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Who is the best band of all time?

I say its the beatles
AND DAMNIT PIMPINGPANDA DONT COME IN HERE TELLING ME ITS MUDVYANE

Double post deleted and combined, Bondo warned you apparently SK. -Infect

Lead Zeplinn, no doubt about it.

*cough*Led Zeppelin*cough*

Well, best band of all time depends on genre of music. Without a doubt, the Beatles influenced the most people in terms of Rock...but my vote goes to Nirvana. Without Nirvana, there is no such thing as a popularized form of punk/alt rock that most of the people here on these forums listen to.

Just because I know no one else gives them any respect...

Blood, Sweat, and Tears.

But then again I'm a trumpet player...but that's my favorite mix of vocals, rhythm and fantastic brassiness.

The Red Hot Chili Peppers.

hmmm, the best bands, i'll have to bak up sk on this one and say the beetles
according to mtv (or was that vh1?)they have the more of the 100 most influential songs than anyone else, but what do they know...

A) IT was VH1
B) It was the 100 top rated albums, not most influential.
C) Yes they had more albums on their than any other band...if I remember right, Sgt. Peppers was #1, and Nirvana's "nevermind" was the #2 album.

i'll disagree with you on b there sin, the show i was talking about was different. because i remember that it was pretty much between the beetles and rolling stones, and the stones got the top song, but the beetles got more songs and something like 4 in the top 10 (i know hotel california was in there as well, the eagles are a great band, i'm listening to it right now, that's why i say that)

bah.. so hard to choose just one. I'm gonna have to go with sin on this one and cast my vote for nirvana in the slightly old rock category. other bests:

Led Zeppelin wins it for older rock
Tool for new rock
Dead Kennedys for old punk
Anti-Flag for new punk
System of a Down wins the "too bad they got popular" category
Crystal Method wins the "best music to fall asleep too" category
Deftones wins the "if i dont' add this my brother will kill me" category
Metallica wins the "bets music to rip your vocal chords too" category

that's all i can think of right now.

So many bands to choose from. I love mitallica and Nirvana alot. Even though Jimmy Hendrix is not a band I think he is very influential too.

i nominate Weird Al for the music paridoy catogory
***from smells like nirvana***
Were a grunge band, from seattle! shure as hell beats, raising cattle!

He's one heck of a guy. I've got an entire collection of his music parodies. 'Bimbo no.5' (Mambo no.5 - sung by Lou Bega), 'Pretty fly for a rabbi' ('Pretty fly for a white guy' - sung by 'The Offspring'), 'Who let them cows out' ('Who let the dogs out' - Bahamen), 'Eat it' ('Beat it' - Michael Jackson), ...

THE PIXIES 4EVER In my opinion the Pixies are the best band because you can hear their songs always no matter what your mood is. Their songs always fit to your mood: you can hear one song if you are happy or very sad and thats great ?;) I love them - Some cool songs are Debaser, Where is my mind, Wave of Mutilation, She is weird, Here comes your man...

I also like Pulp especially the album: This is Hardcore. They have written such sad songs about the bad sides of life. They also have done happy songs like Disco 2002 or Miles end. However I mostly hear them if I have troubles with my girlfriend.

Beside the bands one of my favourite songs is The best things by Filter

And of course I love Ambross and Falco(Austrian interpreds) BTW Falco's Rock me Amadeus was the only song written by an Austrian that made it to the number 1 at the US TOP 100 ?;) May you know it - It is a song from the 80's

Well there are a couple of other bands I like to listen like Queen, Beatles(both kinda oldies and classics), Aerosmith, U2!!!, Anger77, Smashing Pumpkins who have written the most melancholy songs I know, Third Eye Blind, Pet Shop Boys, Fiona Apple, Vanessa Carlton(I want more & Ordinary Day) U96,.. and much more. Damn these mp3s are fullfilling my whole 40gig harddisk.

Punk groups I like: Feeder, Weezer and the old Offspring(the newer albums are only moneymakingmachinary)

About Nirvana: I like 4 or 5 songs from them but at all the songs listen to similiar for my taste but of course I have to mention them here. Smells like teen spirit!

I hear almost everything except Boygroups, RMB and HipHop are HORRIBLE, seriously I hate this B... thats not music... (simple not my taste - kinda boring all rap "stars" listen similiar and also the lyrics are a catastrophe.

That's it,

Mauti

I agree with you, the Backstreet Boys suck (wouldn't call them gay because I don't use that as an insult nor should you).

But for best pop I nominate the Spice Girls. ?They really are talented as a group, especially if you heard their last CD Forever with lyrics written by the group. ?Also, it can't be denied the impact the Spice Girls had on Pop and female music. ?Another thing to consider, they've all had solo albums and although I only own two of them, I've heard singles from four of them and seperate they are skilled as well.

For rock I'd have to agree with those of you who said the Beatles.



I agree about rap/hip hop, some crap music...especially Eminem, can't stand it.  I also think heavy metal sucks.  What is the point if all you can hear is screaching noise.  Then again I put emphasis on vocals and lyrics.  I have to disagree about Pop (Boy Bands) and R&B to a degree, there is a lot of crap in those genres but some great music as well (Boyz II Men, NSYNC, Spice Girls)

N*SYNC is the greatest boyband ever, but since that's my totally biased opinion, I would have to say the single greatest/influential/hotass pop (cuz only pop matters) boyband ever was the Backstreet Boys.

i think for best song ever i would have to nominate queen with bohemian rapsody
and for most used song ever i think that would have to go to we are the champions and we will rock you

queen rocks

any one ever listen to the moody blues?(they're probaly my favorite group)

Yeah, I was listening to Bohemian Rapsody the other day and thought, "this really is a good fucking song"  but it is depressing as hell, that is why I choose to listen to Wierd Al's Bohemian Polka instead. ;)

(Before I go further, let me mention that as I read this thread I was listening to Eminem.  I will face head on your insults toward him in due time)

Well, here for all of you, brought to you by precious roy, is a quick lesson in popular music theory:

Good music, influential music accomplishes one of two things.

A)  It is the music that is the quintessence of a period and genre.  Music that defines a genre transcends that genre.

ex: ABBA.  Whether you like ABBA or not, it is in the most pure form, "Pop" music.  Therefore, in the scope of its genre, it is good.  the best even.  If one does not like "ABBA" then they, fundementally, dislike "Pop".

B)  It is the music that pushes the limits, creates something new.  Though  this type of music rarely does anything fundementally new, it mixes and matches aspects of different genres to sound different and innovative, and therefore, (as music is the art of sound) is different and innovative.

ex: Clash.  Clash was a traditional Irish punk band, except they were the first to introduce Reggie rhythms into their music.  They muddled the lines, and they, along with several other key bands (including you beloved Dead kennedys), sparked the change between what you all call "new" and "old" punk.

Other groups, Beck and Bob Dylan being the most prominent examples, cross these lines constantly.  That is a large part of their success.

::Takes deep breathe::

With that said, the two greatest bands of all time are The Beatles and Led Zeppelin because they are the only two bands to completely and successfully do both A and B on such an immense scale.

(Liz Phair, by creating and embodying "Riot Girl" music does both, but Riot Girl, like almost everything nowadays is a subset of Rock.  She therefore does not do both A and B on an immense scale.  Plus most of you have never heard of her :))

Nirvana is an amazing band.  They sure as hell created something new, and captured the hearts of the nation's youth.  However they do not define rock.  They even struggle to define Alternative Rock with bands like Smashing Pumpkins and Pearl Jam competing for the title.  Maybe in twenty years Nirvana can join the ranks of my other two bands named, but not until the dust settles so to speak, and Nirvana's music stands the test of time.

::Takes another deep breathe::

Now, because everyone else is listing bands, I will too.  I'm also a big punk/emo fan, so I'll include that.  (I have tickets to Carbon Leaf on August 9th, and Hey Mercedes on August 14th.  w00t)

Best Ever: The Beatles, Led  Zeppelin
Best Old Rock : <see above>
Best New Rock : Nirvana, Pearl Jam
Best Old Folk: Simon and Garfunkel, Bob Dylan
Best New Folk: Dar Williams
Best Trance: Paul Oakenfold
Best Techno: Daft Punk
Best Old Punk: Sex Pistols
Best New Punk: New Found Glory, Saves the Day
Best Emo: The Ataris, The Get Up Kids
Best Random Indy: Belle and Sebastian
Best Pop: ABBA, Madonna
Best Band To Sellout: Reel big Fish (of course!)
Worst Band (Not Gayest! prick...): Limp Biskit
Best Rap/R&B: Run DMC, Eminem

::takes a third and final deep breathe::

And speaking of Eminem!  I take major offense to those comments.  

A)His lyrics are actually, genius.  He has biting and surprisingly insightful comments concerning the state of American society.

B)He simply can rap better than most.  He has 1337 skillz, undenialbly.

C)When he wants to be musical, he is.  "Stan" (Marshall Mathers E.P.) and "Hailie's Song" (The Eminem Show) are good examples.

D)Like it or not, Rap is Rock.  Led Zeppelin, Nirvana, Sublime, they led the way for this music.  you don't have to like it, but you should at least recognize it's merit.

::I lied, One last breathe, hopefully less deep::

I will admit, I do have a problem with rappers.  They have ceased to be performers, and are now just entertainers.  As so eloquently put by P-Funk, brother to me, friend to blackhand: "When rappers are on stage, they have to tell the crowd what to do 'put your hands in the air" et cetera.  When rock stars are on stage the crowd needs no prompting.  They just do it."

::Exhales.  Hyperventilates.  Passes Out::

DAMN, that is one long ass post

i think we have a new wordy bastard

I am no way the new wordy bastard.  Look back in the 9/11 threads, and you shall see that I am one of the originals.  Loudnotes still outdoes me though.

But no matter.  Someone else please post their opinions.  Wouldn't want to waste that long post on a thread declared off topic, and then locked.

Before I go further, DIE DIE DIE DIE!! Ok, that's out of my system for the moment...




As for part A, I would say that it is defining a genre is what is most important. This is basically semantics, but when you say some music is the quintessential music of its genre, it may not define it. Ex: You could say that NOFX is quintessential punk, but you would make a better case for someone like Rancid as defining punk. (Note: This was a rough example of punk. Don't jump all over my back with "OMG OMG SEX PISTOLS DEFINE PUNK" or something. That is a whole other argument.) I think you are dead on with part B. You state accurately that the Beatles and Led Zeppelin fit these criteria. I feel Zeppelin gets the nod because they pushed the boundaries in a way that not even the Beatles could match. Virtually any type of rock today draws its roots from Zeppelin.




You need to pull your head out of your ass on this one. Nirvana WAS alternative rock before Cobain killed himself. Those are two great bands, but alternative starts and ends with Nirvana. While its difficult to judge Nirvana's place in history yet, you can certainly give them credit for the current state of rock.




Ugh, rap. Rap pretty much blows ass across the board. There are a rare few perfomers such as Beasties or Outkast who have actual musical talent, but the rest need a little less of the bling bling and a little more of the second grade english skills. And no, Rock != Rap. Rock (for the most part) is a complete band of guitar(s), bass, drums, and a non-rapping singer. Rap is a rapper or rappers with a beat being played in the background.






And on a somewhat random tanget, I went to Warped Tour a week ago. It was pretty fuckin sweet. I saw Flogging Molly for the first time, and I'm obsessed with them now. Any band that calls itself a "Guinness soaked musical body blow" rates high in my book.

Ace, you may be right about Nirvana, that is more a matter of opinion then fact, but I still think that Pearl Jam has done just as much for rock, but their is less of a nostalgic factor there.  The first alternative song that we both heard (3rd grade for me, 4th for you?  something like that) was "Smells Like Teen Spirit."  it has engraved itself into our memory.  yet from a purely objective point of view the albumn "Ten" did as much as "Nevermind" for the furthering of Rock and the creation of alternative/grunge.

I would never do such a disservice to Nirvana as saying they are to credit for the current state of rock.  the current state of rock is fucking POD, Papa Roach, amd System of a Down.  Ask the average radio-listening high schooler and they wouldn't know The Get Up Kids,  NoFX, New Found Glory, Flogging Molly, or Millencolin if the fell over them.

They may know Unwritten law or Rancid, but that's thanks to only one or two hits each. (And if you ask me, neither are what they are cracked up to be)

Rock as the populace knows it is shit.  And has been since '98

As for Eminem, I see there is no arguing with your C++ booleans.  I simply think your definition of Rock is too narrow.  It's pretty all-encompassing, and has been since the term was coined during the 50s with the song "Rock around the clock"

The Beatles undeniably developed and changed as a group. But I think that in the process they challeneged the genre.  (Bubble gum beatles to trippy beatles to later beatles)  I truly believe Led Zeppelin never would have been what they were without The Beatles setting the groundwork with songs like "While My Guitar Gently Weeps"

Tell me roy, what is the genius behind the lyric "Wondering which of the Spice Girls' I'm going to impregnate"  Seems to me like he was just taking something popular at the time, taking something risque (sex) and putting them together to make a line that people would find wild.  That is what most of his lyrics are, they are just obscenity...violence...or sex put there because it will get people who just want to hear about bad things because it is "cool".  In the semester I spent in the dorms, there was a large amount of people there that listened to rap or metal of this lyrical quality.  And their combined intellect was probably less than mine.  I'm not saying there aren't smart people who listen to this type of music but it tends to be a escape for the mentally challenged.  If rap music could stop glorifying the problems of the underprivlidged and started talking to them to get out of their rut, then it would have my respect.

But I guess I'm just a softie because I listen to my music at low volumes and the lyrics talk about love, god, and other such unspectacular things.

Roy, Pearl Jam got their influence from Nirvana - Alt. Rock came into existance with the release of Nevermind and the playing of "Smells Like Teen Spirit" on the radio in 1991. Speaking of which, you havent listened to Nevermind unless you have heard tracks 1,3, and 5 multiple times. (Smells Like Teen Spirit, Come As You Are, Lithium)

Some people on here have been slamming System of a Down and quite frankly, reasonably so. When I bought their first album (A self-title), I was stoked about this band...songs like "Spiders" and "Sugar" made me think that this band had its best years ahead of it. But since the release of Toxicity, it appears that their main goal is to make money. The only song off of Toxicity (System's second album) that I like is Chop Suey! The rest is crap.

Third, when speaking of the worst musical band/group, I am surprised that no one said POD or any other "Christian Rockers." The words "Christian" and "Rocker" don't belong in the same phrase whatsoever. Also, no offense to Bondo, but pop - especially today's - is crap.

*choking on my last breath*

What is the general opinion of bands such as Rage Against the Machine, Korn, and Linkin Park on these forums? I haven't seen any of those bands mentioned as good or bad.

P.S.: Ace, by chance do you listen to Loveline? I saw that you used the phrase "recockulous" in an earlier post.

P.P.S.: Roy, Nirvana fits perfectly into both A and B.

So much to cover, where to start...

Nirvana/Alternative Rock. First, Assassin, I think you are correct. Some of my favorite songs from Nevermind never get any airplay. But back on topic. Nirvana really was the start of major exposure of alternative rock. I don't exactly remember the chronology of what came first, Ten or Nevermind, but Smells Like Teen Spirit really was what ushered in a change. This is not to say Ten isn't one of the greatest alternative rock (or any rock for that matter) records ever, just the single mass identification of Smells Like Teen Spirit with Alternative by the general populus is inescapable.

Rock as it is today. There are good and bad points to rock in its current state. I wouldn't say they are all negative. Yes, there may be "rock" bands like Bizkit, POD, and Staind that are little whores, but there are also some pretty sweet bands. These range from well known bands (Papa Roach, Godsmack, System of a Down) to lesser known bands (AFI, Flogging Molly). Honestly, I don't know why you guys are hating on System. I own Toxicity and have listened to their first album extensively and they are both kickass albums. As for those other bands that Asssassin mentioned, I would place Rage in a category of its own. Rage kicked ass, simply put. Korn has some awesome songs, but they miss occasionally. On the whole, I like them. Linkin Park is interesting. Some of their songs are good, but some of their shit songs and their pop-sold-out-mtv-whores aura brings them down.

Yes I listen to Loveline sometimes Assassin, but that was more just one of those things I picked up from who knows where. I know people who used it, and it rubbed off on me.


Finally...

cough *pussy* cough

Yeah, Rage did kick ass...I am stoked about what the new Rage might sound like, but I don't think that it will be as good as the old.

yes, but grifter was the official wordy bastard due to the constant out put of high volume posts

you seem to be the heir apparent

But the Spice Girls aren't current pop.  They pre-dated the current flood of pop that is boy bands and divas as they say.  Most pop is shit although I do make exception for NSYNC because it is good.  They tend to mix up styles pretty good and have good vocals, even if the lyrics sometimes aren't the best.

Actually, another good Pop group is Savage Garden, much better than the crap that you speak of Sin.

ok, im starting on a clean slate here as i dont feel like quoting all that shit.

Best Ever: The Beatles, hands down.
Best Old Rock : beatles or pink floyd
Best New Rock : well, i personally think most of it bites but i guess you could fit deftones or something in here, maybe the queers..
Best Old Folk: Bob Dylan or Johnny cash
Best Trance: hrm... oakenfold
Best Techno: dunno much about techno
Best Old Punk: bad religion/ the ramones
Best New Punk: bad religion ;D  and flogging molly
Best Emo: The Juliana Theory
Best Random Indy: White Stripes?
Best Pop: queen. always queen.
Best Band To Sellout: I'm going with RBF on this one, too
Worst Band : Limp Bizkit, as always
Best Rap/R&B: Run DMC!!!!!!!!!
BEST SKAAAAAAAAA: skatelites, the aquabats
best songwriter: bob dylan, forever.
;D

ok first of all, i know there's gonna be hell to pay for this but i never really got into led zeppelin. I kinda like the screeching weasel song "i hate led zeppelin" too. heh. And Nirvana, i love them, but they aren't my absolute favorite nor do i consider them the best. Ok, onwards, WHERE THE HELL HAS PINK FLOYD been during all this?!! They're such a good band in my opinion. ANd this is all just my two cents.

some of my favorites:
deftones, nin, pink floyd, rolling stones, bikini kill, bob dylan, bad religion, dispatch, the juliana theory, nick cave and the bad seeds, the aquabats, flogging molly, our lady peace, elvis costello, weezer, bread and water, the beatles, conflict, primus, jets to brazil, devo, le tigre, NOFX, converge, tana'ri, the slackers, man.... or astroman?, the ghastly ones, charles bronson, poison the well, almost any and all classical and trance... and I'm not much for techno. I like a bunch of stuff.

and sorry if i sound like a broken record once again, im kinda sleepy.

SK, you bloody list-stealer! thumbs up, man, you got good taste.

90% of all bands around today are pure marketing crap. Pop music is a joke. Rap/Hip-Hop is no better. Country is... well.. i don't even touch country, so i wouldn't know. And sadly, rock is falling to the evil corporations as well. Even some punk is being sucked up by the giant corporate god.but for a moment, i must rant about modern rock.


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Modern rock as it is today is in pretty bad shape. Save a few bands (Tool, Deftones, umm, can't think of any other at the moment...), Modern rock is pretty much sellout BS like Linkin Park, who, by the way, are really a boy-band in disguise. Need proof? listen to "in the end". Towards the end. what do you call that? i call it shit.

And when a good band comes along, ie. System of a Down, all you get is one album before they too get bought out. pisses me off good. I gave up on rock on the radio around february of this year, when i heard some super BS crossover rap/rock song, and i finally decided "if this is what they call rock now, i'm not gonna listen". That shit pisses me off.

what we need is bands that make their own sound. Or more bands that sound real. bands that can soudn the same live without elaborate mixing and DJ's. Bands that actually play their instruments. bands that are really bands. Bands like.. like local bands that aren't yet sold out.

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that's all, for now...

A few more things, do the Dixie Chicks count as country?  Because if they do, I'd say they are one of the best country groups that I've heard.

Also, where exactly would Garbage fit in?  Best college-esqe band?  Also, No Doubt for best ska.

After seeing that so many guys are making lists I have to say that you can't nominate one group for the best band in a genre. You will see in a half year this list changed probably total(except some real old bands)

However there are so many great bands and artists. - Some bands ?I forgot to mention in my last post are Travis, Coldplay, Heather Nova, Die ?rzte, Die Toten Hosen, Billy Joel, Nine Inch Nails, Foo Fighters, John Lennon as solo artist, Placebo, Radiohead(Creep and Karma are wonderful songs), Smash Mouth, The Cure and thousands of others...

If you think about it you will discover so many songs you love. It just depends in what mood you are. So far I think you can't nominate a group as best band.

Hehe I know I posted the Pixies are the best band for myself and that is because they are the only band so far I can hear at any time - it doesn't matter in which mood I am. And thats outstanding ?;)

Yeah, I forgot about Billy Joel (best ballad writer)

Scenes from an Italian resturant is close to my fav song ever.

hmm, some of my favorite bands/songs are those "lazy" ones. You know, the kinda slower ones that you can sit back on a lazy summer day and daydream too. The ones you can go right to sleep too. Examples:

Led Zeppelin - Stairway to Heaven/Ramble On
Crystal Method - Vegas Album
Nirvana - Man who Sold the World
Jimi Hendrix - All Along the Watchtower
System of a Down - Spiders
Stone Temple Pilots - Creep
Smashing Pumpkins, esp "Disarm" i think it's called..
Pink Floyd
Most of Staind's first CD (but this is more for depression the laziness)

you guys know any other good songs like these? i could use a few more.....

well poo on you all! i just remembered another band that kicks total major ass, but is gone now. And i can't believe they've only been mentioned once in this whole discussion.

Sublime wins "Best music to play when you're just hangin' out"

I listened to Sublime 4 - 5 years ago. I liked them very much but eventually I heard them to much. Btw Anarchy get Karma and Creep by Radiohead also TV Movie, Sylvia and This is hardcore by Pulp and last but not least Wave of Mutilation by Pixies(the version of the Pump up the Volume soundtrack is the best)

Now sit back and daydream Anarchy  ;)

hmm day dreaming music

i think i would say that nights in white satin would be an excelent song for that.
infact they have a whole album where the songs take you throughout a day, although it's name escapes me right now. i'll have to look it up

it's not exactly rock and roll, but it is most definatly  day dreaming music

TOOL is the best band ever

Has anyone ever heard Bander's band?  All I remember is one line of a song he posted on the forum - but I think it puts him along the lines of Eminem...

"Fm4 is der Schwul protected Tunten und ich scheiss darauf"

Anyway, I think the best bands are the ones no one has heard of.  Of course, no one would agree with me on any specific one, because they haven't heard of it.

But generally, a band or artist does much better work before they make the "big time" so to speak.  When they are overpopularized their music declines.  When you look at the Beatles, who in many respects were an amazing band, you also find a lot of songs that simply suck.  Many of the others have lost any creative feel to them and seem just like every other.

Why do you think so many of you included a category for "best sellout band"?  I think those bands that never catch on are quite possibly the best.  Of course, we'll never know because we don't hear them.

But I think it's kind of silly to debate different genres over another.  Who is to make any judgement over whether Led Zeppelin made better music than the London Symphony of 1800?  (random, but you get the point)

However...no one has mentioned Dire Straits...just thought I'd mention I thought they were pretty great.

And mort - thank you most kindly for acknowledging my longwindedness.  You are a worthy adversary  :D

And Brain...when you add it all up...I think I still may have more post content than you, despite my lesser number.  And there is certainly more substance  ;)

did i ever say there wasn't?
hell have i ever said thet my posts have more substance than anyone elses?

Best animated band-Gorillaz ;)

Loud, I have to respectfully disagree with you.

NSYNC's best CD is Celebrity (their third normal one)
The Spice Girls' best CD is Forever (their third normal one)
Garbage's best CD is BeautifulGarbage (their third normal one)
Boyz II Men's best CD is II but their releases since then when they were no longer big time have sucked.
Abbey Road came out after the Beatles were big time and it is commonly considered their best.

I don't feel like going on but I think you get my point, I don't really think going bigtime hurts the music, I just think some bands can't stand the long haul and so by the time they make it big it sucks (Hootie and the Blowfish ;))

Best animated band: Howard Stern's "Backside Boys"

lol capt...if you go check on Grifter's KDX server, you can go to the MP3 section and download "Every Homo" and "Which Backstreet Boy is Gay"...excellent parodies.

cookie:
Very good choices.  I question J-theory though.  I saw them in concert (I went based solely on the strength of their opening band, Piebald) and was not impressed.  But I don't know much about their albums, so I could be pre-judging.

Bondo (Ace too):
Rap is the bastard child of jazz and rock.  Personally I think it's inferior.  But we can't discount the genre, because there are standouts among them.  As for lyrics, the express the helplessness of an uncultured poor, dehuminized society.  They can't rise above that which they were born into unless we let them.  They glorify the only things they knew, because it was their childhood. Try living in the projects  for the first 16 years of your life.  See if you rise above in your musical endeavors.  Music starts with emotion and inspiration.  When only the tactile (sex, drugs, money) are what's good in a society, thats the best we are gonna get out of the music.  Instant gratification, greed; it's the American way.

Good call on Billy Joel though.  i'm a fan.

Assassin:
rage is definitly a band you have to be in the mood for, but a great band, undoubtedly.  

Linkin Park, as capt Anarchy put it, is a boy band in disguise.  They are bands who follow a formula.  they are boy bands, with sad lyrics and harsh sounds.  So many of these bands have ceased to care about the music they are making.  

I went to a major concert (HFStival by name) where 30 major bands played, including POD, Eminem, Papa Roach, Paul Oakenfold, Our Lady Peace, Good Charlotte, Hoobastank,  Sum 41, and New Found Glory.  I was shocked to see how many bands are no longer all about the music.  I really only found one band (Phantom Plant, they are great, and are finally getting some airtime) that I could really called, musicians  The others, at best were performers, there for a gig, and at worst were entertainers,  whose sole purpose seemd to be rousing the crowd, instead of playing music.

Loud:
We are the children of Rock.  It is therefore that which primarily concerns us.  Sure, vivaldi's "Four Seasons" can probably beat any nusic put out since 1900.  Sure the Dave Brubeck Quartet with "take 5" and "Blue Rondo A La Turk" outdoes the majority of the bands we've listed.  We know that.  or at least i do.  but it is not that which concerns us.

All:
I'm not kncking Nirvana, you may be right, they may be one of the 3 greatest bands of all time.  But they haven't yet stood the test of time.  10 years from now, maybe. But I still refuse to call them "better", "worse" "more, less influential" then peal  jam.  yet.

Hopefully I covered everything.  If not, yell at me some more! (It's fun, I enjoy the challenge)

you people suck, the smashing pumpkins are the best. if you dont think so, they listen to an entire cd of theirs sometime..

pixies are good too

geek, i own like 12 pumpkins CD's, including the box set. they do own.

oh, and sin... i used ot have the videos for 'em, but then my comp died.

yeah, the J theory isn't that good but then again what emo is really good. They're my pick of the litter.

And the smashing pumpkins are great, i forgot about them  ;D as are john lennon, the pixies, and travis. A band that I do hate, however, is the sex pistols. I really, REALLY despise sid vicious, and their music bites. heh. also, i might revise my choice on "best band to sellout" and put no doubt instead. Their first two albums were great, back when they were ska... but jesus, what the hell happened to them?!

i think i should sleep, my eyes burn.

hmmm
best bands eh?
Smashing Pumpkins, Nirvana, the Beatles, Queen.
that is, if i have to keep it short, there are many, many many good band out there.
And it looks like most people on this forum have reasonably good taste ?;D

MacMan - Listening to music animatedly since 1983

I also forgot to add that I like Russian Folk Music especially when I am playing RS. Get me riled up for some reason. Bahhh Nationalism!

Cossack, I have to say one of my favorite soundtracks is that of Dr. Zhivago.  Fiddler on the roof ain't bad neither.

I also really like that Russian lit: Dostoyevsky, Checkov.  Good stuff.

Of course ya'll need to get your politics organized and get the hell outta chechnya... but that is topic enough for another whole thread.

(Forgive my poor spellings of Russian names... not that it matters, we don't use yo crazy-ass script)

russian lit is good however i dont really like tolstoy. and wait a minute, wasn't this about music?

Oh my god jn.preciousroy you have heard of piebald? I saw them at a small show in hawaii about 4 years ago and I've been a big fan since.  Anyway anyone ever heard of a band called Modest Mouse?

losemoney!

Piebald is great!  I've seen them three times in concert, and will be seeing them again, as they are opening for Hey Mercedes.  They opened for Saves the Day once, and that was my first experience with them.  I went to J-theory simply on the strength of their opening band (Piebald)

For those of you who are regretfully uninformed, Piebald is a pop Punk band out of Boston.  They have a couple CDs under Big Whell Records, the best of which is "We are the only friends that we have."  The lead singer is a first grade teacher, which is evident by the fact that everyline is a complete sentence.  Good Stuff.

Sadly I have not heard of this other band you speak of, but I will be looking them up soon enough.

I knew Bondo liked these bands, but you Ace?

Well, if it wasn't for Ace's blatant sarcasm, I would be asking if he will be coming out of closet as well ;)

When I read Oso's post, there was only two things I could think. Did either A) Assassin exact his revenge for my meddlings or B) roy put his mod powers to use before he lost them. Given that Assassin is going to such a shitty school and therefore is lacking intellectually, I'm guessing such wit should be credited to roy.

Well, the correct answer will only be known by Roy or I...

Well, I'll argue with the moderated statement, the crappy Backstreet Boys should not at all be compared with the great NSYNC.  So bah to Roy.

Bah, you fools give me no credit. BAH to all!

Back on topic, Bondo: those were the only two "pop" boybands that I have ever heard of...it didnt matter to me in what order they went in.

Awww, I love you guys!  you all instantly assume that it was I doing such moderatorial tomfoolery.  But alas, i did not come upon these  posts until after I lost my mod powers, or I would have undoubtedly proceeded in doing my own mischief.

But to avoid getting deleted I will stay within topic range:  I went to the falconridge folk festival this weekend, one of the most popular folk festivals in the country.  I was shocked to learn that Dave Carter (of Carter & Grammer) died a week before the festival.  his naem was in the program still in the present tense.  if you are into folk you will understand that this is the loss of one of the best songwriters around.  if you arn't into folk, you won't know the name at all.  but if you don't like folk, then shame on you!

Black Sabbath, no goddamn doubt about it, they're the godfathers of Heavy Metal.

"Before anyone did anything, Black Sabbath did every fucking thing"  ;D