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A unique system that can produce Hydrogen inside a car using common metals such as Magnesium and Aluminum was developed by an Israeli company. The system solves all of the obstacles associated with the manufacturing, transporting and storing of hydrogen to be used in cars. When it becomes commercial in a few years time, the system will be incorporated into cars that will cost about the same as existing conventional cars to run, and will be completely emission free.

read full article here! (http://www.isracast.com/tech_news/231005_tech.htm)

We probably should do something before we completely destroy our ozone.

now the palestinians are really gonna hate israel...

nah....

has anyone seen the "Global Warming" South Park.  Its pretty funny, you should check it out...



no, I broke the dam

It may not be as big of a problem as people think, but it does pose a threat.

I think its a much bigger problem than people think... i dunno how long it will take for people to cotton on but its not a case of doing something before the climate changes.. its to late. I had an amazing picture of the ice caps from 20 years ago and now today - the Arctic is about 70% the size of what it used to be.... And among everything else i wonder how many more active hurricane seasons it will take before people start to catch on.

the big problem is that the large companies dont want to spend the money it will take to cut pollution from their factories. and of course cars are a huge problem. does anyone remember the law that clinton passed when he was in office? it was something about cars being emission free by....i dont remember the year. anyone remember this or was it a dream? and this IS as big as people say it is. maybe not in 50 years or even a hundred(100 might be a problem) there seems to be no thought about the future at all. when you guys have kids and their kids have kids etc etc....all the warning lights are up now and have been for many years. and yes many problems are also happening because of the natural environment of the planet. but soooo much is because of us humans. and we are the only species on this planet that can do anything about it. sometimes it seems that people think its a joke when experts talk about the poles melting and coast lines being under water in the future. so it may not be that "big" a problem atm, but it will.

Uh...

The polar ice caps have completely melted off...SEVERAL TIMES.
like before there were cars, and buses, and filthy, greedy, catsup eating Americans.

There are even ancient navigational maps showing the land mass under the ice caps..proving that it has not always been an ice covered wasteland. (maps which today could not be generated without xray satellite...thus proving their authenticity) Im betting they find evidence of all kinds of civilization under there.

Its nature. There are cycles. Epochs, Maps, and shorelines, are temporary...always have been.

All the speculation about what a terrible horrendous catastrophy is just that...speculation.
(although of COURSE there are going to be negative consequences in spots)
They fail to discuss how much arid land may then be farmable, how deserts change into lush tropical paradises, and how the jetstream MAY change in favorable ways with repect to  global rainfall becuase of the desalinization of the oceans..and a host of other hidden benefits.( I will try to find a more complete list later)..


But the point remains, that our climate has undergone much more drastic change in the past without our presence. It had to do with carbon dioxide production from naturally occuring volcanic activity. Matter of fact, the Ice age killed off a HUGE variety of plant and animal life, that were not able to stand the drop in temeratures. Its been stated that before the Ice age, (which is being debated whether volcanic activity spurred that on, as well) the entire earth was a temperate lush tropical landcape with approximately THREE times the total bio-mass it has today.

The end of the world, is going to end up being just a 'part of the world'.

ah i see clearly now. so none of the pollution that we make will make any difference or destroy any more of the environment? so we might as well cut down all the trees in the world because we(humans) need it ? and if i havent read it completely wrong, everyone that works for a better environment should just drop what they are doing because its going to get fucked up anyway? honestly, i would like to see my friends raise their children as a responsible part of the world around them.

I just re-read it to make sure...but my post didnt mention any of that.

It just clarified that despite our best efforts, the climate is going to change in one direction or another.
Ten volcanos disharging moderately and consistently for five years, will put out more carbon dioxide than the entire industrial revolution. On top of that we werent talking about toxic pollutants, or trees, we were talking about car emissions..ie carbon Diox- and Monoxides.

Im not so unreasonable as to suggest that we dont do what we can.
You should know that, but neither am i ready to assume responsibility or blame for a natural process that has been occuring for Millions of years without our influence.

Its depressing beyond words, what weve dont to our planet.
But i know the power of Big Business, and as much as I hate to say it,
a million people that care, cant stop the beast.

I think an emission free car is tremendous, but your going to need big business to embrace it, (and they wont) becuase theyve shown their willingness to smash all efforts at alternative energy, and underfund green energy concepts into obscurity.

Interestingly enough actually i have found recently that it might infact be the opposite - big business is cottoning on to this drive and it is infact Government that is holding things back. BP have in-fact started a lot of inititives and it is the governments that are holding things back and stopping legislations and initiatives like theirs to cut emissions and change the way people look at the environment and our responsibility towards it both for ourselves and future generations.

You are exactly right...governments tied...(like ours)
to the profitability of oil, so far, have held this back.

i stand corrected.

well i'll forgive you this time mate ;) ;)  but yeah actually thats more accurate your right its governments and their corporate ties that are holding things back - many companies though really are starting to change... why well not so much just because they want to look after the environment, but more importantly because they realise there is a ever growing market of environmentally conscious consumers who are looking for companies that offer such 'green' (er) approaches to things.

sounds good GS :) they're also doing a lot of valuable R&D as far as im aware. another big big thumbs up has to go to Honda who are doing all sorts of great stuff :D

btw on that note go play the "hate something, change something, make something better (http://multimedia.honda-eu.com/diesel/game/deploy/game.html) game ;) hehe boing!

I was flipping through the channels yesterday and for some reason I stopped on Oprah (don't ask)... she had a couple scientists on and Leonardo Decaprio (a huge environmentalist for those of you that don't know) talking about what we're contributing to global warming. Coal (electricity) produces billions of tons of carbon monoxide, cars right behind it, SUVs on top with an average of 15 miles per gallon, and the prius on bottom with 45 miles per gallon. I believe they said the US makes up 3% of the worlds population and 25% of the worlds pollution... and of the largest and most powerful nations we do the least to help.  Sorta selfish if you ask me, ruining the world for everyone else and doing practically nothing to help.

Yes, and while youre at it, please  ask the chinese and Indians to stop burning coal.
And then tell them to keep all their bikes...they wont need cars, as they roar into their industrial revolution.

You think we've contributed a lot..just wait five years.

Yep... China is only just scrapping at the surface of its immense coal reserves that are pouring into its industrial revolution.... they are simply going through that change that we made a while back.

However, they aren't going to change if they don't see other countries doing everything they can to help provide alternatives, and/or at least minimize the damage we are doing. If countries like China see Countries like the US refusing to commit to the Kyoto agreement, or making efforts to cut emissions - what incentive do they have to do it?

I bought a Ford once, it was Tempo, and boy that car sucked: at the time, i was told about the "Found On the Road Dead" thing, and i couldnt agree more. Since then, i bought a Mazda, wich is owned by Ford, and i'm very pleased with that car. It's not emission free, but it sure makes a better job that all those lousy V6 or V8 that some people love.

And don't forget, Ford has come a long way since the 80's (a time when even the CEO says they built "crap").  That Mazda you are driving is not only a product of a company owned by Ford...more than likely it is completely Ford under the skin and was built at a Ford plant.  The only car currently produced exclusively by Mazda is the RX8...everything else is a Ford car or truck with Mazda sheetmetal.[/size]  ;)