*DAMN R6 Forum

Well, I don't have a long ass post to submit here, but I think it's necessary, I won't post a poll because that wouldn't be very accurate. Anyway here goes:

Well, my feelings on the situation is that a clan has nothing to worry about losing to the top clans. This is a good thing, but not when the losing clan can get right back to the top by playing some lesser informed and lower skilled clans. I'm not going to mention any names in my proposal, but I think some of you know what I'm talking about.

Say on the last day of the season, team ABC hasn't been doing particularly well during the course of the season, and that same team bets the maximum amount of sheep that the team 123(an inactive or noob clan) has. Obviously this team won't care because it's the last day and all. So team ABC wins, and drops whoever is in 8th place (lets say XYZ) out of the drawing for the finals. Let's assume that the team in 8th place had a pretty soft cushion between them and team ABC, one that is slightly less than the amount of sheep bet in the cb between ABC and 123. Now we all know that this will put ABC in 8th and put the original 8th place team XYZ into 9th. Now the whole season has gone to waste for XYZ.

I also think that it is just plain wrong to be putting the clans without as much renown and skill almost out of the drawing from the start. Come on guys, we're more mature than that. This league is about fair competition, lets keep it that way.

Cheers,
CRYPT

I hope ur not talking about us... they proposed that number and who would be silly enough to say no... anyway crypt I see where you are going with that.  Ghost sniper... could u be any more biasd? And since when was a gaming community a democracy... when was the last time we voted on an admin?  This is not for us to decide.  Its not life, its a game.  lets not go near anything saying "america is the best" because we have a democracy.  Cmon Ghost lets try and keep this civil.

Democracy is best for the public good. Everyone knows that. Maybe they did ask you, but if there was a limit, this would not happen. Either way, my vote is for a 20 sheep limit per cb, but you would still then just bet 20 sheep for 5 cb's in a row.

Crypt i agree, betting 50 sheep on a cb just takes the fun out of the ladder. Most clans are to afraid to bet a large amount of points because they are scared of running out, so it would seem impossible to catch up to the clan in 1st place.

The fact that .iP. won 100 sheep on a single cb against VIP makes me sick. And then the "clanleader" of VIP leaves right after...I wanna puke.
This system is not a good idea. That must be obvious now to everyone.

the thing is, ViP came to us and wanted to go all 100/100 - we had no problems with it. - and we actually had fun in that siege cb .

i heard ViP did 50 cuz it was their last chance to get in the *DAMN BL, that must be alright if they wanna do what they wanna do!

This system would be great if the players in it would respect it and not abuse it like they are.

LOL...ok if you had fun, then the 100 sheeps are ok. My bad.

The thing is, looking at who the clan is, and that Stripes is in it, I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't some backroom agreement for a loss.[/size]

GS why don't u go blame MoD too ? - stop fucking insulting go ask ViP about if they wanted or not! or w/e ur inulsting about.

and were not only taking points from nOOb clans if it it that u think.


we've won 2 times over BTs_. (example).

that's just about abusing the system stripes , and admit that it's kinda what you're doing ...


you'd never bet 100 sheeps vs any other clans

Rofl  ;D

On the subject.. .

There will never be a flawless point-system. This has pro's compared to the old system, one of them being that it encourages cb'ing.. . Which in my mind outweighs the con that someone might "abuse" it to get temporarly on the first spot.

When the season ends people will know who earned to be where they are and who didn't.

Rat, Joka came to us earlier today and asked us for 100 siege cb. i said yes, we just needed to uber come online.


when uber came online, we was ready but joka had no players to play with.

so, that's a lie rat.

I'd just like to say that it was ViP who came to .iP. and us asking for 50 and 100 sheep cb's.  We did not force them to play it was them who wanted to.

:mOD: u mean ?

even we asked VIP if they were sure on it, cuz if we won they would be out of ladder.! ( all ) and then disbanded from playing in season 9.

but ofc if we lost we had our team ladder to work on.

i don't even wanna post here anymore... cuz this leads NO WHERE.

MoD you know for a fact that you would not play a well known clan that might be as good or better than you for that many sheep. It's ridiculous. Same with iP.

... and crypt you know for a fact if  ViP came to you aksing for 50  sheep cb you would play them.

No I don't, I don't like following others footsteps which I don't agree with, I don't care about winning the ladder that much.

I believe that a clan should have the right to bet as many sheep as they want. What on earth is the point to a betting system if you can't bet? The problem is, was the bet legit and not an attempt to reinforce a friend's "flock." I have a solution to fix this for next season, but we were very clear on not changing anything midseason, as per the request of several individuals who do not understand how unreasonable it is to tie our hands in the face of this sort of problem.

Crypt if you're not here to give it your best to win, beat it. You can play the good guy game all you want. Time will prove what you are.

Hey Ara... you believe so ehh?

Lets say 3 days left of the season... i go to someone and say "Hey" how about your clan cbs us for all of your sheep then next season you can become a member... According to the rules this isnt against them. But it sure fucks everyone else up... This system is flawed... how about people making a clan to bet all 100 sheep in all ladders to another clan? then the clan is done... yet someone else from that clan creates another betting all 100 sheep again....

Clan A with 4 members left.... and 1000 sheep.. Now becuase they either cheated the system... or did was just said above... does this make this team the better team? Better players? or just good con-men?

ehh... eight that can't happend since u can't join / start a new clan after 3 weeks !

i did never do that IF U THINK i did GS.

sorry but ur wrong right now.


and i don't get you 100%.


Sorry.

Right now, nothing is in place. That will change for next season. ;)

If a (weak) clan would get in that kinda way in the finals they would get owned!

So what's the point?!

Tako

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a really good clan who most probably deserved to be in the finals and fighted for it all season... would get kicked out, all of a sudden.

cool, huh?

Civic, are you trying to say .iP. Doesn't deserve a final spot?

No he was replying to Ubertako. He said "a (weak) clan".  Stop looking for flames.

I still don't get this sheep system though... It doens't make much sense
If oyu think about it how could iP bet 85 sheep when they didn't have more than 5 (as far as i remember)? It's like betting more than you actually own in poker...
I mean if Stripes agreed to bet his 5 last sheep AND HIS HOUSE ok... but i doubt this is possible.
so WHY is a clan allowed to bet more than he actually owns? If iP had 5 sheep they should only have been allowed to bet 5 sheep. If they would have won they'd have 10 and would have been been able to bet 10 and so on. AM I NOT RIGHT?

I AM

http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/clanladder/index.php?module=showcb&cbID=3174 (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/clanladder/index.php?module=showcb&cbID=3174)

nope, iP didn't bet more than they had... they bet their last sheep while ViP bet all their 85. betting more sheep than you own is, of course, not possible.

OK but still why would ViP bet so mch when if they win they would only win 5? It makes no sense to me...

If there is one :D

I talked to punisher a few days ago (who, btw, left the clan)... They seemed to have a kind of "who cares" attitude towards the whole thing.

What does that mean?

Nothing, Spike, I was just having a little fun.

So, can the admins confirm a change during the offseason of the sheep system. It's a great system, when done right. I also suggest you guys go to the community for suggestions, IE a democracy. It's always best when running an online gaming league.

lol....Democracy???  From a bunch of socialist Europeans with a bent on dictatorships???  I'm afraid you'll have to go elsewhere to find Democracy.[/size]

Well, I was planning on doing that, GS. But if I mention what I would be doing that would be using my non-existant freedom of speech on these forums.

before the next season starts, What about asking the leaders of each clan to get suggestions from their members and posting those suggestions in a new thread with a poll, based on what players believe is the best, fairest and perhaps most accurate points system -I think that's kinda what crypt was saying, which would be democracy right GS?


Tigah  ;)

Crypt, changes require a majority. You and Sar are not a majority.

Not to mention the countless others who thinks the current system sucks. You are not a majority either.

It's not exactly fair to bring challenging political rhetoric into a discussion about an online gaming league.

Exactly!

Oh, and we need female admins.....I nominate[/size] Red Tigah!

I nominate you, GS.

Queen Tigah!

Thanks GS! I also think this place could do with a womans touch.  :)

Not posting as an admin -duh!
And stay on topic please.......hehe see! I can do it! :P


Tigah  ;)

And it makes the longer posts easier to read when Im not picturing civic or some other admin posting them.  ;)
just kidding, Tigah


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