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A nice little ad backed by folks such as John O'neill(the dude Kerry debated on the June 30, 1971 broadcast of "The Dick Cavett Show", whom Kerry owned. Keep in mind none of these vets were on the same boat as Kerry, the 3 vets that served on his actual boat are campaigning for Kerry. http://www.swiftvets.com/ (http://www.swiftvets.com/)

The US presidential race is always amusing  :)

Like a soap opera.. . erhm.. Not that I like them.. .. yea... carry on.

To be honest they all seem like a bunch of jealous old men paid to let out their frustration that they aren't intelligent enough to lead a country.

Looks like the truth comes out. I knew it was too good to be true.

Where is evidence that these people did not serve with him? I'd like to see it.

 Funny how none of these people were actually on the same boat as Kerry, where as the people who served close to him and all campaigning for him.

Actually 3 or 4 of them were, it shows their picture in the clip which is the same one of the crew picture. I'm not gonna get into this, just pointing that out.

Actually no, that picture shows about 25 to 30 people, a swift boat only has a crew of 5 or 6. http://swiftboats.net/extras/crew_complement.htm (http://swiftboats.net/extras/crew_complement.htm), here are the men that were on the boat with Kerry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Kerry_with_crew3.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Kerry_with_crew3.jpg). And an interesting article about the group Swift Boat veterans for truth http://www.washingtondispatch.com/opinion/article_9754.shtml (http://www.washingtondispatch.com/opinion/article_9754.shtml)

old men + money = lies

PwneD!

who was pwned? if anything the people that made that ad were pwned

lol cmon rebel don't fall for that shit. lies don't pwn anything (which is why the bush administration has never had a successful 'pwn' ever).

I'm sure condi rice sat w. done one day and said: sir, we must go and pwn those terrorists. and w. said: you're godamn right we'll pwn cause i'm 1337!




end of story.

How do you guys know that ad is a lie? How do you know that the people speaking for Kerry arent lying? Who knows whos tellin the truth? Who knows whos lying? Its a fubar world and im pretty sure no1 know the whole truth about anything thats going on in the world.

It would be nice if they actually were on the same boat as Kerry rebel.

You mean boat? And how do u know those guys on his boat havent been paid off to tell all the good stuff? Nothing is what it seems Neo.

this is good campain stuff. When it becomes dirty, you know the opposite team is getting scared !

They are in panic mode, when an incumbent's approval rating drops below 50%, like Bush's, they have to stoop low. Personally, I think its sick that a man who actually put his life on the line for our country is being slandered in favor of a draft dodging coke head alcoholic fucking fool.

exactly

No offence.. but having family that was in 3 diff wars I think kerrry is a dushe bag. He says he risked his likfe for his country but his fellow team mates say other wise. I'm not a bush supporter.. but I also think kerry is a very bad choice for the USA. I do like Kerry's running mate Edwards though.

That picture is of Kerry and his peers.  The other officers of that command.  Guys that commanded boats and worked right next to Kerry.  Not the enlisted men of his boat, but guys with the same responsibility and mission as Kerry.  What about the medic that treated the wounds?  

Everyone here is brainwashed and only looks at things from the perspective of the outcome they want.  

Lee.Harvey gets it.

I have never claimed to back Bush...i just dont like Kerry. Lets put it this way.....if everyone in your clan says you suck except a 3 guys who say you are good...who is everyone gonna believe?

all idiots, why don't you grow some sac and use your actual account before you try to insult us, fucktard.

Ok I'll do this person by person who appeared in the Swift boat ad...


George Elliott

"John Kerry has not been honest about what happened in Vietnam."
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George Elliott was NOT a crewmate of John Kerry's

Was Elliott Honest in 1996 When He Said This of Kerry?
"The fact that he chased an armed enemy down is not something not to be looked down upon but it was an act of courage. And the whole outfit served with honor..."[T]here was no question that it was above and beyond anything that we had seen down there in that case at that time frame...It just so happened that this one was so outstanding that the Silver Star was eventually awarded." [Kerry Press Conference, 10/27/96]

In 1969, Elliott Wrote This to Describe John Kerry's Fitness as a SWIFT Boat Commander
"In a combat environment often requiring independent, decisive action, LTJG Kerry was unsurpassed. He constantly reviewed tactics and lessons learned in river operations and applied his experience at every opportunity. On one occasion, while in tactical command of a three boat operation his units were taken under fire from ambush. LTJG Kerry rapidly assessed the situation and ordered his units to turn directly into the ambush. This decision resulted in routing the attackers with several KIA. LTJG Kerry emerges as the acknowledged leader in his peer group. His bearing and appearance are above reproach. He has of his own volition learned the Vietnamese language and is instrumental in the successful Vietnamese training program. During the period of this report LTJG Kerry has been awarded the Silver Star medal, the Bronze Star medal, the Purple Heart medal (2nd and 3rd awards)."[U.S. Navy, Officer Fitness Report signed by George Elliott; 18, Dec 1969]

Elliott on Presenting Kerry the Silver Star: He Went "Above & Beyond the Call of Duty."
"The [Silver Star] ceremony [for John Kerry] was meant to be a morale booster,' Commander George Elliot recalled. 'We were trying to pay tribute to Kerry and the others for going above and beyond the call of duty. The Silver Star is always a big deal." [Tour of Duty, 2004, Brinkley; p. 294]

Al French

Al French was NOT a crewmate of John Kerry's

Kerry's Not Lying And Neither Are the People That Back Up Kerry's Military Actions:

the U.S. Navy
Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, Commander U.S. Naval Forces in Vietnam
Admiral John Hyland Commander in Chief U.S. Pacific Fleet
Presidential Historian Douglas Brinkley
the Boston Globe
James Rassmann and the Crewmates of PCF-44 & PCF 94.

Louis Letson

"I know John Kerry is lying about his first purple heart, because I treated him for that injury."
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Louis Letson, Now Part of the Republican Veterans Efforts to Smear Kerry, WAS NOT the Doctor That Signed Kerry's Sick Call Sheet and Was NOT a Kerry Crewmate
Letson Offers NO PROOF He Treated Kerry.
Despite Letson's claims to have treated Kerry, he is not listed on any document as having treated Kerry after the 12/2/68 firefight. Offering only an account of dates and places-which is readily available in Kerry's biography and media accounts-Lester has produced nothing to verify his treatment of Kerry.

Another Doctor Signed Kerry's Sick Call Sheet.
Regarding Dr. Letson's recollection of Mr. Kerry's wound, Michael Meehan, a campaign spokesman, noted that a different person, J. C. Carreon, had signed the "sick call sheet" summarizing treatment of the injury, and asked, "Who is this guy? How do we know that he was the doctor who treated him?" The aides produced several veterans to attest to Mr. Kerry's bona fides. [New York Times, 5/4/04]

Letson Didn't Record His Memories of Vietnam Until Kerry's Emergence in 2003.
"Letson says that last year, as the Democratic campaign began to heat up, he told friends that he remembered treating one of the candidates many years ago. In response to their questions, Letson says, he wrote down his recollections of the time." [National Review Online, 5/4/04]

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?Van O'Dell

"John Kerry lied to get his Bronze Star. I know. I was there. I saw what happened."
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Van O'Dell was NOT a crewmate of John Kerry's

The Simple Truth: John Kerry was nominated for the Bronze Star by James Rassmann and eyewitness accounts, official naval documents and independent analyses all state that Kerry and his crew were under fire on the day in question.

Jack Chenowith

"His account of what happened and what actually happened are the difference between night and day."
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Jack Chenowith was NOT a crewmate of John Kerry's

Mysterious Vet Named Chenoweth Appears Out of No Where to Accuse U.S. Navy & Fellow Vietnam Vets of Lying: Its Not Kerry's Account on the Bronze Star Citation-It's the Account of the U.S. Navy, Admiral Elmo Zumwalt Commander U.S. Naval Forces in Vietnam and backed up by Presidential Historian Douglas Brinkley, the Boston Globe, James Rassmann and the Crewmate of PCF-44 & PCF 94.

Roy Hoffman

"John Kerry has not been honest."
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Roy Hoffmann was NOT a crewmate of John Kerry's

"Hoffman acknowledged he had no first-hand knowledge to discredit Kerry's claims to valor and said that although Kerry was under his command, he really didn't know Kerry much personally." [Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, 5/7/04]

Hoffman's Boss Awarded Kerry Silver Star & Bronze Star: "Captain Roy Hoffman" was Admiral Zumwalt's "trusty aide."

This is What Zumwalt Said About Kerry: "KERRY's calmness, professionalism and great personal courage under fire were in keeping with the highest traditions of the United States Naval Service." [Kerry Bronze Star Citation; www.JohnKerry.com]

Former Senator Bob Kerrey Described Roy Hoffman as "The Classic Body Count Guy"
Hoffmann was a cigar-chomping officer who brandished an M-16 assault rifle and wore a revolver when he visited troops in the field. "He was the classic body-count guy," Kerrey says. "Bunkers destroyed, hooches destroyed, sort of scorekeeper." [New York Times Magazine, 4/29/01]

Hoffman Thought His Rules of Engagement in Vietnam Were "Too Restrictive"
In the summer of 1968, Hoffmann complained to his superiors in Pearl Harbor that the prevailing rules of engagement were too constrictive. "This was war," Hoffmann said in an interview last month. "This wasn't Sunday school." He made what he said was a pro forma request for looser rules, which was granted. Previously, Hoffmann said, military personnel had not been permitted to fire unless they were fired upon. Under the new rules, he said, they could attack if they felt threatened. "I told them you not only have authority, I damned well expect action," Hoffmann recalled. "If there were men there and they didn't kill them or capture them, you'd hear from me." [New York Times Magazine, 4/29/01]

Hoffman Described by Fellow Vets as "Hotheaded", "Bloodthirsty" and "Egomaniacal"
"Interviews with various Swift boat veterans turned up descriptions of Hoffman as 'hotheaded,' 'bloodthirsty,' and 'egomaniacal'." [Tour of Duty, Brinkley, 2004, p. 105]

Adrian Lonsdale

"He lacks the capacity to lead"
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Adrian Lonsdale was NOT a crewmate of John Kerry's

Adrian Lonsdale in 1996:
"As far as I was concerned, the war was won over there in that part for that period. And it was mainly won because of the bravado and the courage of the young officers that ran the boats, the SWIFT boats and the Coast Guard cutters and Senator Kerry was no exception." [Kerry for Senate Press Conference, 10/27/96]

Larry Thurlow

"When the chips were down, you could not count on John Kerry."
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Larry Thurlow was NOT a crewmate of John Kerry's

Thurlow's Statements Do Not Fit With History - Says Navy is Lying?
On the day Kerry pulled Rassmann from the water, "Larry Thurlow had maneuvered his PCF-51 over by this time and he hopped aboard PCF-3 to offer assistance. The boat was in shambles but they were still shooting too hard to assess any damage" "BOATS RECEIVED HEAVY A/W [automatic weapons] & S/A [small arms] FROM BOTH BANKS?ALL BOATS AND MSF RETURNED FIRE?PCF-94 [Kerry's boat] PICKED UP MSF ADVISOR WHO WENT OVERBOARD?PCF-94 TOWED PCF-3." [Tour of Duty, Brinkley, 2004, p. 314; U.S. Navy After Action Report: http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/SpotReports_March1969.pdf]

Larry Thurlow Even Praised Kerry Despite Coming From Different Backgrounds:
"John was sharp as a tack... But he came from a background most of us couldn't understand." [Tour of Duty, Brinkley, 2004 p. 300]

Bob Elder

"John Kerry is no war hero."
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Bob Elder was NOT a crewmate of John Kerry's

Kerry's Silver Star Citation:
"For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity in action while serving with Coastal Division ELEVEN engaged in armed conflict with Viet Cong insurgents in An Xuyen Province, Republic of Vietnam, on 28 February 1969."

Kerry's Bronze Star Citation:
"For heroic achievement while serving with Coastal Division ELEVEN engaged in armed conflict with Viet Cong communist aggressors in An Xuyen Province, Republic of Vietnam, on 13 March 1969."

Shelton White

"John Kerry betrayed the men and women he served with in Vietnam."
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Shelton White was NOT a crewmate of John Kerry's

Jim Rassmann, Says Kerry Risked His Life to Save Him:
"Rassmann was 21 at the time, a Special Forces lieutenant in charge of a company of American and Chinese fighters. On that day, they traveled on a convoy of five patrol boats led by the 25-year-old Kerry, a Navy lieutenant - and they were on the run, being chased down the Bay Hap River by enemy soldiers firing guns and rockets. The group had already lost one soldier that day. As they sped down the river, one boat was blown out of the water, and then another. An explosion wounded Kerry in the arm and threw Rassmann into the river. Rassmann dove to the bottom to avoid being run over by the other boats. When he surfaced, he saw the convoy had gone ahead. Viet Cong snipers fired at him, and Rassmann submerged over and over to avoid being hit. The bullets came from both banks, and Rassmann had nowhere to go. He began thinking his time had come, but the fifth time he came up, he saw the convoy had turned around. Kerry had ordered the boats back to pick up the man overboard. Kerry's boat, under heavy fire, sidled up to the struggling soldier. Rassmann tried to scramble up a cargo net at the bow but was too exhausted to make it all the way. He clung to the net as bullets whizzed past. 'Next thing I knew, John came out in the middle of all this,' Rassmann says. 'I couldn't believe it. He was going to get killed. He ran to the edge, reached over with his good arm [Kerry had been wounded in his right arm] and pulled me over the lip.' Rassmann later recommended Kerry for the Silver Star, and was upset when the Army instead awarded Kerry a lesser Bronze Star with a 'V' for valor." [Los Angeles Times, 3/13/04]

Joe Ponder

"He dishonored his country. He most certainly did."
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Joe Ponder was NOT a crewmate of John Kerry's

Kerry's Silver Star Citation:
"His actions were in keeping with the highest traditions of the United States Naval Service."

Kerry's Bronze Star Citation:
"KERRY's calmness, professionalism and great personal courage under fire were in keeping with the highest traditions of the United States Naval Service.

Grant Hibbard

"He betrayed all his shipmates. He lied before the Senate."
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Grant Hibbard was NOT a crewmate of John Kerry's

Kerry's Crewmates Are "All Fiercely Loyal"
"Vietnam crewmates, [are] all fiercely loyal to John Kerry." [AP, 7/29/04]

Just This Week, General Tommy Franks Came to Kerry's Defense on Sean Hannity's Show.
When pressed by conservative talk show host Sean Hannity, retired General and Former Commander in Chief of Central Command, Tommy Franks believed Kerry's summary of what other soldiers had told him about unfortunate actions by a few U.S. soldiers in Vietnam: "I'm not sure that -- that activities like that didn't take place. In fact, quite the contrary. I'm sure that they did." [Fox News, Hannity & Colmes, 8/3/04]

Pulitzer Prize Winning Series Further Backs Kerry.
In April of 2004, the Toledo Blade was awarded the Pulitzer Prize for their series detailing the atrocities committed by a few American soldiers in Vietnam. The series was based upon the Tiger Force which operated for several months in the Central Highlands of Vietnam.] [http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Category=SRTIGERFORCE] (http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Category=SRTIGERFORCE)

Bob Hildreth

"I served with John Kerry. John Kerry cannot be trusted."
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Bob Hildreth was NOT a crewmate of John Kerry's

But Jim Wasser Was:

"If John Kerry came to us and said he had one more mission and we're going to hell, he'd have a full crew" -- Jim Wasser [Dallas Morning News, 7/29/04]

.....why dont u just go suck Kerry's dick.....so much time on ur hands....i hope u copyed and pasted that from some1 elses post....if not then u NEED a life.

does it offend you that Spets has the capacity to see through this obvious defamation of a decent man's name?

i guess it's ok that you got mad, i know you were just looking for something to hold onto until the elections ;)

um, why don't you follow through with what you say, or propose a cohesive counter argument?

The site that this thread is about is saying what I have heard many other places saying about kerry for some time now (around the time I found out he was running for prez) Thats why i didnt want him to begin with. This site is not the only place i have heard this info from. Infact.. I seem to remeber that one of his purple hearts came from a snake bite.

Anbd with those 3 minor injuries that he got.. He could have staying in the Vietan War for more then 4 months i mean come on.. 4 month.. one of witch was in training. If He realy wanted to defend his country like he said he was doing.. then he should have stayed.. atleast til he got a more serius injury or made a full tour of duty and got rotated out.

well if you believe he is a liar you have two choices:

a president who served his country but lied about it
a president who did not serve his country and lied about it

or.. you have a 3rd party (independant runner)

aka no chance in hell. i mean you could vote for them, sure, but you really wanna vote for someone who has a chance, so you might as well vote for the better man, instead of the classic dumbass lying screw up, don't you think? i still lose sleep over what a hole we've gotten ourselves into. i could go down to the local pub and pull the first drunken fool stumbling around out and name him the new George W. Bush. does this not scare you?

I will not vote for someone i dont like ...even If they might be better the the other guy...... So If i find I like a 3rd party canadate batter then these 2.... well...... They get my vote.... you never know.

well i'm glad you understand that bush isn't fit for presidency, usually heat on kerry only comes from people who support bush. i admit, i support kerry and i absolutely despise bush, but the shit i talk is real. so yeah, this whole commercial is kind of a toss up when it comes to who to believe, but i lean towards kerry just because anything to do with bush has lost all credibility, and everything to do with his presidency is just saturated with lies. no chance in gaining any kind of support from me. so yes harvey, i respect your position, but if i could convince you, i would ask you to vote for kerry, because it is imperitive that we get bush out of office before even more goes wrong. i'm going to register soon so i can vote after my birthday.

Nothings going to swing my vote.  I will not be voting for Bush.

     Just remember, a vote for a 3rd-party candidate is a vote for Bush.

     In other news, Kerry is a lying scumbag? OMFGBBQ NO WAY I THOUGHT PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES WERE SELECTED FOR HONESTY AND UPRIGHTNESS don't be a fucktard, politicians are all lying scumbags, and when Kerry gets elected it'll be business as usual. The difference will be that Kerry just wants to screw up the country normally instead of the way Bush wants to screw it up, which involves making every militant and/or nuclear-armed country in the world very very angry at us. Of the two, I prefer the screwup where my skin doesn't melt.

So...a friend just sent me this link...fits right in with pissing just about everybody off...including sovereign enteties!...  http://www.majorityreportradio.com/weblog/archives/Bush%20-%20Tribal%20Sovereignty.mp3

Aw gee, where's the fun in that?

And thinking like that is why we are stuck with a two party system.  Go Lee.Harvey.

If a 3rd party could come up with a viable candidate then by all means vote I would for them, however this election is too fucking important to fart away my vote. It either going to be Bush or Kerry and no one else has a chance in fuck to win. If fucktard Bush steals the election again, he will be able to appoint up to 4 more supreme court justices that will make Justice Scalia look like a liberal, if that happens say good bye to last 100 hundred years of human progression in civil rights, environmental protections and foreign policy.

Vote for Mike Badnarik - Libertarian candidate for president!

Oh and the swift vets, well, why is kerry suing them, and trying to keep it all quiet? If it isn't true, then maybe he should be acknowledging it in public? Lawyers just make him look guilty. I'd like to see the truth - the swift vets fired back with what looks to be a deeply researched legal document themselves ->http://www.swiftvets.com/article.php?story=20040808144320243 (http://www.swiftvets.com/article.php?story=20040808144320243)

Why doesn't the kerry campaign release his military records and allow the truth to come out - after all, if he isn't lying, what does he have to be afraid of?

And wheres the media on this? I seem to remember that when there was a tiny question about Bush's service (and the records that bush released proved that there was no grounds for an 'AWOL' charge at all)  the media was leading the newscasts with it - but where are they now - these are serious charges with serious consequences for Mr. Kerry - why aren't they releasing the records to prove - for example - that he WAS in cambodia as he claims? That he did receive enemy fire - and not inflict the wounds upon himself?

Mr. Kerry chose to make his abbreviated service in Vietnam a cornerstone of his campaign - I don't see why we should just take his word for it!

at least Bush's lies on Iraq did teach you a lesson !

What about the word of the crew who served with him on his boat, or the word of the man who nominated him for the silver star? Are they all liars as well? All this boils down to is a man who stepped foot in southeast asia and a man who got a pass because of family ties, I think thats a pretty powerful comparison regardless of circumstance. These attacks stem from the same powers that painted Max Cleland as un-American in the Georgia Senatorial race, MAX CLELAND LOST BOTH FUCKING LEGS AND ONE ARM IN VIETNAM, these people are sick fucks that will stoop to any low in order to maintain a firm hold on power. There has be media coverage, but the claims the senile veterans can't be proven so theres not much point mullnin it over.

And these veterans that support Kerry AREN'T senile then? Is that what you're saying? So clearly, just because Kerry went to vietnam we can absolve him of all responsibility of what he did afterward (meet with the communist N. Vietnamese in Paris twice, lie to congress, etc - did you know there is a bust of him in Ho Chi Min city, as a hero of the communists?)

The issue is simply that Bush did not make his Guard service the center of his campaign - Kerry made his military service front and center - I want to know the truth.

And Iraq, can we just agree to disagree? It seems that the premises that I start with are different than many of yours, and the logical conclusions reached are different, and we'll never agree.

What instantly discredits the validity of the the so-called Swift Boats for Truth accusations is that not a single one of them served with Kerry. Each man who did serve with Kerry is on stage supporting him for president.

Additionally, political favorites like John McCain are in an uproar over their bullshit. We all know that Kerry served, that he earned the medals he earned, and that those who fought side by side with him admire him.

The distinction between Bush's record during Veitnam and Kerry's are extreme. You can look at the very basic points: Bush didn't volunteer for combat, Kerry did. Bush didn't fire a shot in anger, Kerry did. Bush was never wounded, Kerry was. Bush was never decorated, Kerry was. Bush dissappeared for months, while Kerry fought.

Additionally, Bush has continued to dodge the issue of what he did while he disappeared and the records of his whereabouts along with other records that would clarfiy why he wasn't disciplined have disappeared. Kerry has laid his life on the table and is proud of his service.

It's the classic dirty tricks campaign that Bush is running. But when we sit down and study the facts we see that, man for man, Kerry is the better man, and he is the better patriot. Because while Bush was ditching service Kerry was fighting. While Bush was AWOL Kerry was wounded. While Bush was drummed out of the service Kerry was decorated.

It's as simple as that. One man did a man's job. The other man staid at home like the coward he was.

Oh, and here's how the wackos decided to treat McCain after he called them on their bullshit:

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39892 (http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39892)

"Americans are supposed to respect Sen. John McCain because he is a war hero. But is he? And why is he so determined to defend John Kerry's dishonorable activities during and after the Vietnam War?"

and

"Now let me begin by saying McCain suffered greatly during his five years of captivity in the "Hanoi Hilton." But his horrific experiences do not entitle him to stretch the truth about his captivity at the hands of North Vietnamese Communists, nor to deceive Americans about his bravery and heroism.

When the Navy pilot was shot down over a lake near Hanoi, his captors did not know who he was ? John McCain, son of the admiral in charge of the Pacific fleet. McCain was seriously injured in his ejection and in need of medical attention. In exchange for what passes as first-class care in Vietnam, McCain talked. He told the North Vietnamese about his father. He told them about the chain of command. He described himself as one of the "very best pilots" in the Navy.

Such behavior by a POW is strictly frowned upon in the Uniform Code of Military Justice and the military code of conduct."

Wow. I guess their must be something very wrong with the US NAVY. To big fat fucking lairs have been given medals and ultimately ended up being US Senators. AND they lie to cover each other's backs.

Here's my favorite:

"Worse yet, many years later, when both John McCain and John Kerry were serving in the U.S. Senate, they teamed up to betray the families of the POWs and MIAs in favor of sucking up to the murderous Communist Vietnamese regime."

Right. God, sometimes I wish there really was a Hell so that bastards like this would get their comeupance. I'm talking about the traitors McCain and Kerry, of course.

He did release them. You as such a silly rabbit.

http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john_kerry/military_records.html (http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john_kerry/military_records.html)

And here's a page that compares Bush's records vs Kerry's.

http://www.awolbush.com/kerry-vs-bush.asp (http://www.awolbush.com/kerry-vs-bush.asp)

gee, 3 purple hearts for Kerry !
... Ok, i didnt read the records, but since Jib Jab said, its gotta be true   lol

Plus i dont need anybody to tell me about Bush's abilities: the guy cant ride a bike or eat a pretzel without assistance, how can you expect him to fly a warplane or hold a gun lol