you realize if you don't make the deadline you just wasted a ton of time trying anyways... or at least that's how I see it.

the thing is that, tigah, this isn't season 8 anymore when you had 5,000,000 clands that were always cbing.
the games that people play on the ladders are slowly declining to nothing and therefore, people won't be cbing all the time.
most people have moved onto their normal lives and now there are no clans left.

if you are going to make a rule like this maybe you should consider the situation that the BL is in ..

If I'm not mistaken I'de say their trying to change the BL activity... it's a nearly impossible task though.  And I highly doubt that telling clans they have a deadline to make or they're out of the ladder is the motivation clans need to be more active.

It's great that the admin team isn't giving up, but until a new worthwhile game comes out for mac I don't see the activity going up enough to bring back a real/full ladder.

And that's exactly why we are trying to give clans a little push in the right direction rather than let them sit on the ladders doing nothing. Perhaps if certain people weren't so negative and actually tried to help this community as well as the DBL with a more positive attitude, that might help. There's various reasons for clans taking time out and not cb'ing so much and you'll be surprised how many people got driven away by how this community acts towards one another. And yes some people took more interest in other aspects of their lives, but not necessarily because their lives got better, but moreso because this community got worse.

The DBL administration is trying as hard as possible to acommodate for the lack in activity and mixing it up a little to keep it fun, but it's truly like trying to please a bunch of babies sitting around the dinner table - everything we try to feed you guys, you spit in our faces with. I mean seriously, whatelse would you suggest to help increase the activity of this league? Or would you rather we not set these rules and let this low patch run it's course? Because if we do that, the community will simply loose focus, motivation and the will to keep this league alive and I'm afraid if we don't push you guys to cb, we're not doing our duty as admins. The "situation that the bl is in" indeed needs to be fixed and this is our solution - A small minimum requirement, which really is not a lot to ask. You want a league to clan battle in, then it's the whole community's responsibility to make it happen - the admins alone can't keep the wheel turning.

Leen should know... I think he was in half of them.

I think the DBL should just take GhR off of life support and focus on new games... like AA. Yeah yeah... computer issues... yeah yeah it's overly complex... i've heard that. But you gotta face it, GhR is played out.

That's my helpful 2¢

I don't know why the DBL Admins are trying so hard to fix this problem, there's nothing to fix.  It's a lul in mac games in general, GhR is old, new games have too high of computer requirements for the majority of the population.

I think Shade is right...  Its just a lull in MAc gaming in general.  If we want to fix this problem perhaps someone from the admin team could but together something on the Damn site where we can all individually fill out a form as supporters for GhR3 (i.e. willing to buy it from Aspyr before they even begin writing the code for it).  Perhaps if Damn were to colect say a thousand or so emails, addresses, and digital signatures and then send it to Aspyr, maybe they would start writing the code for the game.

I would be willing to shell out $50 right now if i knew the game would be ready in a year or so.

I was just thinking that exact same thing before I read your post... Once I get my G5 I'll be willing to pay for GhR3 in a second.

why would DAMN put this kind of pressure on clans.  c| wants to cb this season, but unfortunately we havent been around enough in the early days of the season to get in the qualifying cb's.  this will not promote more cb-ing.  now we cant cb at all cuz of this new rule.

silly

I agree with the statement of Shade, Mac gaming as a whole is on the decline, at least via GR.  Look at the stats page on gameranger.com, the # of games played is down to the level it was almost a year and a half/two years ago.  I do not believe there is much the admin team can do to stop this, but that they are trying speaks volumes about their determination to the success of Mac gaming, and I think they deserve kudos from all of you, whether you agree with this new rule or not, for keeping the ship afloat as long as they have. 

To be more on topic, I can see both the plusses and negatives of having this rule, but in the end I believe it is a beneficial thing in this situation, since if a clan participates, but only with one CB, maybe two, they will not accrue enough points (sheep) to make much difference or make it into the finals at all.  As it is now, there are just the very few clans which still CB, and all the rest have the prepared response of "Sorry, we would if we had more people on."   This this is just my experience in trying to organize CBs, and I havent been in a CB in the last three seasons.

Good luck admins, in keeping the Mac gaming alive.

oh wow... I thought you meant 3cb vs. 3 different clans to make a total of 9 cbs (maybe I'm just stupid, but to me it makes sense both ways)... maybe you should make this a little more clear by saying "you must cb 3 different clans before..."  I thought it meant you had to cb 3 seperate clans 3 times each up until yesterday when ferret corrected me.

Ups, no it is 3 cbs versus different clans. Just a stupid mistake - I just fixed it. Sorry about that confusion.

Bye,

Mauti

me too for the longest time krush.[/size]

Well, to increase cb's or just activity in general(or even to guage how active a season might be), why not up the stakes? I think that Mr T suggested something similar before but why not require all players to pay $1 (or its equivalent). The winning clan wins the entire pot for that ladder to divide among their members. $1 is not much of a charge for an 8-10 week season of being able to cb. Also this might cause larger clans to break up and form smaller ones for 2 reasons: 1)smaller clan winning the pot=more money per individual clan member, and 2)clans will realize it costs them more as a clan to enter a clan of 10 people than it would to enter a clan of 6 people since each clanmember would cost $1.

I'm sure a lot of clans might not like a $1 charge to play for 10 weeks and in my oppinion, that will probably be the clans who don't plan on being to active. 1 dollar is not a lot to pay to increase activity and all it would take is settiong up paypal accounts. Instead of just sending a winner icon for the ladder, mauti (or the admin in charge of it) would also have to paypal over the ladders pot to the winning clan leader to divide up to their members.

Also, the 3 week registration period woukd be also the time players had to send in their $1 contribution. If they did not send in their money along with the GR I'd it was for, that player would be removed from the ladder and not allowed to compete.

I'm not against it but what do the rest of you think?

Ein

Well, to increase cb's or just activity in general(or even to guage how active a season might be), why not up the stakes? I think that Mr T suggested something similar before but why not require all players to pay $1 (or its equivalent). The winning clan wins the entire pot for that ladder to divide among their members. $1 is not much of a charge for an 8-10 week season of being able to cb. Also this might cause larger clans to break up and form smaller ones for 2 reasons: 1)smaller clan winning the pot=more money per individual clan member, and 2)clans will realize it costs them more as a clan to enter a clan of 10 people than it would to enter a clan of 6 people since each clanmember would cost $1.

I'm sure a lot of clans might not like a $1 charge to play for 10 weeks and in my oppinion, that will probably be the clans who don't plan on being to active. 1 dollar is not a lot to pay to increase activity and all it would take is settiong up paypal accounts. Instead of just sending a winner icon for the ladder, mauti (or the admin in charge of it) would also have to paypal over the ladders pot to the winning clan leader to divide up to their members.

Also, the 3 week registration period woukd be also the time players had to send in their $1 contribution. If they did not send in their money along with the GR I'd it was for, that player would be removed from the ladder and not allowed to compete.

I'm not against it but what do the rest of you think?

Ein

I did propose something like that awhile back, but I still think the overarching issue of GhR and/or Mac gaming being dead/in a lull still prevails. Why would anyone pay a dollar to play a game they can ignore for free?

Honestly though, I would ante up for an AA ladder. Our server cost $50 a month and to help cover that cost I'd play for money. Not for GhR though... sorry guys.

Perhaps someone with more time could snoop around and see what the other GhR communities are doing. I know many of them are PC, but they have to be feeling the same bite as we are.

The deadline to qualify as an active clan in season 12 has passed now and it was sad to see that not many clans are taking clan battles and this league serious enough. As a consequence, the required cb's needed  to stay on the ladders for both Ghost Recon and Raven Shield has now been dumped. The admins have discussed it and in order for this league to stay as active as possible, we need to allow those clans not meeting the requirement to stay on the ladders. Therefore to sum up - all clans on all ladders may continue to clan battle. However, we will stand by the 15 cbs needed for the top 4 clans to qualify for the finals.

It's not that people aren't taking it seriously it's that because less people have been playing on GR recently everybody has found new things to do.

Some people have gone to WoW, others to AA others to XBox and XBox 360 online gaming, some just left games compltely and got back to their normal mundane life.  That's what happens.

I play AA via GameRanger, much better server browser and working filters.

You're one of the few, but that's not the point.

i like that Tigah.  i think its better this way.  yes activity is down, but at least this allows clans to get back into things at their own pace.  this way when my guys start getting time again, we can play when we're ready instead of sitting around with our thumbs up our ass's wishing we could.

i like that DAMN is always looking for new ways to get activity higher, but right now we have to face the facts.  its not what it used to be.  but with patience it should change.  i mean i came back, thats gotta be worth something right?  :-)

Kingo

More or less same story here, Pops...

Tigah,
I will now mail my lazy members that we are still in business.
 
I would have supported the idea with a minimum too though, but reality sometimes has to influence the good intentions.

So, Dr. clan...we are up for the cb during this week - and whoever else clan that want to and have ppl online for a cb.

Best regards
| ! |  Flies

or even a premium membership ;D lol think thats too much but is there no possiblity to talk to evill? maybe civic i think u would have good connections. hahh that was more meant as a joke but but if it would work it would b great !!  ::applause::

I don't think so. ::)

that would give me no insentive to play at all... I'de rather have $5 or whatever we would end up getting than a premium membership.

hmm ok.. was just a idea of a child... without credit card.. ;D

To Mauti and the DBL Admins.. I normally go with the flow with your decisions on how Tournaments are held. But I hope you can change your minds and have a "Finals" with the teams that have competed this season. This season i put together a "New" team with new members that have never CB'ed before much less been in a clan. We've been up against the more experienced teams (3 of them) and of course it's a learning experience for them. For them the peak is participating in a Finals to bring it to a full circle. The top team(s) have earned a "bye" and allow the lower teams to earn their right to play against them.
How about it Mauti and Admins? Remember "Eddie the Eagle"?!

We gonna hold an after season tournament for RvS and maybe more games. So there your new clan could participate. SuperFinals for season XII will only be played if enough cbs have been played.

Bye,

Mauti