*DAMN R6 Forum

We played a practice CB vs. Ghra today and on Ghost Town Phara was caught glitching on the hill.  He was caught shooting while laying prone and also Ahab was unable to hit him.  This should be an immediate ban for the season, same treatment Rabbit got.  Here's the replay http://members.aol.com/thepunisher428/Pharacheating.zip

if someone glitches...usually the other team gets that map win.  This is in no way the same situation that rabbit was in.

That and the CB is called forfeit 6-0, at least that's how it used to be.

pg. 8 in the rules:

"If  the  accusation  of  glitching  has  been  proved  (replay,  screenshot,  etc.)  that 
specific  game  will  be  turned  into  a  win  for  your  clan.   If  the  CB  ends  in  a  tie 
as  a  result  of  cheating, your clan wins the CB.  If the proven glitching accusation does
not affect the  result of the CB, only the score will be modified.  If a clan is caught
glitching twice in a  CB, the non-cheating clan will win by way of a forfeit win by the
score of 6 - 0. "

Had this been an actual CB, warning points would have been issued, not a ban.

From the *DBL Rules:

"If the accusation of glitching has been proved (replay, screenshot, etc.) that specific game will be turned into a win for your clan.  If the CB ends in a tie as a result of cheating, your clan wins the CB.  If the proven glitching accusation does not affect the result of the CB, only the score will be modified.  If a clan is caught glitching twice in a CB, the non-cheating clan will win by way of a forfeit win by the score of 6-0.

If you think you glitched, and gained an advantage (specifically winning that game), you can immediately nullify that game and replay it without any penalty or warning points."

-GhostSniper Out.[/size]


Ah, thanks Twist...[/size]

Actually guys I think he is trying to make a point about how the ruling for Rabbit was done. I know im not  the expert and I wont pretend to be, but Rabbit was banned for a season in a game that was on a public server (even tho this cb in question is just a pcb), however, I don't recall any rules for public games in the *DBL PDF document I have.

Maybe this isn't the best way about going about this Pun. I have not looked at the replay and I don't feel the need to. Phara is a pretty stand up guy but then again so is Rabbit. All this cheating business has really gotten out of hand.

If there were more clear rules for cheating and not leaving the Admin Team to try to deal with these on a case by case basis because there is not prior process set in place, then there were probably be no need for incidents like this to occur. The *DBL Admin Team does try to make fair desicions, and you must understand its not always based on perfect information. This does not mean that I fully agree with the punishment that Rabbit has been dealt with.

i see this as a way for =US= to try to push their hard feelings onto someone else.

i personally do not agree with the harsh punishment that rabbit got for his not-yet proven "hacks". with this new replay / accusation i can more clearly see what gameranger is going to be like in the future. this was a glitch. people glitch in public servers all the time .. noobs or not.

i feel that since the typhy incident in the raven shield community the ghost recon side of gameranger is finding anyway that they can to bust someone to be like "hey, cool. i caught a cheater in GHOST RECON. this has never happened before so put some fame on me" .. do you guys think this a little lame that you have to stretch all the way to GLITCHING to get attention like a ban , or suspention ?

get over it ..

find a real cheater

No I don't think its lame.  I think it's important to point out who glitches so everybody knows they need to look out for these people more when they clan battle.  I don't understand why there wouldn't at least be warning points toward the Ghra clan since the rabbit situation was also just a regular game on a public server but the battle league took action against it anyway.  The Admin's put themeselves into this situation, not me.  They were the ones that decided to break their own *DBL rules and take action against a public server game.

I think your misinterpriting "glitching" from "hacking." If what you say about phara is true, then it's a comon mistake and the cb round should be voided. Hacking on the other hand, aka using a texture hack to shoot through walls is a completely different situation and is delt with very harshly. Besides, the preseason is over so no cbs that you play untill the regular season wouldn't count towards anything, there for no one would be given warning points anyways. Whether Rabbit cheated or not, thats something that you need to take up the the DBL Admins, not slander other clan's members as a way to vent your frustration.

Jerk has it exactly right. We followed the policy on cheating in rabbits situation. This however is merely a glitch, and is covered by the *DBL rules.

I did take the rabbit situation up with the admin's and they didn't give me their replay or proof of a cheat being used.  I can tell you they didn't give me anything because they have no proof, and the rumored replay they created to recreate what Rabbit did was just information they posted to make it seem like they have hacks and know how they work.  I just want fair treatment.  
There are no wall hacks, even if you modify or tamper with the Ghost Recon data files GameRanger gives you an error and doesn't let you join a Ghost Recon room because it detects you have tampered with the files.  It's physically impossible to make a wall go invisible, because walls aren't tagged in 3DS Max with a transparent alpha channel, although the inexperienced modder wouldn't know this.  

The rabbit issued is closed. We weighed the situation and the admins felt that the ban was warrented. End of discussion. Phara glitched, therefore the pcb is your win.

By the way, this is a personal issue between two clans, outside the purview of *DAMN. It wasn't an official cb, no points were awarded. The issue should have been settled immeaditly. There's no need to bring every little glitch here, and there's no need to blow up this small issue in order to try and re-ignite the rabbit discussion. I don't think theres much more to say here.

The DBL punishes actions commited in public rooms?

Apparently.

Punisher has a point, but when someone glitches in a public room, and not even on purpose then i think its bullshit to get banned for that, and i talk cause i have experiences with that.

its also silly to post a thread about this, when you had a friendly clanbattle with the GhRa guys, and then you come in here and call phara a cheater, when he does a glitch - everyone does that, sometime and its not always you know it.

I can understand Punishers madness tho.

*DAMN decided to ban rabbit, nobody can do anything about it now.

z][t-Stripes

Honestly, the DBL should not ban someone for their actions in a public room, nor should those kind of accusations be brought here.  This is a Battle League, not the ghr/RvS government of GR.  The guy glitched, you caught him, GhRa and him are embarrased by that fact.  Leave it at that.  Rabbit is a whole other story. 

(Im sure you arent trying to get people banned)

Because that really isnt very respectable.

My 2 cents

In that matter, you are talking black dark.

Rabbit was in a public room too, when he got caught " bugging "

I must admit, what have happend to rabbit on stronghold happened to me too, plenty times - and no i'm not trying to get banned here, but i just wanna know if i'm a cheater, if Ghr has some bugs on some maps. And i know i'm not the only one out there, who thinks this thread is silly - someone needs to lock it, phara is in no way a cheater, rabbit was just unlucky he had a bug in that game and all this RvS cheating was getting dealed about, i think Admins  was a bit too fast at the ruling.

Just being honest.

z][t-Stripes

The *DBL admin team is in no way a GameRanger police, as we have decided a long time ago. However if someone is caught cheating beyond the level of glitching we can't wait that the person in question may doesn't use it in cbs and so we are enforcing bans. Another reason is that most cheats are more difficult to find than persons glitching, so we hit the brake while we have the chance to do so.

Due the reason how cheats work differentely, the *DBL may can't always provide the complete information to the public, due the fear of misuse. However we don't have any interest to ban people, if we don't think it is justified and have enough proof to do so.

Regards,

Mauti & the *DBL admin team

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Stripes, I was trying NOT to bring up rabbit, seeing as the rabbit decision is final.  I just dont think that disciplinary action should be taken by the DBL for peoples actions in regular games.  Or in non-DBL sanctioned games.


To Mauti:

Just so you know, I wasnt trying to say the DBL was acting as the GR police, I was saying that it shouldnt.  Im not sure if you thought that so...

I agree that the DBL should not interfere unless it is more severe than glitching.

you guys jumped to conclusions when you saw the replay.

Punisher, this is exactly what we don’t want to happen in the community - everyone crying CHEEEEAAAT at any given opportunity. Next time you decide to go on a witch hunt, at least have the courtesy to read the rules first, so you know what a cheat is. You might have been treated unfairly with Rabbit’s ban, but this is just plain silly.

if we where gonna post a post everytime someone glitches and bring it up with damn, we would be wasting alot of peoples time. the rules are clear and most people know the rules of the dbl on this matter. every clan should know ALL the rules. especially the clanleader. bringing up a glitch by phara on a well known rule is a waste of time. sorry Punisher, but you should know the rules before posting something that you know will raise a debate. but you brought this up to raise question about rabbit again, right? i do agree that the banning of rabbit seems harsh when there are so many different views and opinions on his "cheating" and on top of it, its in a public room. i dont think its a dbl matter. it certainly should have been brought up to the dbl, but not a ban from you. help to watch replays and joint clan replay watching could have been the more "fair" way to handle this. sure, the situation with rabbit is weird...but damn does lag and ghr do alot of funky shit now and then. is he proven guilty? because its pretty harsh to ban someone on a maybe.

if i bust someone cheating on my server or even "playing weird" i would bring it up with that person, review it with my boys and probably a couple of other clan leaders. and if i have proof, i'll ban him and tell everyone else who serves, that he's a cheating bitch.

and i agree, its does seem that people are getting a little too eager to bust a cheater in ghr. i really think that most of us are so experienced now, that we will quickly see or notice something that is fishy. in my opinion, someone who cheats in ghr - sucks in the game and needs extra help to get kills. that doesnt only make them loosers, but it also makes them bad players. wow, now that i i think of it...cheating in a game that has been around for so long lol...they must really suck.

This is being silly, =US= Punisher. I agree completely with Joe and Rampage's posts.

Phara glitched. But isnt it obviously that he didn't do it on purpose? He was just camping the wz. Suddenly shots next to him. He lays down. Don't you  guys lay down if someone trys to shoot you? It's just GhR, this game is old and full of bugs.

=US=, what you guys are doing here is so fawking incredible. In this cb you guys glitched on MBC according to Maily. But you just refused to give us the replay. I'm sure that you saved it, tho.

One day later I  see this lame thread here. That's just sad =US=, really sad.

Tin

Enough, this isn't an issue for the *DBL, take the discussion on GR or over PM's.

I'm closing this thread now.