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Title: Final ruling for Ghr Finals Post by: cO.twist on April 06, 2005, 12:04:06 am First of all, I would like to thank all of the admins of the *DBL for trying to solve this issue. But I've come to realize that all of this shit isn't worth all of the trouble that it's caused. So we (cO) would like to congradulate Plagued Ops for winning the Finals for Season X. However, we (cO) in NO way feel that it was an earned victory. Starting out a match that important down 0-1 really affects the way you play mentally. So in other words, you guys didn't beat us (fairly) by any means. But like i said before, obviously this championship has meant a lot to you guys, so enjoy it, and hopefully we will meet again in the finals next time...starting at 0-0.
Reopened - Mauti Title: Re: Final ruling for Ghr Finals Post by: cO.Vickedson on April 06, 2005, 12:07:51 am Good sportsmanship kid.
+Vick Title: Re: Final ruling for Ghr Finals Post by: spike on April 06, 2005, 01:21:26 am I'm glad that cO chose to take the higher path, and do the mature thing. I commend their decision, and I hope that we will see them again next season, because we need more clans in the dbl like them.
Title: Re: Final ruling for Ghr Finals Post by: [:] Narauko on April 06, 2005, 01:44:40 am To hand them a 1-0 win for the finals was a huge lack of judgment. For Po to accept it...well I wouldn't take a cheap win.
nark? Title: Re: Final ruling for Ghr Finals Post by: ~Po~ TiroFino on April 06, 2005, 01:51:19 am I thought we weren't supposed to flame anymore about this topic? 1-0 win... we had to beat them 4 other times to win, and if you want the replays I'll gladly hand them to you, so you can see how we PWNED!
Title: Re: Final ruling for Ghr Finals Post by: joeboy on April 06, 2005, 01:53:40 am Ok.
Think what you will. I'm sure nothing I can do will chance it. But i do want to make one thing clear cO: was online at the appointed time and didn't appear to start the cb, one of them pm'd me and told me he was gonna walk his dog (with no sarcasm that I could detect). cO: didn't seem concerned with starting on time, and whether or not they deserved a 1 - 0 penalty is something to be left to the admins. I just feel this whole situation could have been easily avoided, in a number of ways. As a grunt in Po)| I'm far from being the official spokeman, but I know I for one am eager for next season and hope to see cO: there. If they're not well...that's their decision. now, go ahead and flame me. Title: Re: Final ruling for Ghr Finals Post by: ~Po~ TiroFino on April 06, 2005, 02:04:59 am and Nark?, with what went down between your clan and another clan with regards to some "free sheep" you took from them w/o really cbying them, I wouldn't be preaching honorability here ! So STFU ! :-X
Title: Re: Final ruling for Ghr Finals Post by: [a] kitkat on April 06, 2005, 02:06:16 am To hand them a 1-0 win for the finals was a huge lack of judgment. For Po to accept it...well I wouldn't take a cheap win. nark? Lack of judgement Nark? I think you should be more carefull about about what you say after [?]s little interesting history this season. Unless you still want to talk about lack of judgment...? I didn't think so. Title: Re: Final ruling for Ghr Finals Post by: spike on April 06, 2005, 02:08:24 am Yeah, co twist thought this topic shouldnt be locked, because there was nothing bad in it. Apparently, some people can make a bad thing out of anything. cO graciously accepted their defeat tiro, and you have to sit here and rub it in? Your clan has less class than I thought.
ANYONE ELSE WHO FLAMES IN THIS THREAD WILL BE HEARING FROM ME Title: Re: Final ruling for Ghr Finals Post by: {E} Ive on April 06, 2005, 02:17:51 am Don't think this is flaming btu i guess i get consequences if it is... I have a lot of respect for the Po guys there on evernight just having fun. Our cbs have always been good games between friends. Were all playing by the same rule book the roles could of easily been switched. I don't think its fair to call them unsportmanlike an such.. especially from one incident take time an get to know em then judge.
Title: Re: Final ruling for Ghr Finals Post by: theweakspot on April 06, 2005, 02:19:32 am the whole thing is ridiculous in my opinion. There is a delay in EVERY cb, why should cO have been penalized? I see no fault in Po's decision to accept it, however. Your clan might not have taken it, but they were offered the chance and they took it.
At the same time, I'm sure Po members realize that they in fact had an advantage beginning the cb no matter what. No one can say what might have happened had the two teams begun on the same footing. As a note, cO was almost 30 minutes 'late' to our scheduled cb and we were not offered, nor would have taken, a penalty. Shit always happens in cbs. I just think we're too much of a small community to punish a clan for what happens in ever damned cb. Title: Re: Final ruling for Ghr Finals Post by: BTs_GhostSniper on April 06, 2005, 02:22:50 am I watched the chat in the mainwindow with one eye, while chatting with other ppl. And then i suddenly noticed Mauti was calling for Co to show up. He repeated that message a few times. Then ...i think it was BTs Ghostsniper (if it wasnt you, sry Ghost, but i think it was) that told him "they are in a practise-cb Mauti - come on, let them play. And Mauti replied something like "they are now 18 minutes past the announced start-time..." And that heavy chatting went on for a little while. Wasn't me, but it's okay. I wasn't anywhere near GameRanger during the finals (thank God!). I don't particularly like a bunch of live drama (had my fill of that a few seasons back when BTs got banned during the finals). I don't mind it so much here, because people generally think before they say something (having to actually decide to post what you say and all). But anyhow, hope it all dies down soon...I'm actually all about the peaceful co-existance with my fellow man (and woman) these days. So anyways, just want to say congratulations to Po)| on their win, and congratulations to cO: for doing so well this season. What's done is done, no matter who anyone thinks may be at fault. It's just a game...it's not like any of GhostSniper's money was up for grabs for winning (unlike in the quiz over in the General Gossip...hint, hint). Peace. -GhostSniper Out.[/size] Title: Re: Final ruling for Ghr Finals Post by: Eaglefox23 on April 06, 2005, 02:25:16 am Ok, First I will like to say that im not a representative of Po, I am just a soldier and I have the right to an opinion when my clan is under attack.
I did not play in the finals and I am not sure how it went down, but I do know this: When cO accepted their 1-0 punishment for being late and went ahead and started the final CB, they lost every right for an argument after that. Once you agree that you have done something wrong and consciously accept the consequences of it, you cant go back. If you thought that the punishment was so wrong, you should have refuse to play the finals match. Now, I like cO. I think they are a bunch of cool guys and extremely good players. I don’t blame them for this situation. However, whom I do blame are the representatives of the Battle league. You have the authority here and once you made the decision of giving cO a 1-0 disadvantage for being late, that should have been the end of it. You should have not even considered try to come up with a solution to this problem when cO complained about it after the game, because there shouldn’t have been a problem at all. When you went ahead and gave cO the 1-0 disadvantage and Po accepted and then cO accepted, that should have been the end of this discussion, and that should have been your argument against cO. PS: Dr. Spike, you encouraged this reaction with you first post of this treat by suggesting that cO is the mature clan and not Po, You have the authority here and YOU SHOULD use it responsibly Title: Re: Final ruling for Ghr Finals Post by: spike on April 06, 2005, 02:27:38 am I admire cO for their maturity, I wish we had more like them. I admire Po)| for their skill, I wish we had more like that. Satisfied?
Title: Re: Final ruling for Ghr Finals Post by: BTs_GhostSniper on April 06, 2005, 02:36:52 am I am sorry then Ghost...really. No problem...I've been accused of worse.[/size] ;) ;D Title: Re: Final ruling for Ghr Finals Post by: cO.twist on April 06, 2005, 02:36:59 am And I am getting tired of listening to ppl telling others, that they are in some way stupid because they follow rules. We are not talking about some tiny little time-delay here. We are talking about a situation where a clan shows up at least 30 minutes too late, eventhough they have all their players online ( as far as i know). Well I don't like hearing 10 different versions of this story. Like you said, you were watching w/ one eye, so stop making assumptions about this matter. I told Hunter that we needed 5 minutes because it was 8 in the morning for Bonfire, and 10 am for the rest of them. He said that was cool. We ended up playing 2 games instead of 1, because like i said, it was early. Static was warming up w/ us so he can verify all of this. I was contacted by krush on nf in the middle of the 2nd game, and he told me that Mauti said to come out. I told Krush to tell him to hang on, the game was almost over. He then said that if we don't come out now, then we will receive the 1-0 penalty. So i force quit the game, didn't even go to the debrief. This is when Mauti said that we would receive the penalty. Like I said, I was surprised that the decision only was a penalty for 1 point. I think Mauti or whatever admin who took that decision was being polite, also because they mb just wanted a Season without some heavy complicated outcome. Dude, give me a break, we are talking 12 minutes...not 30+. that's not that big of a deal. But if you want to be anal about it, then yes, we were late. But when Mauti told me that there would be the penalty, i started laughing...assuming that they wouldn't accept such a rediculus penalty to us...which i will say again, we would NEVER do. But obviously i was wrong. Title: Re: Final ruling for Ghr Finals Post by: [a] kitkat on April 06, 2005, 02:37:33 am For whatever its worth. I still like cO.. I think they are a cool bunch of guys and fun to play with... and I still think cO.Bonfire is the best player in GhR.
Title: Re: Final ruling for Ghr Finals Post by: cO.twist on April 06, 2005, 02:40:12 am wow im slow at posting
When you went ahead and gave cO the 1-0 disadvantage and Po accepted and then cO accepted, that should have been the end of this discussion, and that should have been your argument against cO. dude, i didnt have a choice whether or not to 'accept' it..if i didnt, then wouldnt that be considered a forfeit? Title: Re: Final ruling for Ghr Finals Post by: *DAMN Mauti on April 06, 2005, 02:41:22 am @ weakspot: well remember in the [a] vs. :cO:. example I told you that their deadline is soon over and if you want to wait or if I shall get them out. I even went into their room asking how long they app. gonna need and told you the current score and you said you can wait.
That's the difference to the Po)| vs. :cO:. story, where Po)| made clear from the very first moment that they need to get it done asap. Tomorrow I gonna post some details about the RvS SuperFinals and some final words about this story here. At all I'm happy with :cO:.'s move and that we can finally get over it, and if emotions weren't involved that much I think this would have been posted usually right after the clanbattle. Bye, Mauti Title: Re: Final ruling for Ghr Finals Post by: *DAMN Mauti on April 06, 2005, 02:48:23 am To help everybody getting the facts straight here is the official *DBL report of final finals round, hope now everyone can leave this all behind, to quote a U2 song ;)
Written by Static and Mauti Quote Some of the community has heard of the situation between Po and the cO clans. For those that DO NOT know, here is a brief description of the situation the admins are faced with... Po and cO won their respected sides of the bracket to square off head-to-head in the SuperFinals. The teams attended the pre-match meeting to hash-out all of the required rules, regulations and password for the clan battle to begin. Following the meeting the cO clan was waiting for one player to show up to begin. The player joined GameRanger at approx. 12:23, only seven minutes till the start of the clan battle.(it was 0823 his time) The cO clan asked for 5 minutes to warm-up together, and it was granted by the Po clan. At approx> 12:29 the cO clan was asked, by cO krush as requested by Mauti, to come out of the warm-up room and start the battle, because as mentioned a few times before the deadline is half past. At that time cO ingnored the request and continued of 7 more minutes, till 12:36. cO closed the warm-up room at this time (12:36) and was informed that Mauti, who acted alone on this decision, was being penalized with a one game loss, giving Po a 1-0-0 advantage before the battle started. The penalty was given to cO for breaking the rules: exceeding a deadline for 6 minutes. Po stated that "they had time constraints due to a player having to leave soon". (Po had may extra players online at this time to sub in if necessary) As a result of the penalty cO lost to Po 5-3-1, giving Po the season title. Good night, Mauti Title: Re: Final ruling for Ghr Finals Post by: cO.twist on April 06, 2005, 02:51:49 am like i said...6 minutes over the deadline. NOT 30.
My previous post was just a more detailed explanation from what Mauti wrote. Title: Re: Final ruling for Ghr Finals Post by: [:] Narauko on April 06, 2005, 03:04:38 am Po, if you wish to take that topic up please speak to ein. It is about time the community spoke up about it, because for me that topic is old news. I'm sick and tired of waiting for a official decision from DAMN about the position of Ein.
It wasn't a clan decision and shouldn't be pointed at me. My comment maybe harsh but its just my opinion, one that echoes from many tongues. Perhaps if the ruling stood at the start of the season or even before the finals that, if late you would be dealt with penaltys such as a 0-1, maybe this would not be such a problem. nark? p.s. 'the lack of judgment' was on the part of the admins not Po. Title: Re: Final ruling for Ghr Finals Post by: *DAMN Mauti on April 06, 2005, 03:11:25 am @ Nark: The reason why we disregarded the issue concerning Ein and Cobra is that we have made an agreement with Ein and since CA wasn't in the finals I let it slip a bit.
Final decision will be announced in two days. We just have to vote on a few different rulings, and internal it was always clear that only Ein was responsible for this, however as clan leader you are also responsible for your clan, this may caused confusion. However this is completely offtopic. Good night, Mauti Title: Re: Final ruling for Ghr Finals Post by: [:] Narauko on April 06, 2005, 03:13:28 am they brought it up ;)
OK all good. nark? Title: Re: Final ruling for Ghr Finals Post by: theweakspot on April 06, 2005, 03:14:21 am Quote @ weakspot: well remember in the [a] vs. :cO:. example I told you that their deadline is soon over and if you want to wait or if I shall get them out. I even went into their room asking how long they app. gonna need and told you the current score and you said you can wait. @ Mauti.... I completely agree mauti. I just wonder why Po couldn't afford another clan in the community the same courtesy. That's all. Title: Re: Final ruling for Ghr Finals Post by: Croosch on April 06, 2005, 03:25:36 am Quote Eaglefox: cO complained about it after the game I wanted to make one more thing clear, we never asked an admin to make a deal of this and to re-think their decision. An admin (not myself) actually posted something about it, I was never planning on making a deal out of it. But once it was brought up in the admin section and I found that more people felt the way we did, that I would speak up. So, us complaining didn't start this whole issue, some admins felt that this was wrong and fought it in the admin section. Now, though I don't agree with how Po decided to play this out. I do ask that the admins in the future, once they make a desicion, stand by that decision and not second guess their ruling. I think what we need most from the admins is a model of authority and stability. This way, nothing like this should ever happen again. I know this is easier said than done... but I think it will help to try. And I know I have apologized to the admins numorous times before for what they did for this issue. The admins worked their asses off trying to figure out alternatives for this issue, I watched it all unfold. And after all that work, here we are back at stage one... for this I am sorry to the admins on behalf of cO. ~Krush Title: Re: Final ruling for Ghr Finals Post by: Sportsman on April 06, 2005, 04:55:30 am I doubt if I was in a competition that I feel like a true champion if I was given a head start. From what has been said about what happened, even though cO showed a lack of respect for Po’s time, Po should never have accepted 1 point advantage. This is a computer gaming league after all. It’s not sport or anything that should be as serious as this penalty is making out. Now this is over, Po can’t possibly hold their heads high. In the end what did they prove? Better team? Hard to tell, it wasn’t a fair battle. Better sportsman? No. They can’t say this when they take a 1 point advantage then rub it in. In the end Po proved they will do anything to win, especially when a point is just handed to them. That’s right Po, you accepted that point. You accepted that you can’t play fair and you accepted that your team is not good enough to beat cO from 0-0.
Title: Re: Final ruling for Ghr Finals Post by: Eaglefox23 on April 06, 2005, 05:32:54 am We have beaten cO many times before and so have they beaten us. I dont know who you are, but if you are a member of cO, you should know this, if you are not, stfu and mind your own businness. We have already discuss this enought with cO and the issue is now in the past. Now we just want to play and have fun doing so.
Title: Re: Final ruling for Ghr Finals Post by: Hunter on April 06, 2005, 05:38:12 am Po worked very hard this year to accomplish what they did,
I am very proud of the clan and everyone in it for the effort they gave Not only did we win the regular season by playing more cbs than anyone but we also beat zt and Co in finals if you want to take all our credit away because we got a 1 map lead go ahead life goes on, everyone will keep playing, and hopefully we can all have fun again but aleast have the balls to post with a name. Title: Re: Final ruling for Ghr Finals Post by: Likesportsmanihavenoname on April 06, 2005, 05:46:56 am Im confused take out the 1 game and po are still winning ???
So how u could say they didnt deserve win is beyond me. As for the cO vs [a] cb going overtime there were 10 games in that cb were there not. Are they suppose to stop the cb midway. This has no relavance to the current issue. And an 8am start? Many players had to play at much worse hours than this so its a poor excuse. As for the [?] issue as it appears this is something that ppl dont want discussed in public forum. How is it not a whole clan issue . FFS it was your clanleader who made this decision. YOUR CLANLEADER. Title: Re: Final ruling for Ghr Finals Post by: ~Po~ TiroFino on April 06, 2005, 05:57:32 am Quote And after all that work, here we are back at stage one.. We are at the end of what should have never been a contoversy. The rules are there, they were applied.... Po can be proud of their accomplishment... we won 15 out of the last 20 maps in the finals... that's domination! And we did it versus the best clan for the past 4 seasons, and another very worthy rival. To all you bitter people out there, that are only willing to minimize, whine and victimize yourselves: ::lol:: Until next season! sXc 8) Title: Re: Final ruling for Ghr Finals Post by: cO.twist on April 06, 2005, 06:04:42 am We have beaten cO many times before and so have they beaten us. Actually, no...you did not beat us 1 time this season. You did however beat us once at beginning of season 9 though. Title: Re: Final ruling for Ghr Finals Post by: ~Po~ TiroFino on April 06, 2005, 06:14:12 am Quote ctually, no...you did not beat us 1 time this season. Too bad we actually beat you when it counted ;D Title: Re: Final ruling for Ghr Finals Post by: cO.twist on April 06, 2005, 06:15:58 am Quote ctually, no...you did not beat us 1 time this season. Too bad we actually beat you when it counted ;DToo bad you can't do it without having a score advantage. you CAN NOT BEAT US at 0-0. Title: Re: Final ruling for Ghr Finals Post by: [a] kitkat on April 06, 2005, 06:19:09 am Noooooo.... My dady can kick YOUR daddy's ass.
Title: Re: Final ruling for Ghr Finals Post by: Hunter on April 06, 2005, 06:21:48 am "Too bad you can't do it without having a score advantage. you CAN NOT BEAT US at 0-0."
No, but dammit we're working on it. ty. c'mon guys are we going to start count who has put more bullets in who over the last 3 years? no. twist, smoke it! Title: Re: Final ruling for Ghr Finals Post by: cO.twist on April 06, 2005, 06:28:48 am rgr Hunt. Will an admin please lock this when he/she reads this. This issue is over with, and no longer needs to be discussed.
Title: Re: Final ruling for Ghr Finals Post by: Stan on April 06, 2005, 06:31:23 am The worst winners I've ever seen in the history of *DAMN.
Edited for flaming ---Red Tigah Please, Admins, lock this FINALLY. Title: Re: Final ruling for Ghr Finals Post by: <82ndAB>Tigah on April 06, 2005, 06:36:00 am Rgr, Sorry at work at the moment and kept meaning to come and lock this before my IT manager caught me :/. Nice to see you guys acting all mature about this NOT - locked thread.
::adminowns:: = Tigah owns Po and cO ;D |