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Title: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: BTs_Mysterio on June 04, 2005, 04:56:43 am http://www.macnn.com/articles/05/06/03/intel.cpus.inside.macs/
CNET reported this story. CNET has never posted a "Rumor" that became false. Imagine the possibility of Mac OSX.5 Running on intel chips able to run OSX and x86 Applications natively. Apparently, there have been recent tension between Sony-Toshiba-IBM and Apple over PPC rights. Apple apparently had been recently cornered by them. The end of a era? The end of a Platform? The reclaiming of Majority? Time will tell... ...Tune into WWDC Monday to find out... Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: BFG on June 04, 2005, 05:06:00 am I'd be gutted if apple did... especially given what IBM has been up to in R&R ..
Quote eClipz represents the core of IBM's PowerEverywhere strategy, a long-term project designed to deliver a single Power architecture into all of its systems. As first reported in our PowerPC notes late last year, IBM's next-generation Power6 processor and its derivatives will power eClipz sstems. While not specifically part of eClipz, an UltraLite derivative of the processor, P6UL, could very well find its way into Macs, albeit not until 2007 or so when the project is completed. Quasar's "2008 and beyond" timeframe would seem to indicate that the Power6 remains on the track. IBM is currently targeting 6GHz for the first iterations of the Power6, which will be manufactured using a 65nm process. Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: BTs_Mysterio on June 04, 2005, 05:08:56 am I don't know if Apple is the one making the choice. As people have notices, the PowerPC community is pushing Apple out due to low market size and general unprofitability. Steve did vow he will take back over the computer market before he leaves.
Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: Supernatural Pie on June 04, 2005, 06:44:22 am God... the last thing I want to have is a mac with an "Intel Inside." That would make me sick.
Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: BFG on June 04, 2005, 11:47:07 am Quote God... the last thing I want to have is a mac with an "Intel Inside." That would make me sick. U and me both snipe, shit i think i would have to buy the hightest spec G5 and then just hold out until apple eventually got rid of the intel chips and went back to some awsome PPC chip ;) Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: BTs_Mysterio on June 04, 2005, 06:50:24 pm No one has mentioned Apple running on the x86 platform, almost every report said they would create a new custom chip.
Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: BFG on June 04, 2005, 09:09:13 pm It would seem pretty ::stupid:: to dump IBM and PPC just as they are finishing work on the new revisions of the G5 and we have Multi core chips moving towards us - everything is set up for future G5s to have some awesome processing power - i don't think im wrong is saying MP Duel or Quad setups are not out of the question, nor is Duel Multi Core configurations... What would really be the sudden advantage of uprooting absolutly everything and changing chips?
Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: one 2 lazy on June 04, 2005, 09:47:45 pm Guys you have to understand, it isn't the hardware that makes Apple an Apple. Always remember that. It is the operating system and design elements, it was never "hardware".
Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: crypt on June 05, 2005, 12:01:39 am Yes, one, but it's the hardware that won't work 100% with Mac OS that scares everyone. If they can pull it off and still have elegant hardware mixed with simple, sleek software then I'm all game for it.
Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: BTs_Mysterio on June 05, 2005, 12:35:01 am BFG, have you considered that it is the lack of the next generation (level) or dual core chips that is making Apple decide to end the PowerPC - IBM connection? The advantage would be a new custom chip design that allows for a more powerful computer and more reliable chip quantity output. Apple is tired of saying a decent Powerbook is the mother of all thermal challenges. There is also now chip level emulation they could include on these chips to allow PPC + x86 applications to run.
Also to consider is that Intel + Microsoft could be in troublesome times if Longhorn is requiring computers beyond x86 while maintaining a seamless transition. As IBM is right now, they have no advantage for either company (IBM or Apple) in remaining in such a tight union. This change would finally let Steve remove Motorola from Apple like he removed a phone while conversing with their CEO. Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: BTs_Mysterio on June 05, 2005, 02:51:47 am DON'T MIND DOUBLE POST :D, or do, but this is important.
Quote UPDATE: A new Wall Street Journal article confirms the transition plan outlined in CNET's report. "An industry executive familiar with the matter, contacted Saturday, verified that schedule." --macnn.com Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: BFG on June 05, 2005, 02:57:23 am Quote BFG, have you considered that it is the lack of the next generation (level) or dual core chips that is making Apple decide to end the PowerPC - IBM connection? As i understand from what i have heard etc, Apple have actually had duel core testing machines delivered from IBM - and look at the hints from the OS that we have seen - everything is ready for them... im not going to complain if we have to wait 6 more months for them.. Quote t. "An industry executive familiar with the matter, contacted Saturday, verified that schedule." no... i call bullshit! Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: BTs_Mysterio on June 05, 2005, 03:27:58 am From what you have read? That's of course so much more reliable than primary sources. Intel has dual core chips too BFG, so does AMD for that matter, a number in the OS doesn't lead you to any conclusions. I think everyone would care if if 3GHz was 1.5 years late, probably going to be more like 2 if IBM continues.
Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: BTs_Mysterio on June 05, 2005, 03:48:51 am Again sorry for double posts, but a scary development. In a recent test between dual 2.5 and dual 2.7 powermacs it appears the dual 2.7 got it's ass handed to it. (Same Video Card and RAM)
http://www.barefeats.com/threeway.html example: (http://www.barefeats.com/image06/thr-hal.gif) In some tests even the dual 2.0 beats it. In a computer with a extreme bus it should be loosing any tests. There should be a gradual improvement, not a dramatic loss. Gets you thinking eh? Maybe IBM never delivered any new G5s at all... Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: Cobra on June 06, 2005, 08:02:48 pm And IBM --> Intel: confirmed.
Intel Inside, starting 2006. Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: Golo on June 06, 2005, 08:33:44 pm Welcome to the darkside...
Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: BTs_GhostSniper on June 06, 2005, 08:41:52 pm Guess it's time for me to totally stop using computers. Goodbye cruel world!
::domina:: Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: Golo on June 06, 2005, 09:05:38 pm http://onebutan.com/Apple_on_x86_FAQ
Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: BTs_Mysterio on June 06, 2005, 09:06:33 pm from http://www.macnn.com/articles/05/06/06/intel.transition/
Quote At Apple's Worldwide Developer Conference today, CEO Steve Jobs announced plans to deliver Macs using Intel microprocessors by this time next year, and to transition all of its Macs to using Intel microprocessors by the end of 2007. Apple previewed a version of Mac OS X running on an Intel-based computer to the over 3,800 developers attending CEO Steve Jobs’ keynote address. Apple also announced the availability of a Developer Transition Kit, consisting of an Intel-based Mac development system along with preview versions of Apple’s software, which will allow developers to prepare versions of their applications which will run on both PowerPC and Intel-based Macs. During his keynote, Jobs revealed that Mac OS X has been "leading secret double life." Every release of Mac OS X has been built secretly for both Intel and PowerPC-based Macs. For the last 5 years, Mac OS X has been "cross-platform by design." Jobs explained how the transition will affect developers. Widget, Scripts, and Java will work without modification. Cocoa/Xcode programs will require "a few days" of work, with "tweaks" and a recompile. Carbon Apps will have to be transferred to Xcode. A new version of Xcode, delivered today, generates a single "universal binary" that supports both processors. Jobs later introduced Wolfram's CEO, who said his company ported Mathematica 5 to Intel-based Macs in 2 hours. “Our goal is to provide our customers with the best personal computers in the world, and looking ahead Intel has the strongest processor roadmap by far,” said Steve Jobs, Apple’s CEO. “It’s been ten years since our transition to the PowerPC, and we think Intel’s technology will help us create the best personal computers for the next ten years.” “We are thrilled to have the world’s most innovative personal computer company as a customer,” said Paul Otellini, president and CEO of Intel. “Apple helped found the PC industry and throughout the years has been known for fresh ideas and new approaches. We look forward to providing advanced chip technologies, and to collaborating on new initiatives, to help Apple continue to deliver innovative products for years to come.” “We plan to create future versions of Microsoft Office for the Mac that support both PowerPC and Intel processors,” said Roz Ho, general manager of Microsoft’s Macintosh Business Unit. “We have a strong relationship with Apple and will work closely with them to continue our long tradition of making great applications for a great platform.” “We think this is a really smart move on Apple’s part and plan to create future versions of our Creative Suite for Macintosh that support both PowerPC and Intel processors,” said Bruce Chizen, CEO of Adobe. The Developer Transition Kit is available starting today for $1000 to all Apple Developer Connection Select and Premier members. Further information for Apple Developer Connection members is available at developer.apple.com. Intel plans to provide industry leading development tools support for Apple later this year, including the Intel C/C++ Compiler for Apple, Intel Fortran Compiler for Apple, Intel Math Kernel Libraries for Apple and Intel Integrated Performance Primitives for Apple. So there you have it. Mac OSX has been cross platform since day 1. The humanity. I love it. Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: BFG on June 06, 2005, 11:07:14 pm not sure what to say... but fuck me i really didn't expect this.
these Intel chips coming in the next release of apples pro desktop macs better absolutely eat the G5's alive or i'm just going to give up and go buy a freaking pencil and paper Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: Civrock on June 06, 2005, 11:12:48 pm they for sure will! :D it's like the best from both worlds coming together... Apple's great OS and computer structure and Intel's CPU and speed. it'll eat any IBM-Mac or Intel-PC for breakfast, can't wait.
check this out btw: Game Developers React To Intel Switch (http://www.insidemacgames.com/features/view.php?ID=355) ::applause:: Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: BTs_Mysterio on June 06, 2005, 11:37:20 pm I don't believe the doom-sayers. People will bring a broader appeal to OSX as a whole. If apple releases a version for "any PC" we will see apple take off like never before. Steve has taken risks before, but I'm in favour of this one, IBM is a big blue giant that won't commit to anything Apple these days. the best apple could do in 8 months was over-clock a dual 2.5 which delivered LESS performance. Go Intel.
Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: Civrock on June 07, 2005, 01:18:39 am a version of MacOSX for any PC is not going to happen.
Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: .vooDoo. on June 07, 2005, 03:50:00 am LMAO. Did anyone see the specs on the Machines that they gave out to a limited amount of developers?
Mac G5's with intel chips running at 3.6ghz at a price of $999.00. Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: DarK. on June 07, 2005, 04:52:31 am If this comes out soon Im going to be kicking myself because of my new purchase...
Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: .vooDoo. on June 07, 2005, 05:05:10 am They will start introducing intel chips in some computers soon but it will be a 2 year transition period.
Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: BTs_Mysterio on June 07, 2005, 06:08:51 am The first computers are going to be announced at MWSF in January o6, and as steve said, they will be shipping and on store-shelves before next WWDC. I believe there's the misconception here that the processor change itself in NEW macs will probably only be one year. Apple also takes into account the shift of developers to the universal binary system.
I don't know why but a PowerMac with a Intel chips sounds appealing to replace this G5 in 07. BTW, to all that watched the keynote stream, DAMN, those guys/gals were all drunk or something (the company reps). It was a funny show in many ways. (The whole keynote was done using a 3.6 P4 - including all mac/tiger demos) I would call it a safe bet to say that Leopard will be the last Intel/PPC version of OSX. Let's hope it goes out with a boom... in a good way. Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: BFG on June 07, 2005, 03:33:52 pm I still don't know what the heck to think about the move... I was a massive fan of IBM and the PPC chips, and i thought there was a lot more milage there, and im
Apple has been blowing the 64bit horn for a while now with the G5's, and i hope it goes without saying that these intel chips will be 64bit standard?! MP Machines? Most of us rely on having DP systems for work so surely apple is going to stick with this, how well do intels processors work in MP configurations be it duel or quad? What is the roadmap for the Intel chips, what speeds are we looking at, what mm process are they? in terms of pipline lengh how great do the Intel chips differ? Why am i asking so many questions and does anyone know where i can find the answers?! Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: BTs_Mysterio on June 07, 2005, 09:18:16 pm How thorughly have you watched the keynote BFG. All but 64bit and MP are covered. Did you see how snappy the intel machine was? That was very impressive.
Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: .vooDoo. on June 07, 2005, 10:41:17 pm How thorughly have you watched the keynote BFG. All but 64bit and MP are covered. Did you see how snappy the intel machine was? That was very impressive. Yes BFG, if you have a spare 2 hours, watch the keynote. All your questions will be answered there. It was probably the best apple keynote that I have seen. As Mysterio said it was quite funny and the developer of "Mathmatica" was the funniest. You could feel how nervous he was and being so nerdy it was very comical. Quote I would call it a safe bet to say that Leopard will be the last Intel/PPC version of OSX. Let's hope it goes out with a boom... in a good way. Why is that? They have been developing Mac osx to run on both Intel and ppc for the past 5 years. It was the "Just in Case" senerio. So I would believe if they would ever go back to ppc they would develop osx to run on both natively. Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: BTs_Mysterio on June 07, 2005, 10:48:56 pm To force the switch voodoo. More moving forward is more sales for apple. Sure, they might continue the OSX developement in that corner building of the complex, but I doubt we'll see any public PPC releases past Leopard.
Secondairy note: For anyone with bit torrent systems, the high quality stream is now avaible as a torrent for DL. (~160MB) Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: .vooDoo. on June 07, 2005, 11:16:47 pm To force the switch voodoo. More moving forward is more sales for apple. Sure, they might continue the OSX developement in that corner building of the complex, but I doubt we'll see any public PPC releases past Leopard. What are you talking about? Force what? I know "You doubt you will see any public ppc releases past Leopard", and Im not going to argue any further but...your a mac user, Your suppose to "Think Different". Just look at what has been going on behind our backs for the past 5 years. Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: BTs_Mysterio on June 07, 2005, 11:21:15 pm I didn't argue that they would continue behind our backs with the PPC.
Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: Civrock on June 08, 2005, 01:57:50 pm http://www.powerpage.org/cgi-bin/WebObjects/powerpage.woa/wa/story?newsID=14643
Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: .vooDoo. on June 08, 2005, 06:21:28 pm Looks fake to me. Not pretty enough to be a Mac.
Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: Civrock on June 08, 2005, 06:39:37 pm the Pentium simply needs much less cooling than the G5, that's why there is so much space left in the G5 enclosure. i expect the Intel-Macs to be smaller than the current G5s and Intel-PowerBooks of course.
Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: BFG on June 08, 2005, 08:24:44 pm There is a poster on my wall near the computer... its one of the classic mac adverts - a snail with a intel pentium 2 chip on its back... I just can't help but wonder if these new intel macs are going to be up to the job, ok ok so apple says they are, and of course who is going to downgrade... but after soaking up all the hype about the G5's etc etc im just still sulking. I blame IBM you lazy buggers why the feck couldn't you pull your fingers out and supply us with the shit?
Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: Civrock on June 08, 2005, 08:30:59 pm because Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo pay more.
Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: BTs_Mysterio on June 08, 2005, 09:31:27 pm For the record, that image was the PC someone put in a G5 case... big stir awhile back. The Pentium is a superior processor in the forseeable future. IBM has great POWER chips (not PPC) and the most recent top end mac was a step backwards from the 2.5 (see my older post).
I expect to see a slight modification to the look (the shape/grill) due to the reduced size requirements. Then again they may just give you 2 Optical Bays, and 4 SATA ports. Also on the bright side, PCIe will probably finally make it to mac with the intel chips... obvious but fun. Also, I doubt we will see the low end go Intel first, I think it will go this order: PowerMac - MWSF (Jan) [Dual core 3.6-4.2GHz] PowerBook - MWSF (Jan) [Single/dual core 3-3.4 GHz] iMac - March Update (same time eMac declared EOL'd) [3.2 GHz] iBook - WWDC [<3GHz] Mac Mini -WWDC [<3GHz] [ "-" my guess at the range the top end will fall in] Until then at AE(Apple Expo - Paris - Sept 05) we should all look forward to the 5G iPod/Leopard. What more can we look forward to? • >30in Display with PCIe cards • HP gaining OSX machines Fun years ahead. Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: BFG on June 08, 2005, 10:14:30 pm Quote The Pentium is a superior processor in the forseeable future. IBM has great POWER chips (not PPC) and the most recent top end mac was a step backwards from the 2.5 (see my older post). Its a superior processor in the foreseeable future? Ok according to what Myst? Do you know anything else other than what was said at WWDC because i don't see it... or is this just repeating what was said at the keynote? do you actually know what the road map for the Intel chips are that are coming for the mac? . the G5 processors have been kicking out serious power at much lower clock speeds than the Intel chips - the Pentium 4 chip was basically the Pentium 3 chip but with a shortened pipeline so that they could crank the Mhz up... not wildly impressed. Now are we going to see a new Mac Specific Chip or are we going to be seeing Pentium 4 chips in a mac? if so im just going straight out to by my G5 and get a good fast machine now. Question... what is to stop Mac box's duel booting with Windows? What is to stop OSX booting Wintel machines? Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: BTs_Mysterio on June 08, 2005, 10:22:59 pm BFG, perhaps your blind faith should go do some research. You jump to the conclusions of a fanatic on Intel. We are going to see the next generation level chips in Macs. Incase you missed all of this there is a impressive roadmap from intel. Why would Apple knowingly go with intel and the complications (MacOS on any CD) unless there were clear benefits.
Apple has stated they will no prevent Apple computers from running Windows. Apple has also stated they will not allow any old PC to run OSX (aka only Macs). Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: BFG on June 08, 2005, 10:30:35 pm ... um exuse me what blind faith? thats why im asking so many damn questions especially given you just seemed to be repeating what you had heard in the blurb from Steve in the Keynote. What i want to see is actual information regarding the roadmap regarding the chips that will be being used in the macs.
"we're going to see the next gen level of chips in macs" - Which means what exactly?! you've seen what the road map is for the chips for the mac have you? Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: BTs_Mysterio on June 08, 2005, 10:35:00 pm Intel isn't as secretive about future chips. You can find info on future intel products on almost any PC news sites. You are blindly attacking intel as a whole. In every post you've made on the topic. Incase you missed it, Steve spoke for 50+ minutes on Apple + Intel. You haven't even seen the keynote, or read todays news on MacNN or CNet, yet you ask questions.
Educate yourself through actually watching the keynote, and actually reading all information before you come here a troll against Intel (and Apple). Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: BFG on June 08, 2005, 11:04:25 pm Haha sorry i can't help it but you really crack me up sometimes myst.
1. Great please show me the roadmap for the chips that are going in the mac because i can't find it and seeing as you give the impression you know all the information it would be nice for you to share it. 2. Im not blindly attacking them and i love the 'trolling' ha - its called questioning what is going on. dunno its great if you live life being spoon fed all the time but im not going to go running around shouting how fantastic everything is when we or at least i still don't know exactly what is going to happen. 3. nice assumptions, but ive watched it, read it, read it and read as much as i could find all over the place. Im really pleased if your made happy watching the bunny advert and Intel bods talking about a lovely relationship, but id really like some preoper information about what is going to happen. If you know exactly what chips apple will be using, if you know what other hardware changes we will be seeing, if you know exactly how the OS will be limited to only run on Mac hardware, if you know exactly what the road map for the chip that apple will be using is then please do share it, otherwise shut up because the blind dribble is getting mighty boring. Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: BTs_Mysterio on June 08, 2005, 11:31:59 pm You obviously don't try hard when you are looking. Try the google search in the bar. You resort to personal attacks, showing a true troll level. This is a mac community. Blind attacks on mac for no reason is called trolling. You contradict yourself, until you get your story straight this is the last time I will address you on this topic.
(http://joyoftech.com/joyoftech/joyimages/693.gif) Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: BFG on June 08, 2005, 11:57:29 pm Hmm alright so you go on about my "blind attacks" my "trolling" and told me to "educate myself" to be honest with posts like yours I'm surprised not everybody finishes there responses with a request that you stfu or try and stop behaving like such an arrogant little kid. as for the "Blind attacks on mac" well please do explain where that came from because right now you seem to be either reading your bed time story or just suffering from a common case of verbal diarrhea, no where anywhere have i blindly attacked mac for no reason.
each time i ask for information you can't/won't supply it. which bit of "I can't find it" or "please do share it" did you not understand. it was quite simple, if you don't want to fine but like i said before it doesn't seem out of order to ask you to actually back up your sales blurb with some actual information, and your wonderfully intelligent and witty "try the google bar" is well... pretty sad mate. If its the "last time you'll address me on this topic" thats fantastic. Since nobody else is seeming to pretend to know all the answers to my questions nor respond with arrogant immature responses i can look forward to some intelligent responses from other people. Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: BTs_Mysterio on June 09, 2005, 12:22:10 am http://itpapers.techrepublic.com/thankyou.aspx?scid=127&docid=99844&view=99844
Roadmap for Intel on 64-bit including 32bit compatibility (free sign up). Quote Info out of Intel says that the first of these is code named “Lyndon” and will have 2MB of Cache, and even have 64-bit extensions to the x86 instruction set, Intel will "aggressively" bring 64-bit capabilities to its desktop processors in the first half of 2005. Of course it would help if Microsoft got their butts in gear with Longhorn to use the 64-bit hardware, huh? -http://homepage.mac.com/techedgeezine/2005_0117_intel%20cache-king.htm More Useful info: http://www.networkworld.com/news/2005/030705-intel.html Quote The 64-bit CPUs will be single-core products based on the Pentium 4 architecture with 2MB of cache, and will be targeted primarily at gamers and enthusiasts, according to Intel. ... In addition to the 64-bit announcement, Intel also clarified their dual-core CPU plans. A dual-core Smithfield processor will ship in the first quarter of 2005, earlier than many analysts had suspected. The dual-core CPU will be part of Intel's Lyndon platform, which will also include the SpeedStep power management technology used in their Pentium M laptop CPUs. Look for the dual core CPUs to initially be clocked in the 2.8-3.0GHz range upon release. Intel plans call for dual core CPUs to make up 70 percent of their desktop processor shipments by 2006. ... With the announcement of the dual-core and 64-bit CPUs, Intel CEO Craig Barrett says that the CPU maker's troubles of 2004 are behind them, and is back on track. "You should walk away with the message that we have recovered from those missteps and the machine is firing on all cylinders on those introductions," he said. -http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20041208-4445.html Quote It is expected to be built on a 65nm process and contain two CPU cores on a single die taking 151.6 million transistors (compared to around 140m in Dothan). Jonah is expected to feature a 667Mhz FSB speed and a 2Mb L2 cache shared between the two cores. In addition to the featureset of Dothan, Jonah will feature an updated SSE instruction set (SSE3 support and SSE/SSE2 support tied to MicroOps Fusion, and throughput improvement in the SSE Decoder) along with improved performance of the x86 FPU. ... Intel Calistoga chipsets (955XM, 945PM, 945GM and 940GML), part of the Napa platform for Jonah, are expected to be released in Q1. Calistoga chipsets are expected to support a 667Mhz FSB, DDR-2 667 and PCI Express. Calistoga will be paired with ICH7-M, featuring 4xSATA-300 ports, and the Golan wireless chipset, supporting 80211a/b/g and WPA2. ... ntel E7520 (Blackford) chipset for Dempsey is expected to be released in Q1. This chipset is expected to feature support for a 1066Mhz FSB speed, Intel's I/O acceleration, Intel Virtualisation Technology (formally Vanderpool) and Active Management technology. ... Intel Pentium D 9xx (Presler) is expected to be released in Q2 as part of the Averill platform. Presler is the 65nm successor to Smithfield and features two physically separate cores in a single package, each with a 2MB L2 cache (for a total of 4MB of L2 cache). The two cores will communicate over a dedicated external 800Mhz FSB. .... Intel Pentium Extreme Edition (Presler) is expected to be released in Q2. The Pentium Extreme Edition (Presler) is the 65nm successor to the Pentium Extreme Edition (Smithfield) In addition to the featureset of the Pentium D Presler, the Extreme Edition features Hyperthreading support in each of the cores and runs on a 1066Mhz FSB. ... Intel Sossaman CPU is expected to be released in H1 2006. Although Sossaman is expected to be a desktop CPU, based on the E7520 chipset, it is expected to be a dual core processor based on the Yonah core. Sossaman is a low power processor, with the 2Ghz revision having a TDP of 31W, with the 1.67Ghz LV version having a TDP of just 15W. ... Intel Merom Mobile processor, the successor to Jonah and part of the Santa Rosa platform, is expected to be released in Late 2006. Merom will be built on a 65nm process and is expected to feature a different architecture to previous Banias-based processors, providing a 20-30% performance improvement per clock. Merom is expected to be a dual-core CPU ... Intel Crestine-GM (Crestline?) chipset for Merom is expected to be released in Late 2006. Crestine-GM is part of the Santa Rosa platform and is expected to support an 800Mhz FSB speed, DDRII 800 SDRAM and PCI Express. Crestine is expected to interface to ICH8-M, featuring support for Serial ATA 300, and the Golan2 / Annadel wireless chipset supporting 80211a/b/g and 11n WiMax. ... Intel Conroe desktop CPU is expected to be released in Late 2006. Conroe is a dual core CPU based around the Merom core (i.e. it is based on a non-Netburst architecture). In order to increase the performance of this CPU for the desktop market, some of the power constraints from Merom will be removed. Conroe will feature virtualization capabilities, LaGrande technology and 64-bit capability in addition to EDB, EIST and iAMT2. ... Intel Shavano IA-64 CPU is expected to be released in 2005/2006. Shavano is the successor to Intel's Montecito IA-64 CPU. Shavano is expected to be a dual core processor design and may introduce an asynchronous serial FSB. (Still on Intel's Roadmap?) -http://freespace.virgin.net/m.warner/Roadmap2006.htm (A roadmap gathered from information released) Not too hard to find BFG. P.S. From the 2007 roadmap (Q3) Quote Intel Whitefield CPU is expected to be released in Q3. Whitefield is expected to be an entirely new CPU design for MP servers, replacing the current NetBurst architecture with a low power, possibly a 4 core Jonah design using the former Tanglewood interface. Whitefield is expected to come from Intel's design centre in India and is expected to debut at a clock speed of 2.6Ghz. Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: BFG on June 09, 2005, 12:52:38 pm Allright thanks for that road map stuff - interesting read, what i had read before was much more recent ie 2005/2006
However we don't know where in that road map the Intel chips for the Macs fit in. And as this (http://www.publish.com/article2/0,1759,1825701,00.asp) article mentions, there was a nasty lack of information from intel and steve as to the nature of these chips - we don't know for certain that we will be seeing 64bit chips. Ok it would make sense, it would seem crazy to go back to 32bit... but who really believed Apple was going to move to Intel if you'd been asked 6months ago?! it seemed pretty crazy. There is a big worry that apple is shifting more towards a consumer base and that this move will not be favorable for business / the pro market. We have seen the pictures so many times of steve showing of just how much faster the G5's are in photoshop or FCP in comparison to Intel Pentium box's... all-right it sounds like we are going to see some great new chips from intel, but there are things like Altivec which we loose (yes there is SSE i know but many pro apps have been very carefully optimized to the max for the G5's with altivec). Its great to see the hardware other tech advances that we will most likely get in these box's however. PCI Express and Serial ATA, DDR 2 SDRAM support, and HD audio. We don't have any of these yet and thats not good. Hell we still don't even have RAID on the motherboard. Also im assuming this means components such as the GPU will become much cheaper as the need for mac specific versions should be removed? Re the shape and size of the Intel macs, well i think we'll see quite a significant change. Firstly these chips run one hell of a lot cooler so that need for a stunningly designed 8 fan set up in the G5 desktops shouldn't be necessary. Lots more free space for either slimming the tower and or adding in extra goodies! The Intel chips are known to run somewhat louder so i hope they find a way to keep the decibels to a minimum Myst i'll never troll Mac, crikey im more likely to chew my left leg off than randomly slag off apple. Im just worried! This is a big big move for apple, and its going to be interesting to see exactly where it re-aligns itself. My real worry is that the re-alignment is towards a bigger lower level consumer base building off the ipod etc... and that the pro hi end will be marginalized. that said given the fantastic software they bring us (FCS etc) i can't see them not making sure we keep getting the goods to run it as best as possible. Its going to be mighty interesting to see what happens.... Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: Civrock on June 09, 2005, 01:24:13 pm two very interesting articles can be found at HardMac respectively MacBidouille:
http://www.hardmac.com/niouzcontenu.php?date=2005-06-09#4144 Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: BTs_Mysterio on June 09, 2005, 01:28:00 pm Oh, just to say something to that, they have on the roadmap Pentium 64bit chips (Q1 '06) so I assumed apple would use them. On the topic of Altivec, recently that was almost a lost cause on G5s. When they debuted in 2003 there were no Apps tapping into the altivec. I don't know the status today, but people always complain about the lack of quality alitivec, so I'm not sure it will be a big problem.
The Developer MacTels were sent out with PCIe, however they didn't have SLI support yet. They were stock chips because Intel is in the process of updating the processor line up. My favourite part is that the Powerbooks will get some proper CPUs. As mentioned previously, Intel has a dual core chip for mid 06 (mobile) and a quad chip for Q3 2007 (mobile). Desktops and Notebooks will be in perfect Harmony. I expect from the first Powermacs: -3.6-4.0 GHz (dual core) x2 -PCIe (x5) -SLI compatibility -4 SATA bays -Up to 8GB (or more?) RAM -64-bit -No Sticker or Jingle -And some fancy stuff I hope: -1GB RAM standard -2 Optical bays so PCers will shut up about that. Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: th.Sentinel on June 09, 2005, 02:27:38 pm Here is an intresting link from xlr8yourmac
http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/#S19340 Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: BFG on June 09, 2005, 02:43:24 pm very very interesting.
Quote Macintosh computers using Intel microprocessors do not use Open Firmware. Although many parts of the IO registry are present and work as expected, information that is provided by Open Firmware on a Macintosh using a PowerPC microprocessor (such as a complete device tree) is not available in the IO registry on a Macintosh using an Intel microprocessor The alternative is BIOS then... which apparently the Dev machines have, and is a massive step backwards. With no Open Firmware the alternative is the EFI boot driver. Quote Compared with any 68K or PowerPC Mac, the BIOS is an enormous step backwards to times before Mac Plus. An X86 Mac based on the EFI inititive or Open Firmware could well be the future. To base the Mac on BIOS seems to be a bad joke. Looking at the EFI feature set and combining the information under 1) and 2) I fear the worst did happen. If we are going to get the BIOS, it is time to stand up and strongly push back. nice article at arstechnica (http://arstechnica.com/columns/mac/mac-20050607.ars) as well Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: Civrock on June 09, 2005, 04:27:52 pm an even better one at ArsTechnica here (http://arstechnica.com/columns/mac/mac-20050608.ars). ^^
Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: BTs_Mysterio on June 09, 2005, 09:14:34 pm Jonah News:
http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1123 Quote A higher-performance, dual-core version of Intel's Pentium M processor due early next year is a likely candidate to boost Apple's PowerBook line of notebook computers beyond the 2GHz milestone. The chip, code-named "Yonah," is due to begin showing up in Windows-based systems in the first quarter of 2006 -- a few months before Apple is expected to roll-out its first Intel-based Macs. Initially, dual-core versions Yonah will be available in four flavors, ranging from 1.66GHz to 2.16GHz, each with a 667MHz front side bus. A single core 1.66GHz version of Yonah is also reportedly in the works. According to DigiTimes, 1000-unit lots of the dual core chips will wholesale between US$241 on the low-end and US$637 for the top-of-the-line 2.16GHz model. It's possible that Apple, which will likely purchase several hundred thousand of the chips, will be able to obtain them at a further reduced cost. Yonah will also represent Intel’s transition from 90nm technology to a 65nm process and is expected to become the gemstone of Napa -- the company's dual-core notebook platform and third generation Centrino bundle. However, the chip will be approximately 70% smaller than the original Centrino chip set, requiring significantly less board space. At a press conference last Thursday, Intel said the chip's twin cores will increase multitasking performance in notebook-based systems, but also help extend battery life. A feature called Dynamic Power Coordination will allow Yonah's two cores to be power-managed independently, making it possible to shut down one of the cores to aid in power consumption. It will also allow for on-the-fly changes to the chip's voltage and frequency, the company said. Another major feature of Yonah is Digital Media Boost, a dual-part update delivering improvements the chips SSE instructions for multimedia and Floating Point unit. Together, Intel says the updates will improve everything from digital photo manipulation to video editing, gaming, and music. Yonah will also sport a new shared memory 2MB level 2 cache, dubbed "Smart Cache," which will keep data in close proximity to the processor cores for faster access. This feature is a prime component of Yonah's enhanced power management because it allows a single core to access the chip's entire memory cache when the other core is switched off. It's believed that 32-bit Yonah chip will also be used in compact Apple desktop design, like the Mac mini. Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: BFG on June 10, 2005, 01:08:36 pm Question: Apple said they won't stop people running Windows on their mac-intel box's. This has scared mac gaming developers big time... are mac gamers going to do what linux gamers did? why pay $50 for a mac game when you can just boot up windows and play the same game that you buy for $25 or somthing? Now i want to play my games under X no question about it, but is everyone going to feel that way? If apple stopped windows from booting it wouldn't be a problem... but from what ive read there are some very worried people.
also : Quote What happened to the PowerPC's supposed performance advantage over Intel? This is the Altivec Factor -- PowerPC's dedicated vector processor in the G4 and G5 chips that make them so fast at running applications like Adobe Photoshop and doing that vaunted H.264 video compression. Apple loved to pull Phil Schiller onstage to do side-by-side speed tests showing how much faster in real life the G4s and G5s were than their Pentium equivalents. Was that so much BS? Did Apple not really mean it? And why was the question totally ignored in this week's presentation? Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: BTs_Mysterio on June 10, 2005, 01:24:58 pm BFG, to that quote you have there. They may have been faster in the past. Apple specifically said that Intel's roadmap was far more impressive than what IBM had planned.
Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: BFG on June 10, 2005, 01:50:51 pm yeah guess so. hmm goes without saying that if you have a DP Duel or Quad Core set up thats petty much going to spank on everything else isn't it :)
Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: BFG on June 12, 2005, 08:53:13 pm From um... macslash i think
"Steve Jobs has confirmed the rumors on stage at the Apple Worldwide Developer's Conference. For the past 5 years Apple has had a secret team building all version of MacOS X for Intel chips since the beginning.On stage, jobs demoed a version of OS X running on quad processor(!) 3.6GHz Pentium 4 machine. Developers will need to use XCode to build applications for both current PowerPC machines and Intel machines, which should debut or consumers sometime next year." Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: bronto on June 12, 2005, 10:47:34 pm i personally think you people care too much about computers.
if they were upgrading the Human Female to version 2.0 and adding an extra Vagina Drive with a STFU feature and switching over to the Non-Menstural OS, i wouldn't be so concerned if you were raving...but computers? come on now. Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: BTs_Mysterio on June 13, 2005, 12:59:18 am From um... macslash i think "Steve Jobs has confirmed the rumors on stage at the Apple Worldwide Developer's Conference. For the past 5 years Apple has had a secret team building all version of MacOS X for Intel chips since the beginning.On stage, jobs demoed a version of OS X running on quad processor(!) 3.6GHz Pentium 4 machine. Developers will need to use XCode to build applications for both current PowerPC machines and Intel machines, which should debut or consumers sometime next year." That's not true. It was a single... single 3.6 P4. It was basically the developer computer they sent out for 999 to the premium ADCs. Bronto, blah blah. Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: BFG on October 24, 2005, 07:16:48 pm So as we move to intel... the PPC finally looks to deliver on its shortcomings... a little to late! A fresh new company will begin offering a new family of low-power, multicore, PowerPC architecture processors in 2006.
read more here (http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1876371,00.asp) P.A. Semi's first processor, a chip dubbed PA6T-1682M, will include two 2GHz processor cores, a pair of DDR2 memory controllers, 2MB of Level 2 cache, and an I/O subsystem consisting of eight PCI Express controllers, two 10-gigabit Ethernet controllers, and four gigabit Ethernet controllers, the company said. Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: BFG on November 05, 2005, 05:30:19 pm Along with its transition to Intel processors, Apple Computer in the first half of next year will introduce new eye-catching industrial designs for both of its laptop offerings
http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1359 Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: Civrock on November 07, 2005, 02:27:22 pm Very interesting article:
http://www.corante.com/apple/archives/2005/11/04/mactel_strategy_includes_windows_and_linux.php Title: Re: XBOX dumps Intel, IBM dumps Apple - Two rejects unite? Post by: Civrock on November 15, 2005, 10:48:18 am http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/20051114comp.htm
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