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.iP. exceeded the limit of 3.0 warning points. As a consequence .iP. is immediatly suspended from all ladders for the rest of the season.

Here is a summary of all rule violations:


All cbs .iP. did are still valid. So nobody gets there sheep back. You lost them in fair cbs.
.iP. was suspended due the exceeding of our warning points limit, and not because they cheated or played unfair! Further all non confirmed cbs against .iP. needs to be confirmed due the fact that you lost them fair.

Last but not least .iP. wasn't banned for having big sheep bets against -ViP-, such cbs are allowed by rules, as long as they were really played, what we assume. Even if -ViP- played unnecessary risky, it was legal.

My final note: .iP. you showed that you can play a lot of cbs and be successful, that a clan can have fun playing some games, but unfortunaly you weren't able to learn from your faults concerning the *DBL rules. You broke them way too often, and some of them more than once. However if there are so many rule violations we have to react and suspend .iP. from the *DBL season IX.

In the name of the *DBL staff,

*DAMN Mauti

I thought the admins confirmed Uber being allowed to play until it was sorted out. I'm not saying he was just bringing it up incase you didn't know that.

If you read through the Ubertako thread(here (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/index.php?board=3;action=display;threadid=7183)), it is clear that BFG, in the name of the *DBL admins, never said he can play, only that we are sorting this out.

But you are right that we set him back on the list later, but that doesn't change the fact that they cbed twice(on 2 different days) before they asked us to help. You can find an explanation of our decision in the Ubertako thread.

Bye,

*DAMN Mauti

haha, can the players in IP be recruited by other clans?

doesnt matter anyways, the time has passed to recruit new players for this season.

I'm just wondering why this thread was left open to debate, seems that things could get kinda ugly...

I think it'll be a huge disapointment to many clans since .iP. was the most active clan on *DBL, we were fighting every clans for getting on that top and if anyone deserves it .iP. does.

since .iP. though uber could play ( SINCE THE *DAMN BL did put him back on *Ladder EVEN knowing HE COULDN'T PLAY (CIVIC) WITHOUT Saying he could play )

that was what we get the most warning points from , thats quite lame.

i hope all of u get a good season , this sucks it has to be this way  we were trying to have fun , but theres always something, like a little thing has to go wrong.


Thx for ur time *DAMN admins anyway.

btw : why are we removed i thouhg we would appear on ladders?

could you plz do that so we got some memories?

:/

what bs

nj mauti (Y) vnj

Jeez,

This is really disappointing. Since I am totally unaware of the events in question, I cant say who was at fault but its a real shame for the guys like myself, who just want to have fun killing each other! Ahh well, let the freelance killing commence! Grrrrr.

I don't know about this, seems kinda lame.

....probably because you don't know much about it like u said mysterio. but on the basic level Its quite simply thougand applies to everyone and all clans - certian actions on the BL recieve warning points - for instance illigally playing with newly registered clan members etc. If you break the rules to many times your WP add up... to many WP = a ban.

Allow me to rephrase. Seems sort of fishy. Let's us go talk soon BFG.

Also, submitting a fake cb was one of the more disturbing things we've ever seen a clan do as well.  But like BFG said, quite simply it was this and more that added up to enough warning points is all.  these are simple rules all clans are aware of and should abide by to keep things fair.

King

well I dont have anythin to say except its fair enough, and wrong doings must be dealt with........

I thank u all for making me win my bet and make 10 euros

thx IPs

Hi All - Omg, please stop thinking it's my fault .iP. got banned ffs, this wasn't my fault - that we got banned ! come on, why do u all think it's me ?

-stop inulting when u dont got any reason to insult me ! please.



.iP. Stripes.

Blagh!!!

I got so many excuses and reasons 2 unban us!

But,,, seems DBL doesnt want kids and/or active clans in their league!

GJ admins!=)  (nothing personal)

Greetz tako!

This SUCKS. Big time. Yeah, iP can't prove they played that cb but WTF 1,5 warning points? I say biased admins want him banned. I hear Tiro Fino CHEATED and got a 1 week ban (although rules state punishment will be much more severe, no?). Seems you guys want to ban Stripes for what his clan did. Ban Slayer for his crappy clan leadership (since he is the one RESPONSIBLE) and perhaps ban uber too, but let stripes and the other ip guys play.

Suspend Slayer and Ubertako and let iP play.

For fuck sakes, how many times have stripes been kicked out of the finals by ADMINS now? Let the boy prove his fucking worth already!

Do you believe Acri that falsely posting a cb that has never happend is not a serious offence?
Are you suggesting that we apply the *BL rules where and when it suits us?
The clan has been suspended as stated in *BL rules... nothing about banning stripes.

Tako, the BL dose not want kids who look to abuse and cheat the system, the BL looks to provide a fair and enjoyable playing field for all clans - of course having to suspend a clan is not either good for the comunity or the *BL but it has happend because of repeated breaches of the Rules that other clans abide by without question or complaint. It is not fair on them - hence why we have *BL Rules.

I don't know where the inpression that it is stripes fault the clan got banned for has come from but it is unfounded - there has been more than one incident which has resulted in breaches of BL rules and has resulted in WP being awarded. . Slayer is leader of the clan and is ultermatly responsible for his clan and the clan members action.

Hey BFG what about Tiro Fino, maybe he is a "BIG BOY" but he can break the rules? iP did the same broke some rules, but we get suspended for whole season? - something is not fair here.

I don't believe the cb was falsely posted. I don't care what the admins think about that. I don't think it's falsely posted. And even if it was posted falsy I don't think it's enough for 1,5 warning points. Seeing how reluctant you were to believe them, it couldn't have made much harm. I woulda told em to replay the cb.

And yes, I am suggesting that you apply the *BL rules where and when it suits you.

I am also accusing you (admins) of paining this season. The clan iP has a lot of members and they play a lot of cbs. A pretty fair percentage of cbs are with iP and a lot of COMMUNITY MEMBERS will not be able to finish this season because of Slayer and Ubertako. We call it collective punishment in sweden and in sweden it is forbidden by law. As a swede, I take great offence to see these guys suspended. A lot of them haven't hurt a fly and have worked their asses of to get into the finals. Ban the CLAN off from one ladder, perhaps and/or suspend Slayer and tako. Lately I've been playing lot's of raven shield (6 cbs with ip... last three were goddamn good ones at that) and tako has nothing to do with the RvS team and as far I know, slayer isn't involved too much there either. Why ban the poor rvs guys? Not like the rvs ladder has tons going on, is it?

And mind you admins, even Mauti is accusing stripes. You ADMINS are feeding the flames against stripes. Way to strengthen the league and making it a better place to be. Sounds like the *DBL admin staff moved their headquarters to Salem. This is a witch hunt. I feel that you admins are biased and prejudiced and at times it sickens me AND BEFORE I get a lot of private messages about admins always favouring zt and admins coming to me saying civic did this and that etc etc... If civic has anything to do with this, he sucks donkeyballs too.

Stripes has played this game for a long time and I've seen him "reach" the finals a few times but he has never been allowed to play. Let the poor kid get a chance of actually winning the season. he has spent so much time on all those cbs and he gets banned because of the crappy leadership. Just great.

Cheating is not allowed, which is why it is called cheating. Cheating won't be tolerated,  any use of hacks, long distance view cheats, night vision cheats,... will end in a perma  ban from the *DAMN Battle League and all parts of the *DAMN R6 website for at least  1 year. Further we will forward your IP address and GameRanger account number to  the GameRanger Multiplayer Service. Glitching is also a form of cheating.


Also, I heard even cheating in public rooms would result in this?

As I have stated before, I dont know the nitty-gritty of what went on so I honestly cannot say whether I think the ban is fair or unfair. However there is a perception that certain people seem to have it in for Stripes. Maybe this is self inflicted on Stripes part, maybe it isnt, I dont know. But either way its doesn't look good. There is no grace in gloating over a Clan's demise (Im referring to a minority, not all) so maybe if we cut out the laughing over a 10 Euro bet for example, and User Profile quotes including "no-iP" etc we can remove this perception once and for all, whether it is justified or not. Im 38 and I say, let kids be kids, but you cant have a go at them if your attitude isn't much better.

Amen, doc

i wouldn't complain if .iP. got a chance on the ladder again, i don't see why WE HAD 2 get suspended, i know PERSONALLY some who hates us - i wont mention names they already know it, and just because they are admins they use their power to ban us, thats  lame.

thats why we need No Clan Admins, that would be a great idea.

anyway think about it, maybe we should let public people vote and see how they look on the case.

awww look now, we are on 1st place on all GhR Ladders and we can't even get to play :-)

GS u moron, stop thinking ur an admin-

u take this as one big joke - u think u always have right, what about you try to READ the warning points and see who's fault it is.

this has nothing to do with me i've done nothing else then playing.

sweden is among the top countries where people are happy to live:

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article579769.ece

GS, will you please back to GG, I will gladly do some government bashing with ya there. But, THIS has nothing to do with socialism, has nothing to do with Sweden and it has nothing to do with stripes this time. The guy has bad rep because he made some errors in the past, and so all asume its him. iP are banned from the rest of the season..end of story.

Although it may seem unbelievable to some, we admins worked through these problems objectively.  This was not an easy decision, we reviewed post after post after post, PM interviews and chats, matchlists and all Gameranger activity to finally come to this conclusion.  We hesitated having to do this, this was not fun for anyone of us and we hope we never have to do it again.  But it came down to this because of multiple infractions of the rules.  Everyone else is aware of these rules and every other clan besides iP seems to be doing a good job of adhering to them and playing fairly, end of story.  

King

You bring me something that the UNITED NATIONS SAYS???  Are you INSANE?  The UN ranks right up there with Nazi Germany and Vichy France as one of the most corrupt organizations in WORLD HISTORY.

GhostSniper and others:  Discuss this in the GG please. This is not relevant to the matter in hand and has no relevance to the BL

hum i wouldnt go down that road:

Enron......Global Crossing.....Worldcom.......

Cheney.......Halliburton......Iraq.....

Afghanistan.......pipeline.....

ring a bell ?

Yes thankyou bobby, i sit here for the fun of it posting messages i want you to totally ignore.  Next person to post of topic here gets a warning.
Discuss it in the GG

How about a view from a person who was directly involved in this situation instead of 3rd party perspective (me obviously)? Stripes lied about the cb, that's been proven and now he's being punished for it, Clan Leaders ARE responsible for their clanmate's actions. I think the 1.5 WP is completely fair. Stop trying to get it repealed, they will just come back and be back at the same childish games again.

Stripes, nobody is after you . . . if another clan violates the rules and makes it to 3 warning points. They will be banned, you make it sound as if you deserve a "second chance" this season . . . rules were violated and the *DAMN admins followed through with the ban. I don't understand why you argure about it.

It is not the second chance I question, it is the WP themselves. No admin that wasn't out to get them would give warning points for the accidental deletion of a clan member who has participated in multiple seasons. Then they jump on the next thing and hand out a 1.5 warning point attack which seems to be unjust. I would like to see the evidence about why and I mean the uncensored evidence. Move the untouched/uncensored threads to this public forum so we can see how fair and just and serious you people are.

Until I see those I won't stop questioning this issue. The newsletter mauti said he plans to release sounds like he will tell us what he wants us to hear. Show us the whole truth and nothing but it. Redeem yourselves to the general public.

What makes you think you are so right? You weren't even there, idiot. Just stfu'ing is the best thing to do right now. The cb was NOT played, it's done, over. Bam batta boom.

It's easier to deny a CB than prove it's existence. See previous post.

ok.. the thing about the uber off the roster thing... we had diff memeber of the iP clan tell us diff things when we firts asked about it.. WE had one saying he did it by accident, then 2 others saying uber did it on purpose fucking around with his clan members. Plus we also had an admin who whitnessed uber saying he was leaving the clan (joking ot not) and then uber was not on the roster. Now uber was readded to the roster (by slayer signing onto ubers account)and uber then fall back into the 7 day waiting time.

Now you guy know me.. you guys know im a striaght up guy... I tell it how it happends.. this is why it was ruled the way it was. I have nothing against stripes.. and he will even tell you I have tried to help him out when ever he has a technical prob that he needs help with. But rules are rules.

This is a abuse of the rule because we all know the 7 day rule is to avoid clan hopping, this is from iP to... iP. Doesn't seem like a change to me.

it seems the only people complaining here are stripes and mysterio...go figure.  

Way to prove your credibility King of Pop.

maybe you missed my point.  what im saying is, the community as a whole seems to agree they deserved it, you're the only one pestering for a breakdown of the warning points, which we've said on more than one occasion is on its way and in many ways has already been explained.  No one did this because of anything other than breaking the rules.

We were not in this to ban anyone unless we had to, iP left us no choice.

I really don't see how a censored report is going to bring anymore light to the situation. Perhaps I'm the only one speaking up because unlike most GhR players I don't have a strong dislike for stripes. Or maybe some GhR clans feel better moving up 1 spot on the ladder.

PS. Wouldn't it be more appropriate to have the iP clan set to inactive instead of topping off the ladders with liens through their name?

First of all, who said its cencored?  you?  it is not.  second, we have more than one admin so that reports and research CAN NOT be cencored, its what keeps us in check.  in order for what you're speculating to be true, we all as admins would have had to conspire and want to get iP banned.  I was just as unsure in the begginning as you are now, but the evidence was there and so we voted and acted on it.  If what you're saying is true we would all have had to dislike stripes and iP, and thats simply not the case.  I dont even know them, I looked at the evidence objectively and voted on it.

Stop being such a conspiracy theorist myst, its making you look paranoid.

King

but its the fact that its in the rules (wich we cannot change mid season) and the evidence points to uber left on his own.. wich means that when he (re)joines a clan he falls back under the 7 day rule.. now if slayer had posted about the fact that he had done it by accedent b4 uber had played the cb's.... then things would have been diff b/c of the fact (just like in the tiro fino glitching issue where tiro said he wasging to tell us he was in the glrich after the game was over) its too late by that point.. rules are rules.. and we are following the rules as writen and will nt change the rules (b/c the comunity asked us not to) till after the season is over

Indeed lee. That is a way to apply there. I can't argue with the fact that the rule is written in a very unclear way. Could someone give me the page reference to this rule in the BL pdf?

Oh wait a tick... There is no rule. How can you enforce a rule not in the PDF?

Ok, found it. Page 5 under week. My bad.

Why can't we just close this thread... it's getting no where.