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dumb video  :-X

OK Gabe, look past the stupid presentation to the acual points made....

Every one of them is absolutly spot on. Although thats the opposite of what the administration wants u to think about.

Im with BFG, as silly as it might be, it makes a point.  The terrorists are probably toasting to our "success" in the middle east right now, because its adding that much more fuel to the fire of radical islamism all over the world, and distracting the secret service, and our military, from everywhere else in the world.

Makes me happy for humanity.

Cheers.

God....if Kerry becomes president...when we get ass raped by terrorism...im comin STRAIGHT on here to post about how shitty Kerry is!

     But Rebel, that would be letting the terrorists win!

what has kerry to do with this video ? why dont you comment on bush instead of kerry !

Lol at this stupid video, how the hell does he know Iraq has nothing to do with terrorism? How would he know anymore than the President of the USA?

He doesnt Crypt...thats what makes it funny.

I'd like to take the time to pay me respects to all the people that died in 9-11 either in the buildings or trying to help people get out. I have had loses from that day, and I'm sure many of you have to. I'm going to visit a few graves today and try to remember the good times.

Although I wasn't directly affected by the 9/11 attacks, I do agree with Maniac. We all let this political bullshit get caught up with what really matters, which is the ones who will never again see the light of day or ever experience all the beautiful things in life.

Absolutly, but at the same time we should be making sure that this dosn't happen again and that other innocent people wether they are in iraq ireland or Istanbul are  not harmed in any way, be it by invading armed forces or by terrorists or whatever.

Iraq was not connected to 9/11 there are no links, there were no links, there won't be any links.

Woah....BFG must be the guy who runs the secret service if he KNOWS there are no ties between Iraq and terrorism....woah.....can i have ur autograph?

oh am i missing something  im sorry... where was the shred of evidence that suggests otherwise? Did Suddenly the Taliban / Osama Bin Larden and Saddam Husain suddenly drop their hatred for each other and decide to team up to attack america?

Sorry gabe, can we have a look at the information that suggets otherwise and shows that suddenly iraq is some 'terrorist nation' that was teamed up with the taliban?

Bush fucked up Afganistan, osmama and most of the guys got away - the fighting still goes on... He wants you to belive that 9/11 had somthing to do with iraq becasue Saddam hussain has been captured and its much better PR.

Rebel, the 9/11 Commission is the one that said there was no working relationship between Saddam and Al Queda. They had access to the intelligence. Thus we know the Bush Administration is full of shit.

the 9/11 Commission  oh... and the rest of the freaking world.

is it just me, or do the republicans here account for the majority of the uninformed percentage on this board? i don't think i've seen one of them back any of their shit up with factual evidence. they seem to lack capacity...a new definition for republican voters is in order..

As I posted (with link) elsewhere...Republicans have a certain knack for believing what isn't true. Just like they have a certain knack for saying what isn't true when they are elected officials.

We've had four years of your guy.  He's had the chance to protect America, to combat terrorism, and to unite the nation.

He failed to protect America.  3,000 murdered civilians.
He's failed to combat terrorism.  Bin Laden; free.  Anthrax killer; free. World terrorism is at an all time high.
He's used the murder of American civilians, the invasion of Iraq, and the concept of a never-ending war to divide the country. For example, people who question his policies are often insulted as being against America.

And another thing: how can you question the courage of a man who volunteered for comabt duty even when we was against the war he was serving in?  It's one thing to fight when you believe in the cause; another to fight because you love your country and would die to protect it.   That sort of courage is found in John  Kerry -- and I want my leaders to personify sacrifice and courage.  What was Bush doing?  Getting drunk, ditching service, disobeyin direct orders, and getting daddy to cover it up.  Morally the two are worlds apart. As the measure of what it is to be a man, they are lives apart.

Bush is the Ken doll of leadership; dress him up right and he looks good. Kerry is the definition of a leader; even thirty years after serving his crew as still by his side.

Every one is absolutely clich? and over-argued, too.  I guess some people never get tired of watching the same videos and hearing the same points over and over again.

Every point made in that video is a year round controversy.  Why can't we give it a break for just ONE day out of the year and remember the people that died during the attacks?

And Cheney has the nerve to say there will be another terrorist attack if Kerry is elected.

I feel there will be anouther terrorist attack if kerry is eleceted.. I have felt this way from a while now.

Yes, i do too.

Then again probably for a different reason than others. I think there will be another attack on the US because the state of the world is so fucked up now, and because of the amount of damage that Bush has done, that simply changing presidents will not change anything in the short term.

However in the long term a change of stance of forign policy and i expect things will over time change.

Bush helped fuck things up in matter of weeks and months... It will probably take decades if ever that some of this can be repaired. And there will almost certainly be more attacks before then

The President is a total figure head, it does not matter who is Commander in Chief, fundamentalists will strike again in a catastrophic way within our life times, and we will all consequently lose our civil liberties and become chattle for the government's war machine. The least we can do now is vote this puppet out of office.

Ps. This icon is taken straight from georgewbush.com, in case u wanted one.

yes that is true spets.. That also why I hate the eiruopens blaming bush from everything.. Its not just him.. He is a figure head.. the senate has most of the power.. they can override anthing that bush desides to do. Thats part of the reason that I think that thing WILL NOT change with kerry in office.. but the terroerst will think of him as a pussy and will think its open season at first to do another attack.

     Heh. I actually wouldn't be surprised if there was a terrorist attack immediately following Kerry's victory. It'd be like the terrorists saying, "Hey, don't vote our guy out of office!" I'm not saying Bush is a tool of the terrorists (hey, that may be the only group he's not a tool of, somebody write this down!), but he has done more than any man in memory to advance the cause of militant radical Islam.

     Dude, seriously, fighting a war of aggression to make money for a handful of plutocrats is not at all the same as fighting a war to defend our rights. Painting Bush as a noble leader making the hard choices to keep America from, I don't know, spontaneously combusting (or whatever it is you think would happen if there were a Democrat in office) is unconvincing as hell. Regardless of your faith-based trust in the Great Leader, he's personally responsible for a whole mess of shit, shit that's going to take anywhere from years (his slash-and-burn-and-turn-a-profit strategy towards environmental law) to decades (the extreme right-wing Supreme Court justices he will most likely appoint if he spends four more years in office, his decision to fan the flames of radical Islam, his decision to piss every nuclear-packing nation in the world off, his decision to wipe his ass with the Bill of Rights) to fix.

     I understand that you are extremely (I would even say blindly) patriotic. However, I respect the emotion if not the excess. Given your patriotism and avowed willingness to do anything it takes to preserve and defend America, how can you reconcile your support for an administration that seems to be doing everything in their power to line their own pockets at the expense (in every sense of the word -- the monetary cost is the least part of it) of America? The only reasonable conclusion I can come to is that when you speak of your love for America, you actually mean love for the Administration. And no, they are not the same thing.

To be fair to GS he did serve his country under a different administration, so he does has a legit to loving his country and not merely the figure head leader

I've served in the military every bit as much as Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, Condi Rice, John Ashcroft, etc on the Bush Administration.

And guess what, I AM in the government...every one of us (well, US citizens) are. That is what a democracy is about...it is a government of the people.

There are a lot of people involved with military and intelligence that think Bush is doing a shit job. Gen. Wesley Clark, Richard Clark, and Joe Wilson among them.

 lol tool, how much more safer is our country now, then it was before 9/11........ hmm, none. if there were another 9/1 tomorow, they wouldn;t know about it, and it would happen. i feels safe! meanwhile, back at the white house, bush and cheney are raking it in becuase of the war, and the "rebuilding" process, were haliburton can get no-bid contracts. This video makes, and wonderful point, and although kerry might no be the best canidate ( to conservitive) he is at the very least, smarter, and more capable of helpping our terrorist problem. Bombing makes more terrorists. NOT less, thing about that one.

Like Bondo I've served in the military every bit as much as Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, Condi Rice, John Ashcroft, etc on the Bush Administration, and aloso of the British Government etc etc...


lol sorry but after seeing the quality of your intelligence serices im not surprised they love bush. Bush is giving them more money, securing their jobs, and making them very happy! THEY don't really mean jack shit. and just what exactly are they "in the know" off?


Oh and i should congratulate those great US Soldiers in Iraq who yesterday fired a misile into a croud of civilians who were onlooking a burning car that had exploded - the US missile was fired from an attack helicopter that went to investigate and fired into the crowd apparently to "prevent looting"... their were shocking images from the camera of a news reporter showing the explosion... u see the camera drop, the lense covered with blood.
Im sure the 70 odd civilians killed in in Iraq yesterday really appreicate what your doing for them ghostsniper....

And still u and others belive that this approach is helping prevent terrorist attacks?

like Golden shark said:

Although kerry might no be the best canidate he is at the very least, smarter, and more capable of helping America. Bush's actions are making more terrorists. NOT less.

I give up... you just can't argue with narrow minded conservative christian fundamentalists, it simply dosn't work.


lol sorry harvey ;) left a damn ] off the end :)

BGF.. you realy need to learn how to close your qoutes up ;D ;D

This is frightening.  

People honestly believe this.  Why do you believe it?  Any rationale at all?  What fact can you point to that demonstraits that the terrorists will attack us if Kerry is elected?

If you can't point to fact, then shut the fuck up -- what you are saying is disgusting. It smacks of the flith dictator's use to control their populace.




And Ghost, you know I respect your military service and faith in this country.  But maybe your soical circle is rather limited, politically. If Bush is doing a good job of fighting terrorism why is world wide terrorism at an all time high? If he's doing a good job where is Bin Laden? where is the Anthrax Killer?  If Bush is fighting terrorism why did he allow know terrorists -- American passport holders -- back into the country yesterday? If Bush is winning the war in Iraq why are the attacks on our troops increasing? Why are more troops being killed and wounded month by month?  If we are succeeding in Iraq why do we continue to lose control of the cities? why are whole swaths of the nation places we do not control? If we are safer then why does Cheney say that if his oppenents are elected we will be attacked? If we are safer then why does this administration constantlly use fear of terrorism in it's discussions? If we are safer why are you and the Republicans so afraid?  And if Bush is such a good leader, why hasn't he tried to unite the nation rather than use terrorism, 9/11, and the Iraq war to divide us? Why does he allow questions of a soldier's patriotism when he himself failed to service in combat?

Why does he do all these things and more, if he is such a great man?  and why do you persist in believing in him when there are so many reasonable questions to ask of him?

Well, except typhy.

Sorry to cut down the quote, but this is what I'd like to ask you.  And really, I just want to know.

What did Kerry do to prove he know's little about protecting America?
     What jumps to mind is the massive defense bill he voted against in '91, the one with all the funding for the various weapons systems.  The same one Cheney was against.

And when did he say he'd wait for France, Germany, or the UN to give us the go ahead to defend ourselves?
     He's never said this.  Republican pundits say he will do this but he's never said it, and in fact has directly refuted it.  Quoted directly from his acceptance speech:

"I defended this country as a young man and I will defend it as President.? Let there be no mistake:? I will never hesitate to use force when it is required.? Any attack will be met with a swift and certain response. I will never give any nation or international institution a veto over our national security.? And I will build a stronger American military."

Pretty plain-Jane there.

Ghost...the war in Iraq isn't about protecting our country. The claims that Iraq was a danger have been refuted.

I think the point that is important is that Kerry would unilaterally protect our country if the UN wouldn't agree to it, he just wouldn't unilaterally invade a soverign nation that was not threatening the safety of our nation. You need to be able to make a distinction between the "war" on terrorism and the Iraq war...they are not actually related (well, they weren't...they may be now because we've made it a terrorism problem.)

Follow ups.  

Why does world opinion not matter to you when it comes to invading sovreign nations?   Until Bush the US did not look kindly on those countries that invaded others at whims.

Should the US be a nation that invades other countried because we want to?

What threat was Iraq? And why was Iraq a greater threat than Bin Laden and the Anthrax Killer?



As for believing John Kerry... you know what I think of blind faith. But frankly no president has ever let foreign nations tell us what to do, and I don't see Kerry as any different. And when he talks about listening to the UN and respecting the views fo countries like France and Gremany he's right -- we should listen to them.  They inhabit the world too.  But, he's also not gonna let them tell us what to do. Bush says that he's not going to let them tell us what to do and uses that as the rationale for not listening to them. This is woefully misguided.  

This is what worries me about you Ghost. Obviously you're well informed and well educated.  You could be no less having served as a Ranger.  But why can't you understand the nuance -- woh! the nuance -- of listening to allies but retaining the freedom act at our own discretion? This is Kerry's position.  You can agree with it or not, but really, doubt it's sincerity? Why would a man who wants to be president of the most powerful country in the world want to hand over the cornerstone of our potence to other countries? It's just a silly suposition.

In addition, almost all of Kerry's remarks in regards to the UN, etc, have to do with Bush's invasion of Iraq.  Many Americans find it distasteful at best how we rushed to war, and not only how we rushed to war but that we rushed to war in the face of international terrorism.  We pull units from fighting Al Queda in Afganistan and deployed them to Iraq. But what is more important? Getting the guys who killed Americans or getting a secular, yet brutal dictator? Kerry is more of a hawl on fighting terrorism that Bush will ever be, because Bush does not care about fighting terrorism -- he is a political oppurtunist (now this is what I believe).  He wanted victories and Saddam looked like an easy target. Trouble was, Saddam was an easy target, but pacifing the country has turned out to be hard. Bush has no idea how to fix Iraq. And honestly, he doens't care. Bush goes from disaster ro disaster, propping himself up on the backs of the dead but bringing no successes. Tell me! where is the great victory? Where is the steady leadership? Show me why I am wrong and that Bush has accomplished something worth trumpeting?

Really there is nothing. Which is why all he does is attack Kerry; which is why all the Republicans do is attack Kerry. They cannot point to successes as reasons to impower them.


And what good leader rejects the opinions of his peers out of hand?  Did your officers in the Rangers talk to each other? Was there an officer who always thought he was right, despite the opinions of others? Was he a good officer or a fool?

I'm not saying that by listening to others you give up your rights to make up your own mind but rather that by listening you might learn something.

OK cool, so you will be invading Israel and capturing Sharon now so we can put him up for War crimes as well?

And perhaps as your so worried about Iran and North Korea you could maybe go invade south Korea as well since they have only just "announced" a Nuclear programme that they really shouldnt have been doing....


Um if my memory serves me it was actually predominatly US and British troops that carried out the invasion - others yes but token. It wasn't untill people saw how badly they fucked up in Bagdad etc that they had to go help out.

you mean, as in an elephant? that big animal that lives in herds, is extremely near-sighted, manages to raise several juvenile delinquents every generation, and gets VERY NASTY when in heat?

yup.. sounds pretty republican to me


P.S. if you dont believe me, look it up.
P.P.S either that was the crappiest pun ever, or i'm too dimwitted to understand it.