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I only hope that the rumors of an abandoned 12' powerbook aren't true: I would love to see a 12 or 13.3 widescreen PB with higher res with a powerful ATI card in it and maybe some Mhz more.

I also hope that the rumors of no speed gains aren't true. I would love to see a 1.9 - 2Ghz G4 7448 powerbook(7448 has been said to have 1.7Ghz but Apple always overclocks them).

My mom needs a powerbook so she could buy my beloved communtity sponsored one and I get a new one for just 100-200bucks =)

Bye,

Mauti

I need a DP G5 (hopfully Duel Core) running 2.5Ghz or more (pretty please)... PCIe with a shit hot graphics card inside, 1GB of DDR Ram (as standard, and cheap DDR ram so i can triple it) Massive bloody fast HD, oh and costing no more than about £2000. Oh perhaps with a 23inch apple display chucked in for free ;) ... yeah well wake me up when i stop dreaming.

Todays the big day and yet the 'rumor sites' really havnt' managed to well... there are reports of stores getting deliverys of new powermacs and powerbooks, there are rumours of a new 'pro iphoto on drugs' app for photographers, and there are rumors that really nobody knows what the hell is going to happen.

on the good side the venue is different so we might actually get near live feeds of what happens as the guests will (hopfully) have phone reception / wireless net access.

I had a look at the NVidia 6600 and well it didn't blow me away - i guess id depends which version of the card we get, but considering it (considering the imacs have now) will be PCIe there are some much better offerings now available!

Anyway latest rumor links at thinksecret (http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0510pro.html) and mac rumors (http://www.macrumors.com/) don't tell us much more... god damn im so inpatient! anyone heard anything else or know of any decently 'reliable' rumor sites?

What time does it start? And if you can convert that to U.S. Central Standard Time, I would really appreciate it.  ;)

lol.

Jacob K. Javits Convention Center at 12:00 Noon Eastern time.... which is 5PM GMT (/Zulu)

i'll let you work out the conversion ;)

Which makes life easy for me given that Zulu is exactly the same as GMT (which i of course run on!).

I can't work, i keep hopping  between going to the apple store and doing my 'fantasy shopping' session, reading up on all the Nvidia workstation graphics cards etc and the mac rumor sites...

my god this is one desperate BFG.

I'm desperate too...if they upgrade the PowerBooks enough I still have time to send my new one back!  ;)

We got new products in at the Apple Store yesterday... but I can't tell you which ones yet. If Hardware... or Software... which Hardware... ;)

Ok its 12:00 Already... why hasn't the show started!

- think secret (server stopped responding)
- mac daily news (server stopped responding)
- mac in touch (server stopped responding)

its quarter past and i don't see any information anywhere... civic can't remember where u got your info from last time but are they up and running? or do we have a network/phone net black out like last time?

David Moody, Apple vice-president for international marketing of products just entered the stage and announced that there will be new hardware and software today.

The 12" Powerbook got discontinued, the 15" got a bigger resolution (as big as the old 17" Powerbook now, 1440x900) and the new 17" Powerbook has the resolution of the 20" Apple Cinema Display (1680x1050).

New PowerMacs: All new configurations have Dual-Core chips, with PCI-Express and up to 16 GB RAM (533 MHz DDR2). :o The maximum HD capacity is 1 TB, still only 2 HD slots..

The 12" Powerbooks are still there, not discontinued, but there configurations didn't change.

• Is that DP Duel core - or a single duel core processor?
• 1GB max is ok - just means having an external set up as well (which most of us have) (i smell 2x500GB drives in a RAID ;) )

Prices: 12"-PowerBook 1.499 US$, 15" 1.999 US$ and the 17" PowerBook 2.499 US$.

Their batteries last 22% longer and they support one external 30" Cinema Display now. They're available from today.


It's not Steve Jobs who's doing the Keynote today.


The fastest "Quad"-System reaches 8 FPUs, 4 AltiVec-Engines und 4x 1 MB L2-Cache 76,6 Gigaflops! There's one DualCore-configuration with 2 GHz for 1,999 Dollar, a 2,3 GHz DualCore for 2,499 Dollar and a Quad (Dual-Dual-Core)-modell for 3,299 Dollar.

The prices of the Cinema Displays got decreased: 23" Display costs now 1.299 US$ (formerly 1.499 US$) and the 30"-modell is now 2.499 US$ (formerly 2.999 US$).

The new available graphics card in the new PowerMacs is the "Quadro FX 4500" by Nvidia.

(http://www.golem.de/0507/39549-quadrofx_4500.jpg)

Back in a moment, i need to put clean underwear on.

THATS ONLY £1800 !! MY GOD WHAT SPEED IS THAT RUNNING 2,3?

Rob Schoeben, vice president of applications marketing, enters the stage and announces "Aperture". An application for professional photographs, post-production. "A kind of Final Cut Pro for picture editing." I'm not gonna explain all features of the app... too much text.

.mac users will be able to upload pictures to their accounts from the app and even order high res prints from Apple online.

The both lower configurations have Single Dual-Core, only the top modell has Dual Dual-Core.


Little sum up:

My god, thats the top end workstation graphics card!!!

Quadro FX 4500   

Memory Size                           512MB
Memory Interface                     256-bit
Graphics Memory Bandwidth       33.6GB/sec.
Graphics Bus                         PCI Express


The NVIDIA Quadro®  set a new bar for workstation graphics, shattering the limits of performance, programmability, precision, and quality for professional CAD, DCC, and scientific applications. The NVIDIA Quadro ultra-high end GPUs feature a revolutionary new architecture with 2x the geometry and fill rate, 5x the hardware pixel read-back performance and 1.25x the memory bandwidth of previous generation workstation graphics, and support up to 512MB ultra-fast GDDR3 memory. Implementation of rotated-grid FSAA introduces far greater sophistication in the multi-sampling pattern, significantly increasing color accuracy and the visual quality of edges and lines without compromising performance.

holy crap, a quick seach and this card is currently for sale for aproximatly $2479.00

lol, it'll probably be available as BTO-option, boosting the price to over $5000. ::lol::

Btw, Aperture will be available from November for $479.

Apple Stores are back online.


Update: You can add the Quadro FX4500 for 1650$, lol.

they're sure taking their time updating the rest of the site...

any announcement on GhR3 ???  ::lol::

Since when does Apple announce games, eh? Stupid mexican. ::ass:: ;D


On-Topic: Upgrading the RAM to 16GB as BTO-option is $11900. w00t, Monster-Macs! :o ::lol:: Recent high-end 512mb graphics card... 16GB RAM...

On a more serious note, I'm sure that Macs will be compatible to all kinds of PC hardware (and maybe Software also) once we have Intel-Macs. Graphics cards etc... maybe only slight driver updates, which would be easy because of x86, but we won't need special versions anymore with long delays after the PC versions got released. Can't wait, Macs are gonna pwn!

GhR3 is probably gonna be more of a X360 title, although we might see it on a computer soon, although it's been delayed to next year :)

A Swedish company is developing it ^^ (not DICE)

Not by much, though, it was announced for the end of this year for PC but has now been delayed to February 2006 for all platforms (including XBox 360 and PC).


http://www.apple.com/powermac/
http://www.apple.com/aperture/
http://www.apple.com/powerbook/

Finally the PowerMac comes with quite decent graphics card. Btw did you notice that on some news coverage pages it was mentioned that 4 new graphic cards are available. However they aren't on the PowerMac site, but you can find a NVidia 7800 on the Aperture site(but the 6600 is left out - some bugs!???):

One of the following graphics cards:
ATI Radeon X800 XT Mac Edition
ATI Radeon 9800 XT or 9800 Pro
NVIDIA GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL or 6800 GT DDL
NVIDIA GeForce 7800 GT <- !!!!
NVIDIA Quadro FX 4500

omg, i was kidding about the GhR3, thing!

The new line of macs looks so so sexy cant wait for intel based macs... a land where mac users are no longer second class citizens.

You mean you guys are still going to wait for Intel macs?   No way baby can i wait that long - Im still on a DP 1Ghz G4... moving to a single 2.7Ghz G5 would be a big jump, but im going to send myself into orbit and get the daddy!

ps, i don't expect the first Gen. of intel macs to be awesome, maybe by the second year etc when intel really ramp the processors up - but you still have to have the application support from the big boys ready... anway what are we missing here - we have everything we could want!

Yeah, the 7800 GT doesn't appear in the Apple Stores as BTO option yet. Only the 6600 LE and the Quadro FX4500 for the 2Ghz modell, the 6600 and the Quadro FX4500 for the 2.3Ghz and the 2.5Ghz modells.
It's probably not all updated and synchronized yet. Should be fixed by tomorrow.

And suddenly im having serious doubts as to whether i should do this... long long did we reckon before the intel powermacs came out?

heh, it would cost an additional £1,150 for the Quadro FX card lol, Thats more than a iMac!


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lol i just maxed everything out

Specifications

16GB 533 DDR2 ECC SDRAM - 8x2GB
2x500GB Serial ATA - 7200rpm
Apple Cinema HD Display (30" flat panel)
Apple Cinema HD Display (30" LCD)
QUADRO FX 4500 512MB SDRAM
Fibre Channel PCI Express Card (w/SFP-SFP cable)
AirPort Extreme + Bluetooth
Apple Keyboard & Mighty Mouse
Mac OS X
• One FireWire 800 port
• Two FireWire 400 ports
• Three USB 2.0 ports

Total: £16,436.01
£2,447.92 of that total is just the VAT  :o :o


-- Btw, GS if you really do get one of these things i want a full in-depth analysis ;)

Well, I have a Dual 2.3Ghz G5 with 3.75GB RAM and ATi X800XT... so I don't really have a need to spend this much money for a new Mac yet. ;) The next Mac I'll buy is an Intel-Mac, if the 1st generation already, depends on what it offers and how the overall hardware/software situation by that time is. We'll see, but it'll be a 2nd gen Intel-Mac for sure at the latest for me.

BFG the Quadro isn't meant for gaming - the normal 7800 is almost as good in gaming as the quadro is. I guess the quadro pays off in 3D modelling if at all.

http://www.apple.com/powermac/graphics.html

Yep, the Quadro FX4500 isn't MUCH better as some benchmark pictures on the Apple website show, but it's mainly the features it offers you pay so much more for (like "stereo-in-a-window"). The 7800 GT is only about $380 as retail graphics card, compared to the $1650+ of the Quadro.

yeah there is no way id go buy the quadro ;) - and gaming isn't the priority here - its Rendering in Apple Motion / AfterEffects - and rendering/playback in FCP   .. gaming comes after those.

I just want to make sure that four years down the line this computer is still going to do what i need it to without apple screwing things around and really pushing people to move to intel macs... and then again i don't want to spend this amount of money on somthing that is going to be shot to pieces by a first gen intel.  (although really what can they add to this that is going to make a really huge difference, this thing has 4 bloody processing units!!)

Alright... thanks to Ethion who found first pics and benchmarks to the today released Dual-Core Powermacs (unfortunately not the Quad-Core, but it's not available yet) and pics of the new 17" PowerBook.

http://www.civic-mac.de/stuff/New%20Power%20Macintosh%20G5%202.3%20DualCore.pdf (Xbench 2.1 Benchmark Results for: Dual-Core 2.3Ghz G5, Dual-Core 2.0Ghz G5 and the old Dual 2.5Ghz G5)

http://www.civic-mac.de/stuff/New%20Powerbook%20G4%2017%22.pdf (Pictures of the new 17" PowerBook)

I was curious and just made a benchmark of my Dual 2.3Ghz G5 (3.75GB RAM, ATi X800XT, etc) with Xbench 2.1. Properly after a reboot, of course, and I'm including the results to the benchmarks from the first PDF file:

CPU Test:
2.3 Dualcore: 114,32
2.0 Dualcore: 101,55
2.5 Dual: 122,25
2.3 Dual: 113.87

Thread test:
2.3 Dualcore: 113,74
2.0 Dualcore: 96,91
2.5 Dual: 125,90
2.3 Dual: 116.08

Memory test:
2.3 Dualcore: 121,99
2.0 Dualcore: 110,32
2.5 Dual: 103,73
2.3 Dual: 101.39

Quartz graphics:
2.3 Dualcore: 126,64
2.0 Dualcore: 107,07
2.5 Dual: 125,76
2.3 Dual: 121.97

Open GL:
2.3 Dualcore: 135,38
2.0 Dualcore: 113,27
2.5 Dual: 125,63
2.3 Dual: 142.20

User Interface:
2.3 Dualcore: 121,58
2.0 Dualcore: 118,98
2.5 Dual: 99,94
2.3 Dual: 103.25

Disk Test:
2.3 Dualcore: 66,0
2.0 Dualcore: -
2.5 Dual: 69,3
2.3 Dual: 54.19

TOTAL:
2.3 Dualcore: 108,7
2.0 Dualcore: 102.5
2.5 Dual: 105,9
2.3 Dual: 99.11

Note: The Dual-Core G5 2.0Ghz uses the Nvidia GeForce 6600 LE (128MB) and the Dual-Core with 2.3Ghz uses the 6600 (256MB). Also, both only have the standard 512MB RAM. I guess that the Dual 2.5 uses an ATi Radeon 9650 with 256MB RAM and 512MB RAM also.

(http://images.apple.com/powermac/images/indexcreativechart20051018.jpg)

 ;)

And for Anyone who rather likes the English language (http://media.99mac.se/g5_dualcore/)

As you can see the 2.3 GHz Dual Core machine is marginally faster than a water-cooled 2.5GHz Dual G5 with a souped-up graphics card. The largest difference is in memory performance, not in the actual processors according to our tests with Xbench. We want to point out that this testing method isn't completely failsafe but should mostly be seen as a hint of the new machine's performance.

Conclusion
The Power Macintosh G5 is better than ever and this is likely the last major update that we will see before the transition to Intel- processors. Apple has polished the details and the new processors gives some extra power. Because the exterior is largely exchanged this feels more like a "speedbump" even if the processor-switch is more significant than that.

Performance-wise, one Dual Core processor doesn't make for a large difference compared to two old G5 processors. We predict that the new Quad 2.5GHz Powermac will make for a performance increase of 70% or more.

Why would you dump $3299 (US) on a product that will likely be the last update before Intel? I don't see the logic unless you need extreme power for Legacy Apps. As a side note, games announced by Aspyr to be in x86 development [sounds funny to say]:

-Doom 3
-The Sims 2
-Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic
-Jedi Academy

This is all basically to GS's comment that he's upgrading so also: GhR will run in Rosetta, and likely so will RvS with the current expected specifications. I don't know what will be done with AA, but honestly the way they have hesitated on 2.5 I just don't know what to think there.

Besides games, what do you do with your computer GS?

To civic's Xbench post; The lower the score the better? I would rather they had run CineBench. Anyway, I guess these are decent upgrades, however I'm a bit disappointed that the couldn't get a bit more clock speed out of these chips since they were announced by IBM mid this year.

The Powerbooks were much more disappointing, basically being a RAM and Resolution update. I guess they can justify doing a January update after such a minor bump. I guess the G4 has reached its end in the Powerbook line, and all I can do is smirk. Good bye to bad FSBs... in Jan/Feb... hopefully.... please...

Well, games are on the bottem-end of what I use my mac for.  Mainly, I use it for Photoshop, video editing, working on my veteran's tributes websites, converting VHS tapes to DVD, burning music CD's, spec'ing and ordering vehicles for the dealership, and...

well, PORN!  hehehe[/size]

No, the higher the better. And they couldn't get more out of these processors, it's the most they could get out of them already, as they did with the former version (to 2.7Ghz, overclocked). Maybe they can do it again and overclock the top-modell to a Quad-Core 2.7Ghz... but that's very unlikely. This is probably the last PowerMac revision before the Intel-Macs. Same goes for the PowerBooks.

And most games will probably run with Rosetta... and all more recent ones, or games which were successful in case of sales and are worth it, will get updates. The ones they already announced that they are updating for x86 are easy because they were completely, or at least partly, developed in Xcode.

@ GhostSniper: this is probably for you ;-): https://abs.apple.com/transition/index.html

Apple's Self Service Transition Program to exchange recently bought products with newer ones.

Btw one thing I missed is that the PowerMac has 4 PCI-Express slots and therefore could support up to 4!!!! NVidia 7800 graphic cards = 8 23' Apple Screens or 2 quadros = 4 30' screens,... and the CoreVideo as well as CoreImage are really taking off = muahahaha this thought makes me insane!

I could have my 2 30' for working, while I have another 30' in the living room and another 30' in the kitchen and I could run movies/DVDs on 2 of those while I work on my other 2 screens. Well I guess another PowerMac would come me cheaper, jut the imagination drives me insane. ;-)

Mauti

You should keep in mind that the dual-cores is only one processor, if I am right?

One processor with two cores, yes, dual-core. Comparable to dual single-cores (former modells), but the new ones have several other aspects which make them signifcantly faster in certain areas. And then there's the new quad-core... or dual dual-core... I call it fondly "monster". *drool*

You naughty boy ;)

According to Apple's "Hardware > Power Mac G5 > PCI Express" page, you can have a max of two Quadros or 7800s, or four 6600s.  But then on the "Graphics" page, the table shows that both the 7800 and 6600 take up one PCIe slot, while the Quadro takes two.  Hrmm...

Each time i visit the Apple store to "dream buy" my Duel Core Duel Processor G5, i see only two options for graphics cards:

• Quadro  FX 4500
or
• GeForce 6600

... which is anoying because i would select the GeForce 7800 GT (depending on the price)
i thought this was a bug before.. but it dosn't seem to have changed at all!

"The Apple guy I spoke to at sales said the new 7800 GT card will be a $500.00 option when available. He couldn't say when though." There seem to be availability issues with this card.

And btw, iTunes 6.0.1 got realeased via Software Update.

$500 = about £280 heh... ouch.

All of which leads me to think there is no way i can afford to upgrade, so its going to be a case of investing in a new sleeping bag for all the nights spent on the couch while this thing chugs its way through the renders.

So you go into debt for a little while, big deal. ;)

http://forums.luxology.com/discussion/topic.aspx?id=3717

And btw... the "$500" for the 7800GT is not an official BTO price.

Hmmm Ive just been looking at RAM and what the cost is on the apple store... we all know that it costs more from apple but did you know by just how much? well there are seriouse RAMifications (hahah im sorry i couldn't resist) by getting it from apple... for instance:

Crucial.co.uk are selling 2GB packs (thats 2x 1GB module) of DDR2 PC2-4200 • UNBUFFERED • NON-ECC  ram... for only £136.99 ex. VAT

Thats about $242 dollars for an additional 2GB of DDR2 RAM... Good deal!

:MoD:Saberian will insist that Apple's Ram is "Apple Certified" but does it really matter if you can get the same RAM for a serious cut in price?

hehe cos sab ain't biased ;) True, very true, but at the same time these guys often guarentee 100% compatability etc and money back if your not satified... and more than often the actual ram is exactly the same as what apple offers!

 and 6.0.1 does what exactly?

Just says:

I think there might be some other things i there as well - you have to re-register your other macs that you want to be able to play tunes you bought from the itunes store.. which suggests there are modifications to the  DRM stuff etc... but thats a shot in the dark. it all runs fine though!

initial benchmarks for the duel core G5's are in! (http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/10/25/dualcorebenchmarks/index.php)


edit:

oh yes and this :D

'Apple is now offering the NVidia GT video card as a Build to order option on the PowerMac G5 configurations. The video card from NVidia utilizes the new PCI Express architecture introduced on the new PowerMacs.

The 7800 card is a $400 upgrade for Dual 2.0 G5 buyers and a $350 upgrade for Dual 2.3/Quad 2.5 buyers. Apple provides a comparison chart of the various cards offered on the new PowerMacs.'