*DAMN R6 Forum

Alright as it was already heavily discussed in the "what do you expect from season X" thread we have thought about the clan limit you can play a clan in a team ladder per season. Don't forget in the fun ladders you can play against each clan as often as you want since few seasons.

Back to the team ladders: suggestion raised from 8 over 20 to unlimited. We all want to have an active ladder, however we don't think the aim of a ladder is that you only play again your favourite clan.

As a consequence we think it would be reasonable to raise the cb limit from 6 to 8, (at max 10). This would mean that you can play your favourite clan at least every weekend per season. We think that should be enough, especially since the season is only 60 days long. Further each clan has still to play another clan after 2 done cbs in a row.

Your opinion? Is this agreeable? Will this give you the chance to play enough cbs against your favourite clans?

Bye,

Mauti

10 is by far most ideal in my opinion, the seasons are longer now 60 days rather than shorter (season 8) and so we need to be able to play more cb's.  10 meets the new 60 day season much better than 6 in my opinion.

One time every weekend is more than enough. It gets lame if you seem one clan that is in #2 just because they beat one clan and yet loose to every other.

I can see 8, it still gives you more cb's and makes you cb people, I LIKE 8

I can agree to that.

Well, not everyone cb's only on the weekends.  and we pcb'd Po last season probably 6-8 times last season...because we couldnt even cb them anymore.  but about the sheep limit, 50 is way too much...when clans fall behind after 8 cb's, theyre gonna give up the points to the clan that they want in the finals.

twist, this one is about cb # limit, not bet limit. There is nothing saying they have to be on weekends, thats just a relative stat. (P.S. last season was 6 cb limit)

im very well aware that 6 was the limit last season.  8 isnt helping all that much.  There are many times when clans want to do back to back cb's...with only 8 in a season, thats doin 25% of the cb's you can do against that clan the entire season.

twist, this about opening your pallet of clans of clans, not securing the fact you can do 16 CBs with a single clan in a single season. This is a competitive league, you will have to play against people you don't like all that much.

i agree to 8 Cb Limit ;-)

thats right, it is a competitive league.  We want to play the good clans...whats competitive about cbing noob clans?  maybe thats how mp5 does it though, i wouldnt know.

Good clans? You answered your own question in your statement, there are many good clans. I doubt you'll run out of clans in a season to CB. You now take personal shots because you can't back up your view point? That's very constructive.

no, there arent that many good clans.  and the point ive been trying to make on these forums (with the 10 sheep limit per cb..or standard 10 sheep period, and the limit on the # of cb's per clan being higher than 8 ) can be backed up with about 30 reasons why this would work better.  Let me know if you want me to write a book on here.

If you are going to try to make a point, make a compete one.

(scrolls up..) I thought you said 10 was ideal.

Well anyways 8 or 10 sounds perfect to me. Any more and it seems rediculous.

Ein

I think ti was 3 back in the day, and that seemed pretty ridiculous. ;)

The reason why i think that the 10 sheep per cb and no limit on how many cb's per clan would be 10x better...because there are some clans that enjoy cbing a lot more than others.  There are clans that we love cbing...more than 8x per season because its a good, competitive cb.  With the 10 sheep limit per cb, you dont have those stupid 50 sheep bets.  Thats pointless..yea there will be a few instances where a good clan can use it to 'lure' a noob clan in for the cb.  But for the most part, you will have clans giving out 50 points after they see they are getting owned after 8 cb's.  If you have the 10 sheep limit with no limit on how many times you can cb a clan, you eliminate any chance of a clan trying to jew the system..which is what happened last season.  Having the clan cb limit would not benefit anyone if there were a sheep limit (such as 10...ALL season).  If you have the 10 sheep limit, you can play anyone at anytime...not having to worry about how many more cb's you have the rest of the season.  My solution allows the clans that actually care about the league play whoever we want, whenever we want.
 By saying this, i don't mean that is all we would cb.  We would still cb other clans, but it is pointless to have 2 good clans online, looking for cb's, but cant cb each other (which happened numerous times last season).  I hope this is enough, although if you think about it, theres many more reasons why this would work better.  

FOR THE LAST TIME: THERE WILL BE NO 10 SHEEP LIMIT!  ::wall:: worse idea ever.

You ask me to state my point, which i did, and that's all you can say.  It isnt the worst idea ever.  The fact that you cant even consider it makes you ignorant all together.

Thanks for letting us all know.

So what is your solution. People want to be able to have the freedom to play as many games whenever they can against whoever is aviable. However at the same time they want to be competing in a fair league that rewards people for playing well, not for simply "stealing" points from weaker teams.

There Is little debate that we have to have a cap - clans can't have the option of betting all their sheep on one cb etc  as has happend in the past. Rather than having set limits though i wonder perhaps if we cannot go back to the option of using Percentages - within a guidline - ie 0-50 sheep you may bet 60% -   51-100 sheep you may bet 40%  - 101-150 you can bet 20% sheep and so on ..

Im drunk and tired and i havn't thought this through very much. but we need some more varied input to find a resolution rather than rotate around and around before collapsing into flames!

I gave many ideas BFG, read the threads more thoroughly.  10 Sheep is as good as going back to the point system.

Ein I said ten but I changed my mind to 8 after reading one of mysts post (omg mysts post changed someone! :o) Anyway I think that if by mid-season alot of clans have used up the 8 cb's maybe the limit can be changed to ten, the rules are not set in stone and can be changed or flip-flopped (I know democrats love that phrase, yes it is a joke laugh its funny) And maybe the admins will see that 8 is to much and reduce it down next season (doubtful) but 8 is good for now and by midseason if co has played mod nRg Po ? [a] BTs and others 8 times then by god it needs to be ten but Im sorry twist I dont see that happening.  I think that 8 is good, the number can always be changed later but 8 is good for now.


A little less windedly yours,
DarK.

ok ok... i know this is a novel idea and all but since the thread has been made announcing how many cb's are allowed againts one clan(8-10 max) and we have learned how many sheep is a maximum bet from the other thread (20/50/20), then why cant we all quit the bitching about it and give it a try. How do we know 8-10 cbs arent enough or that 20/50/20 is too much? We dont. Were all going off our own oppinion. So lets quit the bickering and flaming and just give it a shot. It is a step in the right direction and if we dont like how it works out for Season X, then there is always Season XI.

Quit the Bullshit
Ein

....but by all means, if you have any new ideas or problems, please post them.

It would always be nice to know where admin debates are heading so we know what currently to discuss on the issue.

Myst there isn't any debate yet. We have discussed and worked out the solution we have posted above. This is the solution we think will work best. We are waiting for the input of the community then make a final decision. The reason why it is discussed first hand in the admin section is that it is easier to stay ontopic and discuss topic after topic.

BFG was just drunken...

However back to the topic: thanks for all your input.

Bye,

Mauti

as much as we bitch and moan about the admins, let's give Mauti and big applause  ::applause:: for genuinely hearing us out and listening to the community.

That said, sometimes the simplest answer is the best.  I'm still for setting the CB limit vs. a clan at 12 (though I suppose 10 will suffice), not allowing clans to cb more than 2 times in a row on any ladder,  and still allowing clans to bet as many sheep as they wish.  Let's not make this more complicated than it is fun.

I know we all fear the 'noob' clans, but we've always sniffed them out before without too much problem.

Thank the admin team. I'm just the messenger  ;)

yes.....messenger....

On the other hand, I'd like to see a way to get all clans to cb each other... at least twice... There are clans that hardly ever cb with anyone at all, so why are they here? If you register, the most logical thing to do is to CB ! -plus it'smm FUN !

I can understand that different schedules and times between Euros, Americans, etc may make this hard... but where there is a will, there is a way !

Let's not have a dull League.. let's CB people...

So I vote to eliminate those clans that simply refuse to cb most anyone all season long!

I think the idea is in the right place, but it will never happen Tiro.  Only way that goes down is if clans need to apply and be approved in a more strict manner and a set season is put forth.  At the point you'll see many, including myself, find the exit door.  There is no sense having a league where the complications, restrcitons and rules exceed the level of fun.

I want to be able to CB because I want to and have time to, not because the league says so.

With that said, I think we are making great progress, even just with letting clans cb more often.  I think it will lead to more CBs, even if they are at small stakes.  Well, at least that's how I envision it working for my clan.

Tiro you cant just MAKE someone cb.  If they wanna be idle and not cb that is their choice, it shouldnt be bothering your clan.....

Dark = right... unfortunately so...

Well... you can make someone cb in the since that you can set up a tournament such as in Season IX and if they dont show to cb, they are disqualified... however, working on a point system , I dont think you can make someone cb.

Ein

Wow Ein, that's worse than my posts in the General Gossip!

I guess all we do now is sit and wait for the official announcements.

And my thought is.. the New Clans have a chance to CB against themselves more (Tune-up) before they face alittle more seasoned Clan. Gives them time to group together as a team, before some "Elite" Team rips them a new a-hole.

The problem is, some ...newer... clans feel this weird need to come right after top clans. Perhaps they feel a need to prove themselves, but if enough sense could be planted in their minds to sit back and learn the process with other new clans (and hopefully learn the game) then I would give you  sweater with a big "M" on it.

this isnt a noob tactics thread....but since its turned into it...make the cb limit higher so the elite clans can play each other more and the noobs play each other more

The only problem I have with any cap is if clans get into the high triple digits or even quadruple digits, 50 will seem like such a petty amount it will be hard to change the balance of power.