*DAMN R6 Forum

Hi guys and gals,

I would like to know what do you expect from season X? What did you like at season 9, what not, what new things we should add for season X? Please leave as many comments as possible and tell also your clanmates to post. Your opinion is very important for us.

Have a nice day,

Mauti

I would like to see the GhR FFA Ladder available with only 3 players.  It's sometimes very hard to find that 4th person to play....and boy do I love FFA!!![/size]

OMG GS...you don't already play enough FFA??

My thoughts include as always...looking into having a set schedule which requires all clans to play all the other clans at least once throughout the season.  Very challenging but maybe we can at least look into it.

Also...maybe some thoughts on individual stats for cb's to be posted on the BL site.  Highest # of kills...least deaths, you know, that kinda stuff.  It would mean each clan having a "statkeeper" for each cb...I plan on doing this for all of -UnKnowN.[?]'s cb's and posting them on our site just for a little fun...

Whatever, season runs really nice as it is though.

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What do I expect season X to bring us? season 9 seemed virtually flawless to me...I mean really, who doesn't like sheep ;D I honestly can't think of anything that needs to be fixed. If I can I'll be sure to edit this post.

This is an interesting idea.

Well, that's wick for ya... Always coming up with ideas, and once in a while, a useful one comes out.

Great Idea, or is it... if you think about it how much time are most of us willing to spend entering in the total amount of kills so-and-so had after every game?  Honestly that sounds like way to much work and even though it is a good idea it would include new scripts that might not be done by the end of january and too much hassle on the part of the cb poster.  Might cause speech on kdx such as, " Hey lets just lose this so the other team has to waste their time posting all my kills."  Just kidding we all know no one would do that but it is quite silly to spend I0 minutes trying to post kills.  One last point against this is the fact that ss must be taken and no one is perfect as we all know.  What happens if the clan gets mad at the other clan and "forgets" to post the kills?  Just my veiws though.

Good point. Unless there was some sort of automated system that made it easy to point them, it just seems like it would increase the possibility for problems, and flames on the forums.

yes, Dark has some valid points. This being a hassle during cbs would be my main reason against it. Other than that I'de be willing to take as much time as needed to post the stats of a cb.

When I played PC RS you just kept track of your own kills and then the winning clan was responsible for putting in all the kills for their teams. They would submit it then the losing clan would put in theirs and confirm the match but if they had a problem they would send a complaint to an admin. So the winning clan does their ind. stats and the losing team does theirs and its on a submission system so no admins are needed.

The minor problem: people could create a clan and just submit wins to their real clan and confirm it with their fake one.

Just a suggestion, mb you already have something like this in place... I mean I haven't played since Season 3.

And I played PC GhR where each team was responsible for taking screeshots of the aftermath screesn and the winning team would ad up all kills for all players and post them. Does not take 10 minutes Dark, trust me...it takes 2(as long as one member tells you the kills while you post them).

I think clans have already tried that around here and have been caught pretty quickly.  That's the good thing about DAMN, it's so small that most of us know each other so well that "imposters" are weeded out when they come around...

I think the stats thing could really work though.  It wouldn't be THAT much work...just takes a designated "statkeeper" for each cb.  One guy from each clan to take SS's.

Kills would be a category, and probably the most interesting one, but there could easily be others that we could keep track of:

1.  Individual Kill Totals:  Equal to Points Per Game in the NBA
2.  Individual Death Totals:  Equal to Field Goal Percentage (or something like that)
3.  Maps Played Totals:  I'd love to see in number format which maps are played and how much...
4.  Nade Totals and Percetage:  List of best naders.....and likewise a list of best "shooters"

...Add yours.

ghr doesnt specify who got naded and who got shot, but what about the clans who would rather not have all the other clans know the maps they pick and enjoy playing?  That is part of some clan strategies.  I dont think that the map should be listed, although it would probly be fine to try the kill total at least.  I think that the problem would be people forgetting, and something this minor shouldnt count for "warning points" if a clan forgot to take a ss of one game.  There are just so many factors, then there is the scripting of this, maybe season XI not season X.

But if your trying to keep track of how many kills each player had, etc... isnt that pretty much the same thing you do durring a FFA(track the amount of kills for each player). And how do we do that you ask? Well, isnt it required anyways that both clans take screen shots at the end of each round(reasoning behind it to prevent clans from cheating). Now on those screen shots, it lists how many kills each player has. Also, if they had nade kills, it's gonna show that.
Now as for actually entering all that info... dont we have to do that all anyways for the FFA ladder(this player came in first, this player second, etc.). So my question, why do poeple complain about what they already are doing... just for another ladder?

Just some thoughts
Ein

You are absolutely correct Ein.  The only problem I see with it is that it was so much of a hassle to do in the FFA ladders that only a few people would host games, because only those few wanted to mess with posting everything (me and you being two of those people).  So not that it wouldn't be easy to do, I think it's just a bigger hassle than most people want to mess with (doesn't bother me personally, I like all that tedious shit).  And that was just putting who landed in what place....not listing every individual kill.[/size]

but Ein in the FFA ladder you didnt have to post the exact amount of kills did you? You just had to note 1st 2nd 3rd and 4th place,  I may be wrong.

Two points:

1.  Keeping track of how many kills each member of each clan has for cb's would be really, really easy.

I'm sure that every clan can find one guy who wouldn't mind taking SS's each time and then reviewing when the cb is over.

I think this would really help our league in many ways by helping with the all-star game, helping clans learn who they need to key on and be more aware of for practices, etc...you know stuff like that. 

I'm just a stat junkie with everything from sports, to populations/demographics, etc....I find stats almost as interesting as playing the game itself.


2.  As far as clans not wanting others to know what maps they like....tough.

We already know many clans record all replays and then practice off them to watch other clan tactics.  They aren't supposed to but people do it anyway.  This is not even close to that when the issue of "observing" comes up.

I equate it more to scouts on a football team going to watch other teams play their games before they come to you on the schedule. 

What this idea is all about is an attempt to make cb's more "public" and not simply just a Clan A vs Clan B 5-3-1 result on a BL table.  Just bringing more detail that would make the community more interested in the competition going on around them.  Shoutcasting could benefit greatly from this by knowing more detail about the match they were describing...similar to a broadcaster at a sporting event.

Sounds mighty interesting and personally im thinking along the same lines as Wickedson (and i love stats  ;D )

All you had to do was say who was frst, second, third, etc., true... b ut how much harder would it be to say who placed what and then in a box next to their name type in how many kills each player had. Not that much work. Perhaps GhostSniper is right and it is only him and I who wouldnt mind hosting but I would like to think that players dont mind the added responsibility of posting to have the opportunity to play in a good and active League.

Oh, and BTW: I am a stat junkie also. Would love to know this stuff. Prove how much better than the rest of my clan I am. hehe. j/k

One thing I would like to see is the amount of times you can play one clan in a cb increased....

I believe that you may only cb a team 6 times, and no more than 2 times in a row, but why can't we battle a team as many as ten times or perhaps limiting the amount of sheep you can win from a clan....

I just know that most of my team is on during a certain part of the day when only certain other clans are on and we'd like to be able to cb as much as possible.

weak the reason one clan can only battle another clan 6 times (which for last season I think was upped from 4) is that when one clan is playing a completely noob clan, if they can play them 10 times, thats a heck of alot more sheep that they can gain from playing a clan who they know they can beat.  This is just stopped the better clans from ganging up on the little clans, also it is good to play other clans, if you play one clan six times you need to start playing other clans as well.

theoretically you could win up to 100 sheep from any clan.  I see where the CB limit was more valuable in seasons past, but now with the sheep I really dont think it matters.  Heck, we saw last season a few CBs that were for 100 sheep.

Would it be a good idea for you to be able to CB a clan as many times as you possible and the oly limit being that you cant win more than 100 sheep from one clan....

... the way i see it, it would allow nRg to battle, say, MoD as many times as possible.  Last season we always had some good games but after 6 CBs we had to stop, even though maybe 30 sheep had changed hands.

I just hate being limited to the amount of CBs I can play.  Especially against the teams that are fun to battle.

well, you're supposed to cb against as many clans as possible, though, and not only vs the clans you think it´s fun to play against. that's one of the purposes of the cb limit.

Weak, season 9 RvS ladder:

z][t battled iP 6 times (or close to it) and thus put them very high on the ladder despite the low profile wins.

where in the rules does it say im supposed to battle as many clans as possible?  And I really like battling against a few clans... well, actually, there is only one clan I DON'T enjoy cb'ing.

Whatever.

And is it really important to play against as many CLANS as possible, or to play as many CBs as possible.

I mean, before you could beef up your stats by pounding on a clan over and over.... but, now many clans won't battle you for more than 3 or 5 sheep.... and very rarely will they do it 6 times...

again, why is there a limit?  Is it really to play as many clans as possible.  well, if some refuse to CB or are never on at times that we are, is that really helping?

What does the rest of the community think?

Consider the fact the non limit rule could cut clans out of the season if others can get by never having to change who they CB.

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good point, myst.  But lets say *nRg battled MoD 20 times this season.  It would have to be competive or else why would we battle 20 times.

let's say we battled each time for 10 sheep, and lets say we spilt the 20 games... that would still 'force' us to play other clans because we'd still be at 100 sheep (assuming we ONLY played MoD like you said might be the case if the clan limit was waived)

And the plus side, we played 20 competitive and fun CBs without sheep changing hands.  Of course, I might be seeing it wrong.

Why not make it so that you can battle any clan any amount of times.  The only limit being that you can't win more that 'X' amount of sheep from them.

     I understand where your coming from weak and I personally agree. The limit now is 6 cbs per clan. So theoretically, you could battle a noob clan and take 80 sheep. They win back 60 somehow or another and you battle them again and take 40. Already with just 2 cbs vs a noob clan, you can pass 100 sheep and even more if this noob clan, by some twist of fate, won a bunch of sheep, perhaps from another noob clan.       
    Originally(I thought) the limit on cb's was made to stop clans from taking advantage of noob clans to get more points based on our old point system. If this is the reason, then wouldnt it be more fair to limit the amount of sheep one clan could gain from another... perhaps to only 100.
     Maybe Im wrong... I dont know... but it seems so right.

Ein

...seems logical to me, Ein.  that's why i bring it up.  let's see if we can bring about some change.

I agree with you Weak.. but you really think they would really vote for it? It's a shame we don't have too much say in this League.

Yes, we remember the problem of some clan betting all their sheep for nothing because they lost their motivation this problem will be addressed and some solutions will be presented soon, where you can post your ideas about and also add your own if you come up with something better.

Bye,

Mauti
ps.: Macüber that's not true, or why do you think I start all these threads? (rhetorical quaestion)

thanks for checking in Mauti but you didn't address the original thought I had.  My point is that placing a limit on CBs is no longer beneficial or an effective control measure with the new sheep system.  So, why no remove it?

Doing so would creat the possibility for more CBs.  Currently, we don't always CB some clans even if its only for 1 or 2 sheep, because we know that each time we do so it will take away an oppurtunity to play for larger stakes when the situation arises.

Taking away this limit that has really no effect anymore would see many more clans battle eachother, even if it is for smaller stakes.

Increased CBing, even for small stakes, would pour some more fun and action into our league.  Don't you agree?

Weakspot I think you are wrong there, because the new sheep bet limit for a certain time period(amount of cbs) will only be effective if the current rule stays, that you can only cb a clan twice in a row and then have to play another clan(s). We may can look to increase the overall limit again, but the 2times in a row rule will stay for security reasons.

Bye,

Mauti

I really dont understand what you are saying, sorry, mauti.  Are you saying that the admins may consider increasing the times you may cb another clan?

I have no problem with the '2 CBs in a row' rule that is in place, I'm certain why you bring that up.

Just to restate: I think that allowing clans to cb, say up to 20 times, will increase CBs becuase it will allow clans to play matches for 1 or 2 sheep, without worrying about future possible CBs dwindling.  Personally, this idea sounds appealing to me, becaiuse it will increase activity.

Of course im thinking of this on the positive side, and not a paranoid 'who is going to cheat the system' sort of way.

Whats rhetorical mean? (sarcastic response)
Ein

rhetorical in case of a rhetorical question:

rhetorical (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetorical_question) ;)

ok... now the actual ppost...

    I think that the 2 cb rule should stay in place, as well but I have come to another conclusion about the limits of total cb's against one clan.  
    Personally, after thinking about it a bit, I have come to the conclusion that there should deffinately be a limit on cb's against one clan but not such a low limit of 6 per clan. I see a benefit to the limit. It encourages clans to risk a bit more sheep with the few cbs they have against a clan because they want to gain as much sheep as possible from those cb's. Also, last season(though my current clan was less active), we only started to run into the problem of maxing out our cb's with clans near the end of the sheep season(marked by the crash). The season would have had a few more weeks before finals so we would have been running into some problems finding cbs with eligable clans soon.
    If the limit were perhaps increased to 10 per clan, that should accomidate most clans in making more eligable cb's available. This number is still low enough however, that clans will want to make their cb's against the other clans count for a bit more by offering more sheep.

Just a thought,
Ein


afterthought: thanks Civic
 

rgr that Ein.

I guess I was just thinking about increasing the amount of cbs, and not necessarily the amount of sheep that are wagered.

So is there a general suggestion here that you would like to be able to cb other clans more often - yet have lower betting to counteract the "50 sheep clan wipe out" problems that we saw before? - for instance being able to play another clan six or eight times - but be more limited in the number of sheep that can be bet each game? - in effect increasing the number of games and decreasing the significance of each game?

Actually, the Damn Admins are closely following this thread to develop ideas from the community.

Lets hope so...because Weak brought up a valid point. Euro clans are on during the early mornings where across the pond we're on later (Evenings). If the rule were to allow more than 6, but less sheep, issue would be resolved.

My only intent here, BFG, is to try and increase the amount of CBs my clan will battle in.  Being a member of nRg I'm looking at things the way that would most help our clan.

Being able to only cb a clan 6 times seems, hurtful, because it kept us from battling it out with another clan simply for fun and not always for uber-stakes.  If we could battle up to 20 times, it would make it possible to still have a few cbs for 10, 15 or 20 sheep, while leaving us open to lots of quick and fun 1 or 3 or 5 sheep battles.

I simply mentioned limiting how much sheep you could win from a clan to 100, just for the sake of having a countermeasure.

Ugh.... I don't think I'm making much sense anymore......  I hope you see what my goal is with trying to be able to CB clans more than 6 times.

I know MoD happens to be a clan that we CB frequently, and I thought it would be fun and more inviting to be able to cb them 3 or 4 times for 1, 3, or 5 sheep, and not feel like the next 3 have to be for larger stakes, just because we only have 3 times left.

Considering that nRg and MoD members tend to be on at the same time most nights, it would be great to be able to cb each night (or something like that) and not have your CBs run out in a week.

Hell, maybe I'm the idiot for thinking of 'fun'.... as Civic points out, I'm not supposed to CB clans I think are fun.  ;)

please don't twist my words, weakspot. what i said is:


 ::)

civic, notice the good nature and  ;) in my post.  I thought you might catch on to the light humour in it.  I know you're German, but did I have to spell it out?

Not everything is an attempt to take a crack at you..... relax, have a heineken or something.  at ease soldier.

I sort of agree with weak, I think that if we were able to play a clan 20 times would be too much (that may have been an exageration) but 10 or even 8 would be a much better limit, because simply sometimes its very hard for US clans to play Euro clans.  There is a 5-8 hour time diffference between Most of Europe and North America,  Thus when people get home from work or school 3 or 5 (in the Americas) it would be anywhere between 8 and 1 Euro or 10 and 3 euro times, which leaves for hard to schedule cb's.  I think that if the limit was increased it would not make the number oif Euro - Americas cb's dwindle, but allow for the Euro clans to battle the Euro Clans more often and the Americas clans to battle more often.  8 times seems like a better number than 6 to me and you wouldnt even have to put a limit on sheepling bets. 

guys is it really complicate??? I start to be super confused with all this hard rules?? why does it have to be so complicate? Is there anyone with a Easy idea?? some thing that we dont have to think so much and just have fun Cbing who we like to cb with and avoid who we dont like!!! I'm realy not ashame to say that some clans do  not interest me to cb with some i dont care some i love it (mods or zts ;-))) ) and i think its my main right to choose who i will cb or not and hate to fill forst to cb a clan i dont want or player i dont want to be involved with!!!

if my freedom of CBs (lol) is still a right then its cool + if i dont need to found my old texasinstrument back from school drawer (18 years ago) then its cool too!!!

simple things are always nicer and more elegent!!

have fun
ghost

Heres an idea  just to mull over. Lets think of splitting the clans into maybe 2-4 Conferences. Place clans into their prosective time-zones. Let the clans battle within their conference's Sheep limits.
If Clans find other clans out of their confernece let them battle within Outer Sheep Limit.
This could possibly take away stress finding CB's and opening a better Finals. Again..this is only an idea to be thought about.

I don't think we have enough clans per conference. It sounds like a good idea in theory, but I think it would just be too complicated.

ok guys cmon... 20 cb's? Thats a bit high... When it was thought of to raise the limit I was all for it but not as many as 20 cb's or every cb will only be 3-5 sheep bets. Set the limit low enough still to encourage wagering a bit. (looking up at my post before)10 sounds good.

Ein

20 was used as an exaggeration, merely for effect.  10 might be nice.

I was hoping you were exagerating, but still 10? that seems like an aweful many.  If you can even cb a clan 10 times in a season I would be surprised.  I think 8 would be a better number, dont need bite off more than we can chew but I dont know maybe you have a good argument for 10 sheep.

yeah... 10=good round number. 8=only 2 more cb's than allowed now.(seems pointless)

this posts writer=Ein

6 was only 2 steps up from four which was a good change, I am worried about clans that only play one other clans, and if they can do it 10 times and win all ten times, there is no competitioin, the 8 would keep more competition and make clans play a variety of other clans not just one or two clans.

i think 10 would be the least amount it should be...yea there might be a few gay clans that would abuse it to an extent...but most of the clans don't...the season is quite a long time, so if the cb's were for like 3-5 sheep everytime, that would be cool.

 why not set a limit on how many sheep each clan can bet on each cb.  that would solve everything.  1-10 sheep would be nice.
this would benefit everyone because you wouldnt have clans abusing it by betting 50+ sheep.  plus, the good clans can cb each other as much as we want.  It makes the league a lot more fun when we arent forced to cb noob clans after 1/2 the season is over.

I agree wholeheartedly, but I do believe the admins and other members opposed this idea last season.


BTW, mac, if we had enough active clans, i would love your idea.

last season was the first season for us to have sheep.  this was suggested and turned down?  one question...why?

Another point i'd like to add, if there were the 10 sheep limit to a cb, then the clans wouldnt have to be to serious about every single cb during the season.  some of the players on clans that dont normally get to play that much in cb's would be able to play more.  i really don't see a negative point about this idea.  i'd make the season so much better, and fun to play..you think ppl would bitch and moan about every little glitch they think they see during the season? i doubt it..

Yes maybe if we get rid of the cb limit (edited by dark) and have a max sheep bid (15 sounds nice, ooh what about a minimum of neg 5, just kidding)  Then we could have cb's worth one sheep, so that it still counted and wouldnt be dubbed a PCB (practice cb) so that the win would mean something for the nonexperienced clanner.  A max bid sounds much better than a max cb limit to me.

I changed some things from my original post after a convo with others and deciding that no cb limit or either more than 10 would benefit if we had a sheep bid. 

Mauti I know I would like to know the reason from you that there is a cb limit per clan v clan (say mod v nrg)

I support raising the limit on cb's to 10-15.  No more, no less.

15 would be enough cb's in a season per clan, but limiting the # of sheep to 10 or 15 per cb would be ideal.

i agree with the fact that the amount of sheep. but limiting the amount of cbs allowed is just stupid. whats to stop a noob clan from just waiting till the end when the good clans cant cb anymore, also this is a game, the object of a game is to have fun competing against one another, restricting the amount of cbs u can play a season goes against the main reason to play a video game.

hooks

I would like to see a sheep bet limit, but not a cb clan limit.

I am aware that some clans might abuse this by pullin iP type shit, but those should be handled accordingly, not limiting the entire community.

boy, looks like i started a revolution!   ::applause::

If you limit the amount of sheeps that can be bet, 20 is the ideal. At least then we can have some high stake games for the heavy gamblers out there. As for the limit of CB's against one single clan, it was put in effect to make sure that you play more than one clan. Sure, I agree that it can be raised, but I also agree that you can't play the same more than 2 times in a row. This to make sure that you play more than 1 clan. So limit the bets to 20, raise the limit of cb's vs one clan to 10, and keep the not more than 2 in a row rule. Does that sound good to people?

DarK, what do you mean us U.S clans???

i dunno, 20 sounds too high...a gay clan could give all the points away in 5 quick cb's...i still say limit it to 10 sheep per cb, and dont limit the # of cb's per clan ...people arent going to cb just one clan...thats not the point of this.   the point is to let us have the freedom to cb whoever we want...whenever we want.

Possible solutions for both requests will be posted later today, where you have time to reply, suggest changes etc.

Have a nice day,

Mauti

i dissagree that it would be ideal. One of the reasons the sheep style was put into effect was to give good clans who are not as active a shot to get into the finals. If you limit clan battles to  only 10 sheep that kinda screws up chances of clans who might only cb 10-15 times in a season. If you are going to limit the amount of sheep, I think you should set the number a bit higher... perhaps 25-30.

Besides, it always feels better to win 30 sheep in a cb than just 15.
Ein

Ein I didnt know you ever had that feeling  :-X jk buddy,  Brutha Im pretty sure I said Americas clans but If I didnt that is what I means.  25-30 = way to many 15 is ideal in my opinion with a 10 cb limit per clan, that makes you play other clans and gives you a good range of sheep bets

No, sorry Dark, I read wrong. On the US clans...guess I need new glasses.

If you arent an active clan, you dont deserve to be in the finals.  The teams that play more during the season, and actually WORK for it need to be in the finals.  Screw the 30 sheep bets, its retarded.