*DAMN R6 Forum

Well this goes for me...I think this sheep idea is really dumb. First of all people can just bet all their sheep befor ethe season ends cuz they have nothign to lose. .iP. had 1 sheep left on the cqb ladder, somehow they cbed ViP and won 85 sheep, making all of their losses meaningless. Me and crypt are in a 2 person CQB clan (S&C), we are careful in our cbs and work hard to win. We don't bet many sheep because we dont want to lose it all. Maybe thats our fault for playing non-noob clans but thats what we do. We can just as simply play a bad clan nd bet 100 sheep (woohoo we jsut won the season). On the same note .iP. just cbed  ViP in siege also! and guess for how many sheep...uhh 100. People are takign advantage of the sheep idea and I dont know what you say, but in my opinion this idea isnt fair.

On the other hand we look at the point system. You get more points for beating clans higher on the list, which makes sense because the higher they are on the ladder the better they are. Lets say you want to take advantage of a noob clan, you can cb them many times, which will be MUCH more work for you and just a waste of time because you wont earn many points. Thats my opinion don't flame me for this, just wanted to say my share on this

Sorry for double post but i just wanted to say that i was in no means pointing anyfingers at .iP. (just giving examples)

This topic was similar to Crypt's, I just noticed, but admins just leave it up, it wont hurt.

Both clans agree on sheep bets. There is no taking advantage when they have to agree. If you are too cowardly to do a larger bet then you can settle for whatever place that puts you. Btw, don't fire back with stuff like "noob clans don't know what they are doing when they bet high" because any clan that signs up for this ladder should know how it works, if they don't that is their fault.

Ok, Myst maybe you should take some time to actually read this. First of all who cares if both clans agree, the point is that asshole clans take advantage of noob(NEW) clans. When I say noob I don't mean they dont know the rules. Im not naming anyone here, but lets put it this way...clans that are not good at the game. Both you and I know there are those types of clans, where you feel secure to bet many sheep agaisnt. S&C doesn't take advantage of that shit and we play both godo and bad clans for fair amont of sheep (5-10). See we do all that hard work.....meanwhile another clan can cb one time for 90 sheep agaisnt a clan THEY KNOW, that they will dominate with no problem. That is the point I am tryign to prove. Take some time and put some thought into it.

myst...don't fire back with stuff like "noob clans don't know what they are doing when they bet high"   -  ???????? I never even said that.

the fuck...I didn't post that twice, bug or something..pls delete the first one admins

done

Sar, if they know what they are doing, they chose to make that bet. Them being bad at a game has nothing to do with their brain development (most of the time). They can still reject any sheep amount any time they want to. If they want to go up to 100, 150, even 200 and they both agree and understand then so be it, you just have to work harder to get up there. This is the most fun I've had in any season and it's because of the risk factor of sheep.

Either way you can say the same thing you said in the last post re-worded now... the end of my post is your cue right? All this looks like is a S&C complain fest.

Sar - Who's to say that 5-10 sheep is the "fair" amount?  Is this a number that you have just pulled out of your hat?  If I said I think 50-70 sheep is the fair amount, it wouldn't be any less valid would it?

This league isn't about being fair, it's about competing.  If you win, you get sheep.  If you don't, you lose sheep - and if you won't accept that then don't cb at all.

more on this issue over @ http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/index.php?board=3;action=display;threadid=7188

the 4th thread in one week by an active player about the sheep's cheap tricks. i guess it would be appreciated to at least know an dbl-admin read these complaints.

a not so serious quesition: so, does the dbl support that any serious team holds himself one or more fake teams just for the sake of winning? fun in cb's and winning by the most fake submissions?

I'm surprised Gabe, and Myst, ok if you put it that way me and crypt are gonna find a clan that comes on once a week and take 100 sheep from them, cool! we just won the ladder too. I also think its kind of weird how .ip. had 1 sheep and bet 85...
Lets just cb a clan that has 5 sheep left for 100 cuz if they lose they can only lose 5 sheep hmm.

Like i said, my main problem with this is the fact that people can go through this whole cb with a good clan, win say...15 sheep and another clan beats a noob clan and wins 60 sheep. I know the argument for this will be, oh just bet more sheep...but everyone here knows they would not risk many sheep.

Myst, you only play RvS. Not to brag but that game is not hard. Everyone is good at RvS now. Maybe some people are slightly better than others, but many people are at a high level now.
On the other hand Ghost Recon has been out for 3 years or so...and STILL there are mant people that are not good at all. What im saying is those people just make a clan. Now a good clan just challenges them to  a cb knowing they will win. Lets play for 50 sheep. Now the noob clan just wants to cb, and they are not familiar with the DBL, so they say "sure why not"

there you go

50-70? well if you want to cbtwice this season, have fun

No sar. You are using one example of a weird set of clan battles. MP5 hasn't done any battles above 25 (I don't think even that) and we were the first clan on any ladder to hit 200.


What was that aiming at?


Actually sar, we are going to be playing former champions of RvS in a very large sheep clan battle.


Actually sar, that's just your bias talking and this alone could discredit all your arguments. There are many clans who suck at RvS and less that are good. You think that you say or are you just blinded by making a lame point?


Point one, see above. Point two, if they don't know what they are doing they deserve what they get.

Point one, I see 2 threads. Point two, just what are you talking about?

final point being... mysterio is emo and a moron.

^You know you're cool when^

iP could bet more sheep than they actually had? If so: sux

And guys... Finals are top 8. Let em cb for 1000 sheep... doesn't matter too much. The best clan WILL win in the end.

WHEN - did we do that acri?

Mb I just misunderstood sar's post. I heard you had 1 sheep and bet 85? no offence intended. I just hope people CANT bet more than they have.

Odds were 1vs 85.

[9:35 PM] .iP. Stripes: yeah, we told em we dont got many sheep
[9:35 PM] z][t-Acri: You bet 1 vs 85?
[9:35 PM] .iP. Stripes: even with siege
[9:35 PM] .iP. Stripes: yes.

wow

Maybe ViP thought they were going to finish off iP? Still seems odd.

wheres the rest of the convo, acri ?

Not for siege and cqb ladders.

And yes, .iP. had 1 sheep left and bet 85

This needs to be fixed ASAP.

simply to jump in really quick...

.iP. bet only one sheep (their last one), as you can see in the info of that cb in the matchlist, and ViP bet all their 85 sheep.

there's nothing wrong with the rules or the script... iP didn't bet more sheep than they had (which is of course not allowed).

Yeah I had a look at that match too??.so let me get this straight- iP bet only 1 sheep and ViP bet 85?? Excuse me for being blunt here, but that seems extremely stupid to me. Sorry, but there is just no other words for it. Who in their right mind would bet all their sheep when the other team only bets 1? What the hell did ViP have to gain by betting all their sheep against 1 little iP sheep? Why didn?t ViP just bet the same as iP or something small??It?s just plain STUPID ? In saying this though, take a look at Match # 3173. No way would ip bet 176 sheep against 3 ViP sheep. Even though iP still won, unless the figures are wrongly submitted for this match, we all know iP would never bet that many sheep -that would almost put them out of the season. Seems way too suspicious to me ?..

 I haven?t played in the DBL before, so I don?t really know any other points system apart from this one. Apart from the issue discussed in this thread, I don?t see many problems with it. It?s fun, and it allows for more clans to have a better chance at being in the top 8 for the finals. May the ?best? clan win.

Tigah  ;)

They (if this was legit) would have bet that 1 vs 85 so that they could entice iP into elimination. Seems if that was the case to have backfired.

damn those are some nice odds.... how bout givin bts some of those figures?

sounds more like a present...

i dunno what was up with em, i asked them why they wanted to bet so many sheep and they said " if u do all ur sheep in team , etc then we bet all our "

why DOESN'T nobody notice we did bet 177 for their 5 sheep ?

yep, have a look at my earlier post stripes- I certainly noticed it and as I suspected, I was waiting for you to point that out. I'm sorry, but I'm no fool, I know you guys would never bet that many unless it was a "sure" win. I can't prove anything, so i won't go any further than that.

Tigah

Why on EARTH would you need the rest of the convo for me pointing out something you can find in the matchlist?

You bet 1 sheep... They bet 85. That's a gift. Don't come claiming you've never recieved gifts like that before, Stripes. It's still very fresh in my memory.

.iP. CQB'd Toxic:: last night, i was ready for a 80/80 sheep - i asked for  that  but benji told me not to and he wouldn't cqb with me, if we didn't do 30/30 . i guess HE was too scared of losing CQB points i dunno.. ! - but we won it.. ANYWAY.

so we did 30/30 - and just told Toxic:: we can always play a cqb again ,  after.

What does that have to do with this issue? Just because you may be behaving now, doesnt mean something funny did go on.

Stripes, it's the fact that you agreed to let this bullshit go on. It's not so much your fault as it is ViP, if they cannot be mature enough to play it out fairly, then they should stay out of the ladder all together.

Maybe if the clan with more sheep was only able to bet double or triple the amount of the lesser team things could be kept under control. That way if u have 1 sheep the most they would recieve for a win is 2, that way they have to earn their way back up and be aware that losses will kill you.

Could be cool if you could only bet as many sheep as your winrate...

If you have 100 sheep and a 50% winrate, all you bet is 50...


Also, I think people betting too little is the main problem. Some clans won't bet more than 4 sheep and 4 sheep isn't worth the 20-60 minutes you spend in front of your computer.

What about the teams who don't win so often, say with a record of 2-20, what about them? They deserve a chance to improve their game and come back later in the season.

What about a 100% win rate?

MP5 will usually bet uneven odds and will increase the unevenness based on how many sheep they are willing to bet.

Example:

They bet 10, we'll match it with 30, but if they go to 20 we'll give them a 80 match.

Heh. That's BS and you know it! Maybe if you played a clan that's never played a cb before.

Actually no. We offer it to any clans who want to bet pussy 5 sheep bets. if it's a 50 sheep CB we wouldn't go crazy on odds.

Mysterio... every single post of you, in all *DAMN Forums, today has been complete bullshit. STFU finally! Goddamn nerve-racking kid...

lol...I agree completely![/size]

Is this a step up from Guest login cowards, or are you just stupid? The only BS is that you don't have any sense to look up the bets on sheep and actually looked at the iP issue objectively you wouldn't be spewing shit. GS, your reply was about as intelligent as Bush's "umm"s tonight.

today???

Ah yes, something to warm the 'ol bones, a nice healthy flame.  Lock-age, somebody?  Anybody?

Indeed Wolf. I believe its somthing like this:
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