*DAMN R6 Forum

As BTs Harvey just reported here: http://www.damnr6.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=8977.0

Voodoo, was caught cheating on BTs Harvey's public Raven Shield server. Even if the circumstances are different: he worked together with the *DBL and Evill to prevent any use of hacks in game - he recently violated our no cheating policy.

Although I consider Voodoo as a good friend of mine and believe his intentions, the *DBL and I don't accept any use of hacks and so the following has been agreed by *DAMN and the BL Admins:

Voodoo has been banned from *DAMN indefinitely. As a former member, of the disbanded and inactive, BoC and as Clan leader according to *DAMN rules Voodoo's actions also result in that All previous Season wins will be nullified, because there is no way to prove that hacks were not used in Clan battles.

So it is in yours and the clan leaders interest to double check that everyone plays by the rules.

Cheating will affect the complete clan. So it is in yours and the clan leaders interest to double check that everyone plays by the rules. We won't make any exceptions!

On a final note Voodoo has time for 24 hours to make a final statement, before the ban will be applied.

poor RVS.......damn!

heh, if it carries on like this, there will be nore more so called "vets" to tell us "noobs" how we suck at ghr and rvs.

that of course was a joke... just incase some people take offence  ::lol::

RvS ain't loss yet... people at iGuard are working on an anti-cheat which we (MGL) will release in a week or so... So viva la pure gaming... cheaters beware..

"We're watching you"
 :o

Guessing what voodoo is going to say, well it isn't an excuse. You know damn well you don't load hacks and then go into someone elses server.... just 'testing' uhuh - in a public server? without asking the host? come on

Lastly as a ex admin you know the score. And you will know perfectly well that *DAMN is not going to make exceptions when it comes to cheating. The rules are perfectly and horribly clear.

If you were simply testing out the server anti hack setup why the hell didn't you talk to harvey first, and if he wanted to allow someone use hacks to test it then do it in a locked room in private as was clearly stipulated when working as an admin on anti hack work?

It was Season 8, and justice has been done.

Im just so glad that the people that get caught using cheats are doing it for research purposes and really for our benefit. Thankyou to the hacks as you are the real saviors of Rvs. ::)

Bring on cheat retard number 3!

Cool.  Just for the record........who "caught" him?

admins in the BTs server

The Anti Cheat software caught him and notified the Server admins

Harvey's anti-hack stuff in his server, i think. witnessed by several (server-)admins.


edit: lol, 3 times the same reply. didn't give me the "warning" that somebody else posted already.

Does his name begin with K?

Oh cool, good work Harvey!

I really can't believe this. Mauti, you know damn good and well that Voodoo was the original admin to send you the cheats for testing, he even spoke with Evill. Just as I was the original one to turn them into a BL admin.

and... people should know better than to "test cheats" in public servers. Especially without warning/asking the host... that's just plain stupid.

Comon though.....he REALLY should have said something first.  Maybe not a perma ban is in order but harsh punishment nonetheless.

Typhy was a BL admin. Typhy worked on the anti cheating issue. There is no grey its black or white - people are using hacks in public or cb games or they are not.

*2 seasons after you won, unless it can be proven that he wasn't cheating at the time you won the ruling stands.

the cheat/hack existed back then already tho... and nobody can assure that it hasnt been used, as trustful as voodoo might be. rules are rules, and the same foul shouldnt be treated differently for another person.
amusing that you react like this now when your clan is affected, crypt, but not about MP5 and Typhy, as BFG said.

Krush and Vickedson already summed it up and I also know that you are right Crypt, and I even mentioned that in the verdict that we worked together to find a counter measure. For me personally it is an extreme hard decision since I know Vooodoo since app. 4 years!

However Voodoo left us no other choice than to go by rules.  Sometimes it is required that you decide things on a professional level and not a personal one. So same rules apply for everyone - there will be no exceptions and further this is not a decision by my own. Although I may post the verdict - there is at least a handful of guys deciding about such things and also the community expects to make no differences on a personal level.

Bye,

Mauti

***Updated***

Im gonna make this quick.

1) First of all. Wasnt it said by you Mauti that we the Battleleague cannot babysit what goes on in gameranger.  I was caught in a casual game cheating with old friends that I thought was funny. It wasnt a clanbattle, it wasnt the finals. Please explain to me how you and your adimins can ban me from the Battle League for cheating in a private game that had nothing to do with this league or these forums. This is by far the biggest load of bull shit I have ever seen.

2) I have no idea what this rule is that you admin keep talking about. I retired way before I submitted the cheat to Mauti. Which btw is why you even have the cheat in the first place.

3) Ive known for a long time that Harvey ran an anti cheat software program. Do you all think im that stupid In the past year I have probably played RvS about 5 times total. Since I bought my PC. The night that I was caught it was about 2am and I just got home from the bars. I decided to logon to GR because I havnt been on in some time. I saw Harveys host up and saw that Shiex and Kilzo where in the server with maybe 3 other players. With me that makes a total of 6 players. I thouht it would be funny to hop in the server and load up the hack I had. I played maybe 2 rounds and Kilzo said "Voodoo!!, I want to talk to you in GR". He didnt even need to finish what he had to say I already knew that the software caught me. I got a good laugh and headed out to talk to Shiex and Kilzo and have a good laugh. Well, we can all see what has come of it. Shiex and Kilzo can confirm what happened that night.

4) This is all comical. I find it so fucking funny that all the hard work I put into helping the community with contacting Evill to come up with an anti hack and Mauti to give the hack to all the admins so that they can come up with some sort of way to deal with this new hack and all the work Ive put into *DAMN in the past 5 years has ment nothing. This is a fucking witch hunt I can name about 20 fucking others that use this hack but you know what, im sick of it. Im sick of getting stabbed in the back. I wont give up shit anymore. Nada!!

So in closing, I have nothing to appologize for. I should be appologized too for the way Im being treated. Ban me, kick me do whatever the hell you want. I dont give a fuck.


Voodoo..........OUT </seacrest impression>

Hey man... by Voodoo getting the exact treatment as typhy i believe that this league is not currupted.
I personally think the DBL admins did the right decision. ALL HE HAD TO DO WAS TELL 1 PERSON!...

he could of even told his team... "Hey guys dont mind me ima play a joke on these guys got some hacks up"

You want an appology?

I'm sorry your so stupid.

Crypt I'm sorry this affects you and your clan, I'm sorry it affects MP5... You should be mad at Voodoo not *DBL not BTs admins...

Rules are rules...

rofl, change your sig eight.

Look who it is coming out of the woodwork to promote his gay ass league. Just like a bottom feeder to use something like this to promote his site. What is it now, 2 years in the development. Dont you get tired of just taking about it. Your weak. Why dont you hold hands with Rapid and ride off into the sunset.

 ::lol::

I'm at a loss for words. Typhy was blatantly cheating, I cannot stand by him. Voodoo I have known for a very long time and have worked with him on several *DAMN BL projects when we were both admins and I stand firmly by him in this case. Typhy cheated while he was still a competitive player, Voodoo cheated in an exhibition game.

Ask yourselves this:

He handed the cheat to *DAMN, why would he dig his own grave if he wanted to cheat?

Did he even play in the cbs for the finals?

Did he even play well?

Did he submit the hack before he won the BL with his clan?

Is it really worth it to boot a crucial part of this community out when he doesn't even play competitively anymore?

These are questions I would want answered if I was an admin before I made my descision.

Just my opinion from my experience with Voodoo and as an admin. Thank you for your time and please lets look at some facts before we make a descision.

Hazard

Thanks Hazard, I appreciate it. Those are all good questions. I feel its is futile now. This is a witch hunt and I just got lynched.

I feel that in order to make the community feel safe you were convicted a little hastily. I think years of commitment to this league and this community makes this issue worthy of a proper investigation.

lmao, you know, now that I think of it. Did I even play in any of the CB's the season BoC won? How can you ban my clan and take there title if I never even played. Something to check.

and Voodoo accidently cheated?

I never knew Voods or Typhy very well, both cheated in public games without warning people and both will recieve the same punishment.  Voodoo made a stupid mistake, he will recieve the same punishment as anyone else.

Call it a witch hunt if you want... except in this case the ones being punished really are "witches" (or in *DAMN's case cheaters)...

yea voodoo made a stupid mistake.  Typhy's wasn't a mistake at all.  Typhy obviously wasnt testing out anything.  This is completely different.    THis should definately be thought over more than it was.  I've never really been a "friend" of voodoo but this is completely ridiculous.  You also have to see if he  did play in any CBs if you are planning on revoking a title from his clan.  It seems like you are either being lazy or trying to make another example.  This time the example hurts innocent people without harming a guilty one.

Voodoo, if you know of 20 people that cheat, I think we'd like to know who it is. The witch hunt you describe, you are partly to blame for it, getting caught with a cheat. Both you and Typhy are well known members of this community, and you both got caught. Maybe you can blame it on being drunk, so be it, but it doesn't really excuse you. So you should recieve a ban.

However, if he didn't play the season in question, when BoC won, then BoC shouldn't be affected and their win should still stand.

I wonder what the names of those 20 are....(Voodoo, you can't say a thing like that, and then call a witch hunt..things like that are the cause for a witch hunt)

I rather be a bottom feeder then banned for cheating!

CHEATER!

So what that he's been with the community for soooooo long... fact is.. like Typhy... Voodoo did the same exact thing.. It's like commiting murder... "I didn't mean to kill him, it was an accident i was drunk"

UHH NO....

You did the crime, you pay the crime. No matter how stupid you are for what you did.
And yes i came out of the woodwork for your sorry ass. Calling me a cheater every other day...

HAHA
I NOW SAY IT AND I CAN MEAN IT!

/me points at voodoo the village idiot

I mean come on I was an admin and knew of that rule... You were an admin for How much longer then me? Your stupidity doesn't excuse anything.

Either your extremly retarded, or just flaming stupid.

either way crime done... time to pay the piper.

here's my next promotion for ya!
/me gives the village idiot the finger

can you understand this whole post or should i type it slower?

And yes i changed my sig...

This is the original email from me to Harvey and his reply.




If this was such a big deal to him, why in the hell didnt he say something to me in the first place. Why all of a sudden now does he post this in the public. I know why. He is trying to hurt me and I have a feeling Eight probably told him to go public with it. This whole thing smells fishy. Very Fishy.

voo

Just so you know just cause Harvey owns the server it doesnt make it an "eight" server.

The admins decide on whatever decision they want. Heck they could ban me too... but im not that stupid.
Also we have admins from other clans not just BTs.

Im not going to be anti-Voodoo here, however there is no proof that voodoo didn't use the hack, nor is there any proof he did in CBs. There can't be indecision after the way MP5/Typhy was handled. I suppose the verdict has already been passed. I don't like the options, but in any case we just have to accept them. I sure as hell don't like the 2 years of MP5 RvS being destroyed, and I don't like it's prior RS incarnation ruined either. One person in each clan is all it took. Like it or not, it's now a done deal.

VooDoo, Typhy, and anyone else who is using the
"IM THE REASON YOU KNOW ABOUT THESE HACKS,
and Im DOING THIS FOR YOUR BENEFIT bullshit defense"

You are each making this a pleasant issue to work through.
Glad to see you are all big enough to own your behavior..like men.

Thanks to all of the ANTI hack efforts you've selflessly given your time to, and all the hard work that Typhy and Voodoo and every other fucking person I've ever caught cheating has laid claim to. You are all heros in my eyes, First not because of your tireless work in attempting to bring the issue to my ignorant hick-ass redneck attention...(thankee vurry much mister), but for the fact that somehow EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU, were somehow the 'FIRST' ones to bring it to Mautis and Evils attention, and therefore you are all actually INNOCENT.  Perhaps we aren't bestowing enough credit on you, and for that I'm truly sorry
 We ran out of 'Thanks for hacking for my benefit FIRST' ribbons..

I am quaking with gratitude about the fact that ALL of you have had NO qualms about putting me, or BFG, or other admins in the difficult situation of HAVING to keep an eye out, you know, because of the antihack efforts you have been up to on my behalf.
Oh and thank you for blaming me, and disparaging our efforts to clean this game up, as you claim to wish.
And playing the friendship card, which somehow we violated by catching YOU hacking..may god forgive me.

And it gives me a cheery glow to see that holding you all to an equal standard is somehow discriminatory and that holding you accountable under formal written rules amounts to persecution..because after all, you're hacking to HELP ME!
Wow, im such a fucking ingrate.

Thanks for testing with BTs...on so many occasions...i hope your results were satisfactory.

(Oh, and Voodoo, thanks for admitting to it in writing TWICE prior to my notification to harvey, and to Typh for starring on film
so that when i tell Crypt to shove it up his fucking asshole, i can be justified saying it.)

And Crypt, to enlighten you...CORRUPT would be defined as us letting Voodoo OFF the hook, not turning him in...bc of his DAMN status. TWO separate server notifications by console, visual confirmation by TWO admins, and TWO written confessions IS the investigation, and it IS the valid proof for these punitive actions, you dipshit. Unless you can add something accurate and relevant to this discussion, stay quiet. These issues are difficult enough without having a lapdog yipping and screaming {{{{corruption-corruption}}}}}  when you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about.

THANKS also guys , for putting us in the difficult situation of having to decide how to proceed, when after all, you have been heroic in your efforts to help us fucking retards along in our path to wisdom. And thanks for making it even more difficult to work thru, considering your responsible positions within DAMN and personally warm feelings toward you as people (ie voodo..I really liked you). You are truly to be commended for having the insight to MUDDY UP THE FUCKING WATER FOR EVERYONE.

You think anyone of us got any satisfaction at all from this? DO YOU?

Thanks for heroically charging ahead with your experiments despite the fact that it has caused great personal distress to myself, Bfg, Harvey and Mauti.  You didnt give a second fucking thought to our friendships when '**cough** testing** (without formal and prior permission from admins and HOST) and for that, we  get to stay up at night feeling guilty that we were going to have to publicly expose you.  And then, thanks also for taking full responsibility for your actions, and making an honorable example instead of somehow using some sort of magical transference powder that turns us into bad guys for 1. doing what's right, (and what you claim as an antihack advocate would WANT done with cheaters)  and 2. doing what's fair so that everyone caught cheating will be treated the same.  I missed missed that part of your antihack efforts that included outing the other 20 that are using it...thanks for covering for them in the meantime. Helluva strategy, playing both sides of the fence here.

I would like to see your written appeal to see how the reasoning would go...an appeal that i can swallow.
To MY mind, even without written rules, i would ABSOLUTELY be taking my own ass into my own hands if i decided to go "testing' hacks  on a  server known to have AC software without telling anyone. And in that timeframe you announced that you had tested it TWICE prior without being picked up.. Well godamn....
Im so silly for not realizing that you were just being thorough after your SECOND (un-notified) bypass of the software.

I would like to see you respond to how you are being singled out or unfairly persecuted given all the circumstances of rules, and lack of notification, and admitted multiple uses of the hack publicly.

When, by the way, were we gonna get your feedback about that failure to pick you up the first two times??

As i told you when the server notified me you were cheating, once a threshold is passed, i can no longer trust you.
That threshold was passed  after the SECOND time you tested it without admin or host prior notification..
The Third Time, is globally known to be 'A Charm" ...that's on you.

The 'friendship' card is being played, the 'we are bad guys for betraying you' card, and the 'I have a responsible position, therefore Im above the law'  card oh and of course, the 'hey, Im on YOUR side" card.
Each and every one of you have astounded me with your code of honor.
I ask, as you read this to place responsibility squarely where it is due. And that is NOT on our shoulders.

Here is my mantra to keep my head on straight as we really get into this stuff,
and as the admins make the difficult decision to treat everyone (friend or foe) exactly the same when caught with proof....

--------------
"I am not the bad guy. I did not load the Hack. I did not test it publicly, I Did what was right. I did what was fair.
You loaded the Hack in a public game. You broke the rules.
You tested my trust, and attempted to blame me in the end...
SO FUCK YOU!
---------------

On that note I'de like to give Sheix a big Thanks for helping the fight against cheaters! ;D

He deserves it, he's done a lot on his own time. Raven Shield is virtually starting a new for the record books, with the help of more people like sheix, it will be a damn good community.

VooDoo, you're so full of shit trying to justify your cheating. 

Put it this way, any honorable gamer, does not even have a single cheat, or attempted to google a cheat, etc.  The fact you've had these cheats in your computer, and there's no way for us to know when you used them, or who you gave them to(especially because you won't tell), makes you an even worse cheater.  That whole obsession with winning by any means necessary, got you here.  That whole speech on how you claimed you and BoC were so good, HAH, out the door. Why were you so good?  because you were the first ones to get these hacks up and working, and effectively used?  You're stupid and pathetic.  No honor in your strategies.  You're just a sorry ass mother fucking cheater.  Glad you got caught with your hand in the cookie jar.  And for you to say "I just wanted to see if they worked"

Hah!

Too bad curiosity killed the cat  ::applause::

Again, good riddance.  8) ::lol::

Sheix is so poetic.  Good summary man.  So far, both Typhy and VooDoo sound like politicians.  Maybe it is because politicians get caught a lot and are often guilty.

See you on the field.

Yep Rapid your right. Nothing I can say now will change anyone's mind and from this day on I will never be trusted in mac game rooms.

Shiex, I am totally sorry If I hurt your feelings. Im sorry if I betrayed your trust.  Im not sure what exactly I said to you that night but I was probably boasting a little. Nothing I can say will make you believe that I never cheated in the past and that I only used the cheat roughly 5-8 times since I got it in Aug of 2004. I really hope the Admins look into if I played in any matches the season BoC won before they take the title way from them.  Maybe our paths will cross again.

Mauti, thank you for all the good times....R6, RSD(mauti maps), RS, Ghr, old school posting.  If some of you read the old posts of the BL when we had to manually post scores and news update you will get a chuckle at some of the spats. Sin, Me, Ulti, Rapid, Typhy, SK, Bondo, Nixon all had some good ones. Rapid and me mostly, but Eight took his spot.

Eight.....MGL......where is it? 

Community, justice has been done, I bid you all adoo.



That I will take to my fucking grave.

Well in theory the longer he waits the better cause people that cheat are using these cheats in the off season and getting caught.

I obviously can't expect you guys to believe Voodoo but I firmly believe in his integrity as a honest gamer. But to rob his clan of the title... thats going too far, how many cb's did he actually play in during season 8???

Do you really believe people who use cheats only use them in the off seaon? Your stupidity astounds me.
Meaning of integrity - Steadfast adherence to a strict moral or ethical code.   Well he sure has shown this!
If voodoo is the 32 years of age he claims, he should really know better. I would expect this kind of action from a teenage chump like Typhy as he really needs some sense beaten into him. But 32 come on!!

Kangaroo, he used the cheats after his clan was disbanded, why should they be punished? Why penalize a clan with a cheater in it THAT DIDNT PLAY.

"Do you really believe people who use cheats only use them in the off season?"

YES CAUSE HE DIDNT PLAY DURING THE SEASON

Who's stupidity are we discussing now?

Haha kangaroo haztard got ya there....Anyway well I cant exactly think right now cuz its like 1:30 A.M. so ill keep it short.  Voodoo....always and honest player even back in the day....even when I would give him shit after he beat me fair and square....I was only 11 back then when the first RS 1v1 tourny started and he creamed me 6-0 I think....The same time around when people were discussing the best rs player....I was reading up on all this stuff earlier today..Back on topic, 

Theres nothing really else to say.....hazard pointed it all out, why would somebody who gave Evill and Mauti the means of creating the anti-hack that would get him banned if he was really going to use it. If he planned on using it to help benefit his clan...which he possibly didnt even battle in answere this why wouldn't he of kept it quiet and just use it like typhy...It just doesn't make sense....He's just an old veteran drunky havin some fun.

Cheers Voods ::beer:: ::beer:: ::beer:: Great times

Well Hazard that's not true, he at least played in 1 game of Season 8 - just the first search result I clicked was the the final final game where Voodoo also participated, otherwise I would give you right.

Yes, Voodoo didn't know about this rule, because he wasn't an admin at this time.

Further this ban doesn't lower all his achievments and commitment to this community. The ban solely bases on the fact that he was caught cheating and so receives a ban.

Hazard he is also my friend and I goddamn know how much he has done and helped me and this community out.

I'm really sad that it came that far, and I believe every word Voodoo says, nevertheless the *DBL has to judge this on a professional level. There are a lot of "when" and "but" but in the end what really stays is a rule violation to our in season 9 tightened no cheating policy.

Bye,

Mauti

Shame on you all. It's one thing to not accept Typhy's sad, pitiful explanation (no offense man), but come on. Voods is probably telling the truth in that he was just dicking around with them. Hell, he was probably drunk! I've been in 2 or 3 clans with him since the RS days and I know for a fact that he is very, very, very honest player. I've always respected his integrity, and I still do, despite what you people say. It makes me angry that people can turn their backs on someone so quickly. I can see how Mauti had to ban him with the no-cheating policy, but it doesn't mean that the whole lot of you get to call him "fucking cheater" and things of that nature. Messing around on a public server and cheating during CBs are two entirely different things. Hell, I bet if you looked, VooDoo probably only got 1 or 2 kills each CB(not round, the whole CB)! But whatever. I'll await you vultures to pick apart my paragraph sentence by sentence, underlining particular words and making some witty comment about them to make me look like a fool. Have fun, assholes.

Pick and choose. That's a good idea mellow  ::)

Straighten out your facts before you post. As mauti said above he did participate and it makes no fucking difference if it was 1 cb or all he was a member of the clan and hes a cheat. Case closed!



Haha your as much of a dumbass as hazard for the same reasons as above.

Alright I think everything has been said, and probably way to much flames that don't belong here, so I gonna close this topic and let it die.

Bye,

Mauti