*DAMN R6 Forum

I was wondering if it were possible if we made a new map pack for this upcoming season?  Playing the maps that we have now over and over is really starting to get old, IMO.
 There are some great maps in the  Hx5, mp3, b&g, IT, and x5 mod that would be perfect for cb's..ex: jungle prison..polling center, etc..  Could we take the best maps out of these mods and make it into a new DBL map pack to spice things up a bit?

Well, the IT maps aren't public domain, so that's almost out of the question.

"aren't public domain"... Is that a legal issue for *DAMN?

Most of us have the x5 mod. If *DAMN doesn't want to officially package the four maps in there for the DBL perhaps it could just be added to the list of "approved" maps to play.

Some new maps would be nice......some good Frostbite ones to consider also.

Well, considering a while back that Ubisoft threatened to take DAMN down and put a lawsuit on Mauti just for a converter, I'd think they'd take it pretty seriously if he made their maps freely availible

Oh  :o  :o I didn't know that.

I guess that would be a problem.

We could still use all of the maps that weren't Island Thunder though, right?  There are just a select few good IT maps....there are many other maps that are DBL worthy.

You don't want to know how much trouble :MoD:Saberian went through to try to get answers on who owns the rights to Island Thunder.  First he was referred to Aspyr by Ubisoft - then when trying to contact Aspyr they seemed as though they didn't much care, they probably don't since it has been around for a few years.

Well either way...with or without the IT maps, we still need a new map pack.  I along with a few others were going to go through and find the best maps from all of the other mods...We could take suggestions on what maps to put in it, etc..and then go through and make sure there are no bad glitches.

Can we get a few bigger maps?

nark?

I am building a few maps for Ghost Recon and Monoman is doing the scripting work on them.  We'll probably release them in a mappack when they become finished.

Well if i remeber correctly.. the DBL rules state that you can use whatever MODs you wabt as long as both clans agree to it. So if you want to use other maps i say go for it... I realy like the s1-s3 map packs (i know we are using some of the maps out of those right now) but there are a few other maps in those packs that were realy cool.

so can we or can't we?  is it up to the admins?

not up to us. if you want a new map pack, theres no way we can stop you. its up to mauti if he wants to host it on the site, but we can't prevent you from doing anything, in fact I think most of us would appreciate someone doing it a lot.

This sickens me because last season or maybe two seasons ago mostly :MoD:Saberian and myself with help from some other clans for testing put together a whole mappack only to get it shoved back down our throats by Mauti.

So I don't know if you guys want to waste all your time on a mappack that might not even get accepted.

it got "rejected" by Mauti because of unsolved legal issues because of several maps in it that are copyrighted, that's the only reason. even if Asypr or Ubisoft wouldn't care anymore, they never answered that they don't and/or accept the use of their maps in a free and here distributed mappack. Mauti almost got sued by them for the IT converter stuff a while ago... so he asked to make sure it's ok with 'em, which didn´t happen.

other than that, as stated in the rules, if both clans agree to use a new map(pack), or a different gamemode even, in a CB, they can do so.

i wouldnt want to waist my time on a map pack that could only be played if both clans agree.  No one would ever agree to it in a cb..just like all of the other map packs.  i'd only want to make a new one if it were accepted by the dbl.  If we didn't use the IT maps, then we wouldnt have any issues with copyright laws, right?

as long as the maps are not copyrighted by Aspyr or so there should be no problem. this includes maps from IT and Frostbite, dont know of any other official and "not free" add-ons for GhR.

I think IT is an accepted modification by all clans - just about everybody has it or knows somebody who can give it to them.

I personally think that regardless of what maps that are decided to be put into a new map pack, they should all be easy to download from this site. Requiring IT I think drasticly cuts down on the player pool because it's not officially supported (and thus people are hesitant to buy it), requiring it for those who don't have it and arn't going to buy it, means they have to d/l it illegally which seems to go against DAMN policy.

That said, I do think there are some excellent maps that should be looked at for a new map pack. Desert City is personally one of my favorites.

Well, you can't buy IT directly for the Mac but I'm sure you already knew that.

Trying to please the whole community is one of the most difficult tasks to do.  To me, I believe the mappacks produced so far are crap, but the creators probably thought otherwise.  What we tried to do was give the community larger maps since that's what we are seriously lacking.  Problem is most of the best big maps require IT or are in IT.  With big maps though the problem is reducing the size of the download, we scraped to get rid of every single useless file that was taking up space in the mod and got it down to a normal size, in fact it can still be downloaded off of Sab's site.

I think that the more clans that help create the mappack the better it will be.

Frostbite is not an Official expansion, it is a free mod. Although it does require IT to run, since it uses various things from IT.

wasn't Frostbite a purchasable add-on? hmm, i thought it was/is. i'm pretty sure that it is copyrighted by Ubisoft, though.

If it was purchasable then you couldn't download it from *Damn. It was just such a huge mod that it was more like an expansion then a mod.  ;) The official site for it is no longer up but most of the mod team still produces there own mods.

A new map pack for next season would definitely juice things up a little bit, and make it more interesing for all of us.

A couple of suggestions that me and the zt boys thought about:

Northern part of Red Square (its an official GhR map so there shouldnt be any probs)
Daylight version of Airbase (i dont know how these day maps usually work out but..)
Daylight version of big castle (^^, would be cool though)

Im sure mauti wouldnt have probs with a map pack if there were no problems with copyrights and so forth, even a small map pack with a few big maps would definitely be appreciated by the community.

Primary, there is already a day map for big castle. MPO6. Castle DAY

I think he meant a daylight version of M06-Castle Night which is larger than MP06-Castle.

OMG i didnt think of that. Erhm no wait yes wait yes i did. i meant the bigger version. You have smoked yourself retarded, lay off the ganja for a while. Jeeeeeez.

 ::bussi::

There's a great set of maps put out by the Remy fellas:
http://www.remyg.com/p/RemyMods.html

They never get any play, though they are somewhat bare they still have excellent tactical possibilities. Should take a look at them glitch-wise but they could be fun.

What'dya think?

typical! i totally missed this post at the same time as running through new maps to be suggested for a new mappack or update 2.55.

the last mappack happened quickly and quite without problems. the only problem i have with some of  the mappack maps, is that alot of the maps arent optimized for ghr. either in size, graphics and style. some are just a waste of space, but everyone has different taste. i really wouldnt mind seeing some of these maps thrown out and replaced with more suitable maps. we are used to large maps that are optimal for ghr and i think we all agree that anything less just sucks and arent played(almost not played) HX5 has quite a few cool maps that would work better than some of the ones we have now. Prime mentioned some. day for nite and vice versa works well too. some of those maps would need some fog etc. beach - day would be cool if it has less visibility. do we have anyone that would be willing to take the time to optimize the maps for us? i would if i could. and on that note, maps that have been modded - are we allowed to make adjustments to them? like some of the HX5 maps.

IT and Frostbite. Obviously we have to respect someone's work and ownership, but how long ago was it that someone tried to find out who has the rights on the  IT maps? or does someone in the community have any contacts that could assist us in using a selection of IT maps? i dont mind picking up the phone to see if i can dig into it, but it would ofc be cool if someone has the "inside".

it would be really cool to get a mappack that gives us all some fresh blood and that delivers us the size and style we would need to get a last kick before ghr3 HOPEFULLY comes...please come soon!

thanx

Well - Sab tried just a few seasons ago with minimal results but you can go through the same loop that he did if you want.  Talk to Ubisoft who will refer you to Aspyr probably.

Well, what about some of these maps here: http://www.damnr6.com/macmods/grmap.shtml#

I haven't played most of them (I may be wrong) cause most people don't have them. I'm refering to those maps out of the map-packs. Could we check them out and make a selection or do they suck? (like city street large, etc.)

Hey Tiro

when we worked on the last mappack, those maps where checked out. a few are in the pack i believe(i had to bail cause of work in the middle of the process) and quite a few dont hold the standards that we expect. some are also for other games. there are a few maps in the hx5 pack that look good though...maybe just a replacement of some of the un-ghr like maps in the 2.5 mappack? i'm gonna reinstall IT and frostbite tomorrow and check those babies out(havent looked since they came out)