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Why not for successful ladders e.g. Ghr team. Have one Ladder which would be the 1st Div. and have a 2nd Div. for all the new comers. This way there would be a penalty for coming last, u drop down into the 2nd Div.

Say 12 clans in 1st Div.

*all clans under 12th moved to 2nd Div.

16+ clans in 2nd Div.

If introduced it could put a lot more competitive in cbing. And noob clans wouldn't get as ripped off as they do, but have an eviroment in which they can compete, it would also weed out the clans that don't last long.

just a thought.

i like that idea.

cool narkauko !

I like that idea a lot

Indeed this idea has some potential but it wouldn't be two ladders, just one that is split in 2, right?

It sounds good as text, and the idea is lovely. But how would it work? I might sound like a broken LP record  ;D but I don't think our gaming community is big enough to support two separate ladders. And I know I would hate it if there was only a 2nd division clan online, and we couldn't cb them becouse they are on a different ladder.

Just a thought.

you could say top 8 clans is in in 1st division - and can only cb the top 8 clans , then all others ( depends on how many clans there are ) will be on 2nd Division.

then the top 3-4 clans from 2nd Division goes up to 1st division


and from 2nd Division - top 3-4 clans goes to 1st division.

(example) - that would be cool...

It?s a great idea, I really like the thought of having a second divison for newcomers to grow in before facing the badasses with no lifes, who played GhR for 2 years.

But as Joka puts it...this is a small community, and it?s hard enough to get a cb as it is, so it might be a bad idea after all.

what if some more experienced guys decide to build a new clan... with good players...? they'd have to play in the 2nd division first and be bored that complete season, eh? ;)

Actually, yeah, I think they should have to. Clans that are banned should also have to. Just because you are a good player and have a great rep, you shouldnt be get treated any better than the rest.

Uhmm you can get bored from playing other cb's too  ;)

I like the idea, but who's gonna tell who can be in 1st and who can't... And will the 1st division have a setup roster where they have to play against certain clans in a certain amount of time... mb we can just do it like the champions league (for all the euros who know it). Groups of 5-6 clans that play against eachother lets say 4 times, best 2 of each group go to the next round.
A time limit to subscribe your clan, the top 4 clans of last season will be split up into 4 (or more - depends on the amount of clans) seperate groups and with lottery the rest of the group will be picked.

Just an idea...

yeah!!! that's an good idea too ! ..

i love the idea, but it would create even less teams to cb.

I vote NO on this idea!

gg

.... Ah geeze nobody ever listens to me :( I suggested this as an alternative structure about two damn seasons ago - built on the system of the English Football league... guess i might as well go back to (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/sleeping.gif)

... ps. nice idea Narauko. There are problems though with it as have been mentioned - probably the most inportant is it in effect lowers the activity of the ladder as there are less clans to choose between to play (its hard enough as it is!)

Let noobs play in the regular ladder and have a side ladder that's for only noobs.

Um was that supposed to make sense?!

lol, maybe he meant to let clans choose what league they want to play in? for example, a new clan with very unexperienced players could sign up for the less good ladder to get some practice etc... and the good ones for the good ladder for competition. :)

Keep normal ladder
Add ladder for only noobs
Ladder for only noobs is optional BUT only allows noobs
Normal ladder allows everyone
Phi phae pho phum

then we'd have even less clans on the normal ladder...

:D , just imagined Real Madrid sending out troops of diplomats to get a match

lol

Yeah unfortunatly it would be a different matter if we had say 20 or 30 really active clans... but when were struggling to get even 10 good and active clans its another matter i think

yw, or the right ammount when i think about it. lets say every clan plays each clan once and all matches happen defined at weekends, then the season is as long as it is now with about ten weekends. finals are already set on a defined date in this season, from this perspective... .  

would even add alot of interesting stuff since you know your enemie on the next weekend and around ten cbs should be sufficient to determine finals- and relegation-participants.

an option could be to play two matches per week (every clan twice). all this system surely wouldnt work for the bf ladder and its not intended for these ladders, but rvs could earn alot from it. last but not least all the unfairness-threads that come again and again would have an end.

True, although we get back to the problem that the community plays and wants to play different ammonts - some guys play several games a week, others one maybe every couple of weeks... And of course pre set times lead to the Time differences problem

Do you know why we struggle to get 10 clans which are good and active? It is what I call "KF syndrome." The good clans have gobbled up the good players, leaving no one to train and give a competitive chance to the newer/weaker players. If our league bothers you, and you are a good player, start your own clan.

Here is another angle. Consider this all-star game. If your clan has to stop and think about "which two" you will send, your clan has an unfair amount of depth on the cb chart. If every clan had two and no more really excellent (activity and skill) players, the ladder would be both more even and more active.

This concludes Ara's controversial idea of the day. Tune in next time. ;)

in reply to bfg's post:

sure but, is this really a problem?
different time zones: not a problem for the super finals already. to finalize this thought, a checkbox at each of the clan-pages could identify at which times (e.g. us/euro/asia) the clans are able to play (or: usually play) and by this the system can even set all the cbs for the season then with proposed time to play.

the thread is about two divisions. clans that can't or don't want to play a cb every weekend will be happy about the second division, where they can play when and what they want, like it is with the system now, to determine which clan plays the relegation for/with the/a first division(er).