*DAMN R6 Forum

Order this http://www.mediaed.org/videos/CommercialismPoliticsAndMedia/Hijacking_Catastrophe (http://www.mediaed.org/videos/CommercialismPoliticsAndMedia/Hijacking_Catastrophe) right now. Ghostsniper, I challenge you to watch this movie. You don't have to like it, just watch it. It's non-partisan, and produced by the very reputable Media Education Foundation.

"Hijacking Catastrophe: 9/11, Fear & the Selling of American Empire examines how a radical fringe of the Republican Party has used the trauma of the 9/11 terror attacks to advance a pre-existing agenda to radically transform American foreign policy while rolling back civil liberties and social programs at home."[/size][/i]

lol....you call that non-partisan???[/size]

Yes, it's called reality.

     Last I checked, "non-partisan" didn't mean "in favor of the Republican party", despite what Republicans seem to think.

But it also doesn't mean "specifically against the Republican party" either.  A statement of a "pre-existing agenda" is a bunch of crap which isn't true.[/size]

GS, half Bush's DoD bigwigs are right from Project of a New America Century which states this agenda fairly specifically, it even basically wishes for a big crisis that would allow them to get popular support to enact it.

As for this content disqualifying it from non-partisanship...that is the sad truth of the Fox Effect and subsequent conservative shift of the mainstream media. No longer is truth the important factor, but "balance." Although Fox doesn't to, most of the other networks are so frightened of being called liberally biased (something you wouldn't hear about if it was true) that they overbalance to the conservatives. But proper, neutral journalism isn't about giving both sides equal weight and consideration, it is giving accurate and true information weight over inaccurate politiking.

So yeah, this is just real journalism, unincumbered by the Fox Effect, and is not politically biased, but rather factual...and the facts happen to not be favorable to the Republicans.

Project for a New American Century mission statement http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm (http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm) and their letter to Pres. Clinton in 97' http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm (http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm)  Do the names at the bottom look familiar? Just another example of how this war has nothing to do with terrorism, and more to do with the will of greedy power hungry lunatics.

I wonder, did you listen to or hear any of Konfi Anans (bad sp)  speech at the UN the other day?

Give me one single shred of evidence that backs that claim up.

Sorry i thought i posted somthing... but everytime most of us post somthing you seem to ignore it if it dosn't meet somthing you want to address or reply to, its like talking to a politician - they will argue about everything and answer everything apart from the question you ask them.

Give me one single shred of evidence that backs that claim up.

Ok so you can't back it up. Thanks for clearing that up. Its nothing more than an opinion and what you say people you know who might or might not have a clue what their talking about.


Amazing, i didn't realise they could do that for you. Whats it called " The Extreame Fanatical Religouse Republican News Network - we give you the news you want to hear"??

SO what exactly do they tell you Ghostsniper? rather reeling of how great and inportant your list of contacts are, what do these people actually know and where do they base these claims from?

GS, answer yes or no, do you agree with this statement (not from them): "If something is in the best interest of America, we can and should do it regardless of opposition."

I love how they say one of the tenets is that they will cooperate with democratic allies...apparently that was just talk when those allies didn't agree.

Oddly, one of my Republican friends, who has none of your sources, parrots the Kofi Annan claim just as you do...must be in the "liberal" media afterall. Too bad he can't support the claim with any proof either. You definitely have a Bush Administration debating style...the whole I can't tell you why I'm right, but trust me, I'm right. That isn't democracy though, democracy is based on informed citizens.

I really want to know why you think the US should be a dictatorship of foreign politics, why we should be able to do as we wish. You are extremely shortsighted, only through a comprehensive international diplomatic organization, the UN, can greater peace ever be attained. Certainly it could use with some modifications, but it is dangerous to suggest it serves no purpose. WWII was a direct result of the League of Nations not being implemented to Wilson's desire (and the reparations being too punative.)

I guess I'll take that as a compliment.

Why worry about Nukes in places like china? you have them, we have them, there are a lot of countrys that have them.  - surely it would be much more relevant to worry that there are countrys like Israel that have them.

Why bother with the media? Nowadays it's so hard to know the truth from the lies, the mud-slinging from the news. Mass media has evolved from a means to know what's going on in the world, in service of the public, to a way by which political goals are pursued.
I do not know who is manipulating us, nor on what subject it is being done. All I need to know is that the independant media, are no longer independant. So how the hell can I know who to vote for, what groups to support, and what lies to believe? I can't. We can't.
How about just following our gut? I see GhostSniper is doing just that. Based on what he (sorry for referring to you this way) believes, and his best intelligence, he's supporting certain political parties, and groups. Fine, it's his opinion, and my may differ. So be it.

But that's what it all comes down isn't it? Opinion. If external information can no longer be trusted, and there is no easy way to get the information you need, your gut becomes the information source.

I know i don't know it all, but I try to make the world into what i think is best.
A better world starts with yourself. Make that better, and then you'll be right influencing people.

my 2 eurocents

What country in the Middle East is in violation of 69 U.N. Security Council Resolutions? Israel.

What country in the Middle East has racially discriminate land laws? Israel.

What country in the Middle East still carries on an illegal 37-year occupation? Israel.

What country in the Middle East has racially discriminate laws regarding water distribution? Israel.

What is the only country in the Middle East that refuses to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and bars International Inspectors? Israel.

What country's military in the Middle East has had high-ranking officers admit publically that prisoners of war have summarily executed by it's forces? Israel.

What country in the Middle East's Prime Minister was found responsible by one of it's own courts for the Sabra and Shatilla massacres in Lebanon? Israel.

What country in the Middle East has a Prime Minister whose coalition government includes a party called Molodet which promotes Ethnic cleansing by calling for the forced expulsion of all Arabs from Palestine? Israel.


.... I guess thats part of the reson why i don't like the idea of them having Nukes.