*DAMN R6 Forum

... I looked for the problem-box, but wasnt really sure if that was the correct place to put
following request to admin-team:

Core is rebuilding clansite + forum these days, and for graphic reasons we would ask if it was possible to get all those glossy winner-icons we won in previous seasons. ( I believe we still have Season 3 + 5 somewhere, but thats about it ).
I am also wondering if there is a link to them, that we can use for DBL-forum use.



Season : 3
Status : Winner
Game :  Ghost Recon
Clanname : ViRuS

Season : 5
Status : Winner
Game : Ghost Recon
Clanname: Core   | ! | 

Season : 7
Status : Winner
Game :  Raven Shield
Clanname: Core   | ! |

Tourney 2004
Status : Winner
Game : Raven Shield
Clanname :  Core  | ! |

Season : X
Status :  Winner
Game :  Raven Shield
Clanname : Core  | ! |


If this request exceed the means of the admin-team right now, due to preseason activities, I guess we could also just make our own versions of the various seasons - but all in all it would be best to use the "official" stuff, I guess.


Best regards
| ! |  Flies

P.S. Good luck to the admin team in Season XI




Edit : all above mentioned wins are related to the "team-ladder"

I know its a bit off-topic but...since flies is asking for the season X winners icon, could we have ours also please.

Thanks!  ::bussi::

and cO's tourney 2005 GhR icons ;D

the icons are more mauti than the admin team.

if core got deleted from the *dbl, does this mean that their past season wins are invalid?

Oh gee - i almost forgot how these forums work.

 ::)

Guys - dont come here trying to fumble your way in on my simple, unpolitical and ( assumed to be) pretty straight forward request. ....grmbl.

Frizbee, what you imply would make cause for discussion. I dont think there was ever thought of giving badges to the clan that had most points in open season.

However...what you think or not think on that matter - plz make your own thread about it.
I am sure it will be interesting.

Spike :  I am addressing the admin-team / Mauti / DBL ...whoever. And I of course hope for a positive answer. If you as admin get in contact with the right person, plz do mention it, will ya ?

The deal is not a super-urgent matter, but sometime within the next 10 days would be great.
We are getting pretty finished with our lay-outs for site and forum.

I would really like to keep a simple request like this free of any fuzz.
But as Krush mentions, it would be nice to get those badges we battled so hard for.
Some of the badges Core might simply have lost somewhere - admitted. But whatever - if its not that big a deal, I would just be glad to get the graphics - and maybe even the links for use in this forum.

Best regards
Flies


Edit :
you dont take any medals back, if the guy that got them is no more.
I am a bit surprised you could even ask such a question Spike.
What would you do with the winners of the the first 2 seasons then ?
Make their old records invalid since they havent signed up for 5 years ?

LOL

When an athelete retires do they take away His/Her gold medals?

You all didnt retire, you severed ties with the *DBL in quite a forceful and almost insulting way. After doing so I cant think of why you would want the medals from a place that you have claimed to dispise so much. Anyway, I was just curious, and we will get you the icons.

On that note ?

Like I said, I almost forgot how these forums works.
Spike - do you want me to public what reasons Core gave the admins, for checking out of the *DBL ?
It would be a completely wast eof time i guess, but i would gladly do it.

First of all - in this matter you are a  DBL-admin.

Somehow you have now managed to make a completely simple request ending up
as being a superpolitical issue.

You have even made it grow into something that to me looks like what in these forums is called
"bate", by starting to give very personal and subjective indications and remarks.
If I ate your "bate" I would now start to argue with you wehter or not core or the admins did this and that in present time.
And nobody really gives a DAMN about it, you see.

In short Core left for two reasons :

A: We felt something superfishy was going on, in the way MP5 and Typhy got their way around, as well on the CB-field as in the dealing with the admins.

B: We felt the attitude from the admins, and the way they never really couldnt get a simple thing going, by giving consistent and straight rules and answers, were mudding the waters so much that there were no real reason to beleive it would be otherwise in the future. Granted, we knew that it wasnt all admins that did this by purpose. But in the end we didnt care wether it was due to too less training before being admin in superfinals or it was related to personal interests.

Some months passed.

We have now seen that "justice has been done " according to point A : The Typhy-thing.

When that happened, Core started to become active here again.
We thought - stupid us - that it maybe also indicated that point B was getting solved.

It shouldnt surprise anyone if we now take a step backwards again.
A f...cking simple request for something we already have been granted and fought for - the stupid badges - is being put into some personal and almost hatefull perspective.

God knows what will be judged in the upcoming season if this is the way around even before season has started.

And to be specific :
Until now every clan - no matter how many times they have played in the DBL has had to sign up for every new season.

Core - as well as any other clan - is automatically resigned from the ladder in between seasons.
The only difference this time is, that we asked for it to be done ASAP.

* We didnt cheat
* We didnt leave before time ( like other clans have done - in middle of finals)
* We accepted all rulings by admins
* We didnt make any fuzz concerning the whereabouts of other competitors in the semifinals.

In short - I think we earned those badges Spike.

Thats what I have felt every time out of those 5 times we have won the *DBL
- and its pretty offending to be the overall most winning clan on DAMN ever,
and yet have to get a treatment like this.

You are an admin and you speak in open forum.
I therefore take your words as the words from the full admin team.

I will act according to that.

All contacts regarding mailaddresses and links for the badges can be done by contacting me on GameRanger, or let Mauti mail me.

Best regards
Flies

Ya we'll take ours too, with an astrix of course.

Flies, I was merely curious as to why you would return after your absence, I didn't require a four page post in reply. I am glad that core has returned after the justice that was done (typhy) and I hope you will find the admin team to be more helpful than last time around. Again, the icons are created by Mauti, but  we will do all we can to help you get them. Sorry about the confusion, I didn't mean to cause any ruckus, and I hope to see you on the battlefield in the future (for what would the rvs ladder be without the winnest clan in *DAMN history?;) )

btw I deleted your post in the problem box because a) you dont precisely have a problem, and b) because you had posted a thread about it. i know there was some confusion about posts being moved/split last time, so I just wanted to explain.

Yeah...hmmm....well...

Damn you Spike. Good answer.

No prob about the deleted post thing.
I just posted there afterwards, to make sure I didnt do something wrong.

If my reply really takes up four pages on your screenresolution, plz make sure you come to see Core for a CB soon. I cant wait to get your corners.

We suck at RvS for the time being - sometimes I almost feel we do too much gay-sex instead of pressing fingers towards plastic-buttons in the hope to get a virtual badge, that noone around us understand a single bit/byte about.

Should the badge come with an " astrix" ... I think it would be a neverending reminder to me, that season X proved its better to walk the walk than talk the talk.

Core already from the start knew we werent "hot" that season. A lot of gamers in daily online life could beat us up pretty bad. But at least we danced. We signed up for the ladder, and we did all those boring, complicated negotiations, that noone remembers as being a tough part of a season as well.

If I should end this up in a more positive tone, I would make my deepest request that in the future gaming you tried to implement regular CB-days. A bit like Buccaneer tried on his ladder, before he went pissed on everybody.

With a weekly CB-time  ( 2 times a week - 3 times a week, I dont care) we would know that when we got online, we werent substituting sex for simple no-can-do excuses all the time.

So Spike, while you wait for Mauti to create/find those icons, plz think if it was worth the effort to discuss with your fellow admins if we should start seasons with scheduled cb-nights.

My clanmembers are so horny I got to have a better excuse to lure them behind their computers, than just a " maybe we have a who-knows deal " with clan X for tonite.

Best regards
| ! |  Flies

I've never liked the idea of scheduled cbs. I've always felt that this is an online gaming league, and it shouldn't run your life, or dictate when you get on or off the computer. However, I can see the advantages to it. Less confusion about cbs, more garenteed cbs, and less time wasted looking for a cb.

Scheduled cbs also bring up a whole host of other issues. What if the clan doesnt show, is late, what happens if a clan member has to go etc etc etc. Life doesn't always allow for everything, and we would have to come up with a whole host of new rules governing when cbs can happen, when they cant and the procedure for dealing with. Right now, we have no need of those rules.

But of course, the admin team is always open to any ideas that y'all have. I don't think I quite understood your exact system. Do you mean having two or three cb days a week? Having a few hours yet aside twice a week for cbs? What exactly would be your system?

Well, I just saw that we won regular season in the hall of fame so i thought we must have some icon since the super final winners have one...

That was always my opinion when I was an admin but it all depends on what the clans are willing to do.

the funny thing is,
that exactly same argument drives me to the conclusion that specific CB-nights would be a better option.

Knowing that you would actually get some CB´s, and not end up with a full gaming-nite spent on various trivial discussions and negotiations, would certainly bring the fun back to me.

I also think thats a very important reason why the finals / superfinals have become so successful.

But its a huge discussion how you would do it - and going into that, would make me feel i walked a path i already stepped so many times before.

Best regards
Flies

Well setting specific times/days would be problematic and dictating. Better to maybe say each clan must play eachother a minimum of once and set a realistic maximum. It stops the bullshit deals that locked us out 2 seasons running. Works for hmm just about every competition, league, tournament in history. Why not damn.

RgR Sin,

I tried to make a bit more specific suggestion in the
" *DBL Rule Changes for Season XI "

its just a thought on how we could slowly get a bit of a rythm into the cb-ing,
without dictating stuff. 
I know my suggestion doesnt solve all the bs-possibilities, but hey- it maybe a start.


Best regards
| ! |  Flies

What about one day a week at some set time similar to the Finals and any clans that cb get some type of bonus. This wouldn't be anything that is required for clans to come to, but hopefully the bonus would encourage them.

Good point Mono

Bonus-cb´s + the back-up from admins at those "default-hours" would make it attractive for clans and clanmembers to be online all togheter, and - perhaps - at same time minimize the forum-grumbling over cb´s that went wrong. all probs will most likely be sorted out during the CB-night.

| ! |  Flies

Update

Its been 2 weeks without any reaction / mail concerning the icons and/or links.

I dont wanna push things if the ppl in question are too busy to give us the stuff needed.
But a little reply from someone would be nice.

Flies

Sure I gonna look for the icons.

About season X icons - I'm not sure: how is it in professional sports like Formula 1, if someone gets disqualified does the sport union keep the pokal and just the points are handed over or both!?

Bye,

Mauti
*Update*: Icons have been sent to you Flies.

 ::)

First of all, thank you for the mail,
including the icons from Season 3 + 5 + 7 + tourney.
All cool.

But.... I dont know why you ask us, or the community, or whoever you ask,
when it comes to the Icons for Season X.

You are the admins - you decide.
We just participated.

I wouldnt in my wildest dreams have thought that there could be the least of discussion on this.
We already discussed this earlier in this topic, so I fear I might be repeating myself.

When I first saw that Core was declared winners, and MP5 was banned for possible ( most likely)
use of cheats during the season, I just gave the OK to Sinister, to finish the lay-out for our new website, with that icon to be included as well.
None of us could find all the icons, so I just promised I would go ask for them, in the hope we got some icons in same format/size.

So - if the *DBL wants to end up with a full season more or less just being kinda vacuumed out of ppls memory because of one clan´s failure to follow basic rules, then by all means do so.
We of course feel its a bit strange to have participated in both open season and finals, and yet just get a feeling that the "hard work" doesnt give us anything else than a shamefull feeling when asking for the results of the verdict made by the admins.

You might wanna rephrase the question to :
" Should we or should we not act like there actually was a Season X ? "

I think there was a Season X.  And I think it would be smart not to let MP5 once again - and this time even "postmortal" - make it all so blurry.

But like said : I just asked for the icons - i didnt ask for miles of discussion.
Wether or not Core ( and C-clan for that matter, in a previous season) should have the icons, is absoultely a question we cant answer for you.

Too biased, sry.
 ;)


Best regards
| ! |  Flies

lol can i ask for the [tribe] looser icon for season 1 to ....!!! or maybe a participating star

thx mauti

gl & hf

Now when Flies already is asking, and i don't wanna start a new thread about it, i wrote Mauti a pm on the forums without any response. Maybe he forgot to check it - i dunno?

Spike promised some icons for the *DBL Pre-season winner, and a place in the hall of fame?

When will these be sent, i can understand if admins is too busy etc with the new upcoming season, just wanted a clear answer.



z][t-Stripes

In my recolection the pre-season, isnt something thats noted in professional gaming.  I think the hall of fame should be only for season winners, the pre-season wasnt exactly taken seriously by most clans out there.  It was more a time of fun cb's than extreme competition like in the seasons. 


Sure, give em icons, but its a PRE-season right now.  Like in all sports its when the B players play alot and its just a warmup for the regular season.


Dark.

LOL


Alright.. Dark, you tell me nobody toke the pre-season serious?

How come we had to end up fighting with Po about the first place, in the last 2 weeks.

it's pathetic of you to say, clans didnt take it that serious, if you would've of say it wasn't as serious as Season 6-7-8-9 and so on.. then i would of have understand you, but people were actually fighting on this ladder. maybe YOU didn't, cause you joined Po when the season was to an end, and you were in MoD who doesn't really play GhR anymore.

but don't gimme that people didn't take Pre-Season seriously, cause z][t and a some clans out there really fighted to the last in these cb's and we gave everything for winning.

and i wasnt really asking about opinions, i was asking an admin about a yes or no.

so for no flaming, or no discussions so please stay out of it :)

z][t-Stripes

Point taken stripes. Theres no official decision yet, but I think you'll get icons.

Stripes I was in Po while the season was still going on, and not once do I remember them cbing you during those final two weeks, Im probly wrong, but w/e.  It still was called the Pre-Season, so I dont think a place in the hall of fame (For SEASON winners) was earned.





(Stipes BTW I DO think you should get icons (since its a BL sactioned event just like the spring tourney thing) I just dont think it deserves a spot in the hall of fame)

Thanks for understanding..

it's not like i'm gonna go to my bed and cry if i/we don't get an icon for winning the ladders, and i'm sure my guys won't too - would just be nice to our good collection, do you feel me?  ;)

Hope you consider it, or well.. don't forget you said this m8, that we would get icons..


z][t-Stripes

If someone would bother to look, I think you will find a very long discussion on
what records that would call for icons.

Right now I cant recall if it was only a discussion in the admin-forum, or it was a public topic.

However, the conclusion in those days were, that the overall teamladder-winners would get icon.
Some of the ( in those days called ) fun-ladders would get their own minimized icons, since everybody liked to get icons.
This socalled  "pre-season winner" thing was never ment to have an icon. It all started because some would like to have their names in the records, for having done a lot of cbs during the open season.
The season was at that point considered to be a season consisting of an open season and some finals.

So much for that stuff. Just wanted to point out that all this has actually been discussed before.

I am NOT awaiting any special icon.
I only asked for the Raven Shield Team-Ladder icon for Season X.

If ppl wanna discuss what kinky record should deserve an icon, plz do it in another thread.
TY !

:-)

Best regards
| ! |  Flies

But Flies, this isnt a "pre-season" to a tournament, like season X,  its a "preseason" to the season XI.  Therefore, just like the spring tourney, (in which the winners received icons)  The winners of this preseason should rightly get them as well.

Dark..

Please stop making a fool out of yourself, check this link

http://www.damnr6.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=8804.120

check the cb between z][t and Po.

do also check how many cb's Po did in the last few days, i don't wanna discuss this with you, i do already have a lot of trouble, i'm stealing Flies Thread that's already enough.

Sorry Flies..

z][t-Stripes

ouch - point taken Dark.
Sorry for mixing them up.

However - I promised myself that my return here wouldnt end up with me spending a hell much time in forums. I promise -  I really did.
So I made this little "minor request from Core" thread, and hoped it would just be a quick 2 responses - 10 views - end of story.

Heh - nvm.
I have noticed that this preseason thing you talk of has been running at a pretty serious level during summer and all - so the discussion would prolly be a good one.
However - cant you plz plz do it in another thread ?

Sniffle

| ! | Flies

the minor request from core got some good airtime in the admin forum, dont worry flies.

As said Flies, I gonna look up how it is in Formula one. We are just busy with finishing the Season preparation with the season just a few days away ;-)

I gonna send you all information via mail once it has been decided.

Greetz,

Mauti

Wow flies....all I asked was if theres some icons for open season winners since its in the hall of fame like i told you already...oh and between...its not just "a lot of cbs" stop being a dick dude..

Thank you for the Season X icons in your mail, Mauti.
I had kinda hoped you would also announce the decision here, but nvm.
Maybe I am just a bit too fast, and you planned to do so, in due time.
Thank you anyway.

Frizbee,
the discussion i mention was started up by a group of ppl that didnt even include you.
Sry for not thinking of you all the time, when i write stuff here.
Interesting language and mood you got there, btw.

| ! | Flies

P.S. With Mauti sending Core the Season X icons,
I hereby cant see any reason for further discussion in this thread called " Minor request from Core".

From the prespective of dr, this discussion includes any member of dr quite a lot. Quite a good case could be made that core doesn't deserve the icons, and that dr is next in line. I'm not making that case, just pointing it out.

Quitters don't deserve the honour after shameful acts.

Did i miss something? Were talking superfinals are we not?

Yes Sin,

spike obviously didn't think while posting :-X

So with this being decided of course dr. can have their icons for the main season as well  ;)

Bye,

Mauti

OK............I guess I just missed that "discussion started up by a group of people that didnt even inculde me".

heh. its true, i didnt think, sorry sin.