*DAMN R6 Forum

I'm sure the thumbs down icon I am sporting in this thread already gave you guys an idea of what I am going to say.  :)

OK ppl, I bought both these games this week and here are my reviews on it.  First, lemme give you guys my specs on my mac:

1.25 PB G4
2 GB RAM
ATI Radeon 9600 64 MB
HD @ 5400 rpm

First lets do BF1942 since its a quick one:

PROS:

-This game has a great concept of team play.  You can be in a jeep and yer clan mate driving military truck while pursuing yer enemy while yer manning the .50 cal, pretty great.  You can fly planes, drive jeeps,  drive and shoot tanks and play on yer own in FPS.  Like i said, great concept game.
-Also, I was watching TechTV last night and they had a top ten best FPS game on every platform (aside from Mac of course) and BF1942 was rated (from our gaming peers) as the best FPS (WWII) game on teh market.

CONS:

-I don't have any idea why it was rated #1, b/c I think CoD blows it right out of the water.  And CoD was rated 4th, come on!!  
-Granted that its a 3 year old game now, but the graphics stink and the sounds are disgustingly horrible.
-Peformance: not bad, just a little choppy

Now, for Black Hawk Down:

PROS:

-NONE!! DO NOT BUY IT!....unless, you have a G5 2.0, then MAYBE it will be better, but I wouldn't bet on it.

CONS:

-I can't even run it. I set my rez @ 640 x 480 (the lowest) and ALL my details/settings to LOW and I still CAN'T play it.  choppy as hell.  AND THIS IS ALL ON SP, just imagine how MP must be.
-Also, when I try the game out on Multiplayer you have to play through NovaWorld and their MP page u cant read. The type is all scrunched up, fuzzy, not legible at all. At first I thought it was b/c my rez was set to low for my mac, so I increased it to ALL the different rez settings and I still cannot read the page, where you have enter some kind of password, which by the way, the maual disappointingly doesnt even explain what it is or what to do.

Anway, you can tell I am very upset right now with Aspyr. How do they expect customers to play the game, when you cannot play it even at the lowest setting with a Mac that superseeds their minimum requirements; I mean, I just got BF1942 and I think that game sucks too with bad graphics and horrible sounds (granted that the game is 3 years old), but at least I can run the game and play it.

Rediculous.  >:(

Take Home message: Wait for the demo and try it out, otherwise, yer wasting yer coin!  

You should try and get that Multiplayer for BHD to work, I bet it'll run better.

Just send me your copy of BHD, Nomad.  I'm sure my G5 will run it just fine.   ;)

MP on BHD runs better then SP. This was one thing we noticed and could not explain during beta stages.

Alright, I will try the MP game play and report back.  But I still can't even read the damn page its so rediculous.

Anyway, does anyone know where I can DL the desert Combat mod for mac?

Gemini, was kind enought to send me the .dmg but it wouldnt mount, it gave me an error saying something like it couldn't read it.  I went to desertcombat.com and in their DL section there is no Mac version.  I did a search on google, found only 2 hits says the words DC Mac mod and went there and the site did not have a link to DL it from, at least not in plain view.

Anyone know where, please post the link, thanks.

I havnt played BHD, and as such i wont comment on it (aside from my 1Ghz, G4 laptop will not be running it)

But BF1942, as good as the teamplay -could- be, if you had a clan, it really isnt, from my perspective.

I mean, if you just join an average game, its like Unreal Tournement in the 1940's.  With absolutely -no- cooperation among team members, because nobody knows each other, typing and receiving messages in game is rediculous, and what it breaks down to is just jump in a vehicle if youre close and hope your driver doesnt suck.

Single player, as good as the individual missions may be, sucks.  This is because, lets say youre playing as the Axis powers, and you have a crushing victory at the end of every single mission.  You still end up fighting in Berlin and on Iwo Jima, even though you repelled the Allies at Omaha beach, swamped Wake Island, won the battle of Midway, and a slue of others, it doesnt make any difference as to how the game progresses.

In addition to this, the objectives for the levels are naive to the point of making me want to cry with boredom.  There are only two kinds of objectives/orders for single player.  "Head-on conquest" or "Assault, conquest"
Now, im pretty sure with just a little smidgen more of creativity the designers of the game could have come up with something better than that.  And i can bet that GhostSniper can tell us from first person experience that those are far from the only two kind of battlefield objectives youve got.

So, baring those things i just mentioned, its a great game. =P

One thing though, im not mad at Aspyr, because theyre porting the game, and even if the programmers thing its the stupidest concept in the world, they still have to adhere to the PC version of the game, so theyre kinda stuck with any flaws that are already built in.  So, whatever PC company made BF1942, sucks.

don't just accept the choppiness of your BHD copy. if you're above the requirements, there has to be something fucking it up. i was previously unable to get any framerate over 9 in americas army on my hurt up PC, but upon searching for graphics tweaks, i learned that i can up the amount of ram used on maps. so i checked it out and it was set to 64! i upped that by a shitload, and now the whole map loads pretty much in one go. anyway what i'm saying, there is always some obscure tweak that'll set things right. try some help boards, or looking through the file where the settings are (i dont know what these are, in pcs theyre INI files). i'll even search for you right now.

Ok, i was thinking the same thing, but I cannot find anything.  I have no idea what to do with the INI files anyway or "how to tweak", unless its a setting that i just have to (de)select.  Besides, there is nothing in the manual that discusses this, simply pathetic.

ok, I am even more pissed off.  I just tried to play MP online.  Firsst off, it takes forever (20min +) to register an account through Novaworld.com and the finally when I have my account ID and password selected and ready to go, I launched the game.

I click on MP, and again, that fucked up, scrunched up type that is totally illegible.  BUt, I can tell that there is 2 fields where you are supposed to enter in yer account ID and Password, so I did, hoping that the next page once I have gained access to the MP part of the game would show the type normal and legible.....NO LUCK!!!

I can't even read which team I'm on, which gun to pick, I can't even tell where I am on the list!!!! WHAT THE FUCK!!!  Now I am really pissed!!!  

I have 3 images that I took snap shots of, its just I don't know how to import them here to show you guys.  I found the icon for image, but how do I import them from my computer?

Anyway, I am fuming right now!!!!

I stand by every anti-BF 1942 remark I ever made on GR.

My PC buddy stands by the Battlefield genre. He played 1942 untill Vietnam came out and now that is all he can talk about. I will still buy 1942 and playing if for a few weeks Im sure will change your minds.

I just played about 20 minutes at Monte Cassino, 64 AI's, ( 32v32 ), max graphics settings, 1152x768 resolution. My high framerates were probably around 10, my lows were probably around 2.

On a more realistic note, playing 5v5, with medium graphics settings, I get 15-25 FPS, not nearly enough to make the game fun.

Perhaps a decent game for a G5 owner, but no one else.

hey guys since we're on topic of ww2 games and others...I need some opinion

I'm deciding whether to purchase:
Bf1942
CoD
MoH:Deluxe Edition

All 3 are 50 dollars.

:-)

one one one

That means that whoever ported BF1942 did a very bad job with it. The specs for BF 1942 on a PC are P3 800mhz and a 32MB graphics card. It is a very entertaining game, but it is unfortunate that you guys can't play it in all of its glory.

Aspyr never has had the best optimization.

You said it, CoD is the game you will want.

Agreed. MOH:AA is great, SH and BT suck. However, COD is the way to go.

MoH sucks compared to CoD.

Being that I kinda work for Aspyr, im gonna stand by them. First off, how the game "runs" on a mac is not the problem of Aspyr. Sure they ported, but when they recieve the game, that is what they have to work with. They arent building it from the ground up, they arent reprogramming, they are simply porting. During beta tests we sent massive amounts of emails about the framerate and they kept telling us how they would try to "tweak" the game, but that the FPS wouldnt change dramaticly due to the way it runs on a pc and the engine and programming of the game before Aspyr got to it. I do stand by the fact that i feel someone fucked up and that the games suck hard due to framerate problems, but dont automaticly blame Aspyr. Ive had chat after chat with them talking about how my gaming friends think the ports are shit due to low framerate and all they ever talk about are "what specs are their comps" and how its not their fault. I dunno who to believe but if you want to know how the game runs on my comp (Dual 867 G4, Geforce 4 Ti 128mb) before you buy then PLEASE go ahead, i will tell you how it runs on my comp. But dont come asking if it will run on urs. I dont know if it will or not but ill tell u how it runs on mine and u can compare. I still test games for Aspyr so just PM me and ill tell u what u wanna know, within reason. Oh yeah and if your debating on what game to buy between Bf1942, CoD, and BHD. I recommmed going with CoD due to its high framerate and fun gameplay.

Rebs, I absolutely agree, CoD is the  best choice of those 3 games.  Great fun, intense, realistic, great fps and graphics to boot.

However,  I must disagree with some statements about Aspyr and BHD, just bare with me for a secoond.  

First, I absolutely respect and appreciate the work Aspyr does, I'm glad that there is at least a company out there willing to bring games over to the mac, no matter how well or bad it may run on yer mac.  I understand that they are simply porting the game and not starting from ground up.

Now, having said that, whether or not its their fault of how the game performance ends up in the end is not the issue I have.  My issue is that, Aspyr puts out system requirements out for all games, just like any gaming company.  Knowing that, why would they state one set of system requirements across the board (general) for this specific game, if they must know, since they test their games with many different machines with different specs, that some computers (in my case a PB 1.25) may not be able to handle it?

The answer, b/c they know that if they didn't, and would be more specific (ie, which macs exactly) they would lose $ from those that don't have, say dual G5's.  Well, NO SHIT!! But at least, they would retain the respect and loyalty of customers who don't have a G5, if they infact would write a warning, that the game may not run well on specific computers, buy at own risk.

Basically, I feel a little cheated out of my money.  Not b/c it runs poor, but b/c I CAN'T run it at all (meaning the game is not even somewhat playable).   Not SP or MP, oh wait! what am I saying I can't even play MP b/c of the fucked up MP screen that is totally illegible, even though my mac specs superseeds THEIR stipulated system requirements.

You have to understand "somewhat" playable means, that although you may not enjoy the luxury of 100 fps as G5 users (or whomever) may get, but at least I can run the game.  Yes, maybe the graphics have to be set to low and maybe the resolution has to be set to the lowest, but at least I can get a frame rate where I can play that type of game.  In this case, its a 1st person shooter, so the objective is to kill or be killed and if it takes 10mins to get from A to B, which would normally take 10seconds, then there is definetly something wrong here.  And, at the very least, Aspyr should issue a warning to some customers.

Rebel, do you get my point? (not asked in a criticizing way)

Agreed Nomad.

Hmm, well the reviews of this are kinda odd cause we at Apple were lucky enough to be the first to beta test the BF 1942 in 20 player LAN games and it ran pretty damn well from what I was looking at.  Considering that I used a 15" 1 ghz Imac for one test, an 800 mhz Emac for the 2nd and a dual 2 gig G5 for the third.  We had gotten ahold of copies of the game with the Asypr reps hosting the games for us and we had no problems playing the game.  Granted on some of the slower machines we had to turn down the graphics settings but it is very odd that Nomad was experiencing that many issues with the game when we actually ran it on machines that were way slower then what he had, single processors, and still we had no issues.  Well, at that time there were still a lot of graphical glitches and on the 2nd release of the beta test before the testers actually got to try it there was a gun glitch.  Other then that the game ran prety damn good from what I have seen of it.  So I am under the assumption that there was something not set correctly on your computer there bro, cause I have had no issues with the game other then the graphical issues that we have already SS'ed and recorded at that time.  And I can also say that I had 12 tech agents and 6 other assorted Apple employees with me testing them out as well with little to no issues, including some bringing their own Powerbooks with 32mb graphics cards.  Talk about low end, but let's face it, the Imac and Emac I was using were also using the 32mb cards as well.  Again, little to no issues as long as the graphical settings were on low.  Personally I dont always speak up in this case when it comes to computer games but I think BF 1942 is a great job when it comes to the porting of the game and have seen much worse when it comes to games that other companies have put out.  Sure, there will be other glitches that will need to be fixed, but I always thought that they came out with the game a little too soon.  Anyway, that is that.  

:MoD:Saberian

Noms, i see your point, and hell i would feel cheated if i bought the new version of AA cause it runs like crap also.  But what you have to see is that those system requirements are what it takes to run the game, not play perfectly. Im running on a dual 867 which exceeds the requirements but it still runs like crap. Noms, to fix that MP screen, im pretty sure all u have to do is bump ur resolution to 800x600. Keep everything on low and turn off everything that shouldnt be on just bump ur res up a bit and that should fix the screen. Your res shouldnt really upset ur FPS i think but try bumping it and tell me what happens.

Rebel, there is truth that some ports have been done better than others. They Quake 3 engine (originally) was a better port than Unreal's (2003) engine. That's a ok example but I'm just trying to let you know that some times ports have lazy errors in them. ie:

Unreal 2003 Released - FPS between 60-90 on G5
Unreal 2003 Fixed via huge update- 200+ FPS on G5

That's the same computer. The person who ported the game went back and looked over how he did it, saw mistakes and fixed them. (Open AL was the problem in that case, along with a few other sloppy errors). Getting my point yet.

Myst, the quake engine in itself is awesome. CoD runs on Quake engine and so does SoF2. That is why they get high FpS. Games like RvS dont, same with BHD and BF9142.

<shakes head at rebel for talking to me like I don't know this>

The fact is that these games can't compare on a midrange machine to a PC version on a midrange. You could argue that they aren't similar in power , but they are. There are games that are optimized well in porting. Most aren't. Be it for speed or money, they need to work on such skills.

UT owns on high end machines, Quake owns on all machines, period.

For anyone with High End machines Unreal is much much better than Quake. Unreal is probably going to stay on top due to the beautiful integration of vehicles that Quake 4 seems to have no sign of. All that Quake 4 has running for it is Doom 3.

Im not a fan of vehicles.... so ill take Quake engine any day. Vechiles to me ruin the game....IE bf1942....had to make the maps bigger to support vehicles and it didnt make it any better in my mind. Didnt play the new UT but the only successful game that has used vehicles is Halo. Other then that...leave CoD with no vehicles and pwn.

Try Ut2k4. That's the best vehicle support in any game. There are weapons to take them down and it's even with their own advantages. Try it.

Rebs, go back and read my first post.  I already used all the different Rez settings, ALL of them, and no change.

Nomad, don't be so shocked. BHD isn't that good yet is so over done. You should trade it in for a equal game. i.e. CoD, UT2k4, MoH:BT, and so on. OR buy Max Payne 2 for console! HURRAH FOR PAYNE.

MoD Saberian, thanks for replying.  I think there was a misunderstanding on your part or perhaps I didn't explain myself well, my issue is not BF 1942, that game runs fine, definelty playable and can have fun, infact, now that I installed the Desert Combat mod, its even more fun and I find that it runs better and the graphics look much better and the sounds are more accurate to the weps being utilized; so the issue is not BF1942.

My problems are directed strictly to Black Hawk Down. However, although your suggestion was directed towards BF'42  (I think), I thought the same exact thing, that is has to be one of my settings on my end that I am either not selecting or need to deselect, I just don't know.  Can you help?

Also, if you or anyone else, want to see the SS's I took about the MP screen in BHD not being legible, send me an email to mpnomad@rogers.com with the subject heading, BHD Screen Shots, I will forward them to you.  Thanks guys.

Hey Myst, I know what you mean, but still doesn't change the way I feel about this game (BHD) and how its not working for me and I don't know why  :(.  I mean, if its ignorance on my part b/c its something I'm doing or not doing, I would be the first person to apologize for my comments towards Aspyr, but again, as I said before, I have nothing but respect for Aspyr and the opportunities they give to us Mac gamers.

Also, I already have CoD (as the thread indicates  ;)) and I don't really like MOH:BT and never really liked UT after MOH came out for Mac.

Come on you know you wanna try UT2k4. At least try the Demo. Onslaught owns.

OK, I admit, I did like UT when it first came out for mac ;D.   I liked it b/c there werent many FPS games out for mac then.  But I can't remember when this was or what version UT it was either.  

Anyway, can you give me the link, to DL the demo?  I may try it.  Also, I heard its like 4-6 gigs in size? how many cds/dvds does it come with in the box? (i know, do the math, too tired/lazy tonight)

It's 200MB.  You can DL it anywhere.

Oopps I just replied to this thread with a post meant for another thread, sorry  :)

I just got a copy of BHD, it runs very fine on my dual G4@1.42ghz with a Radeon 9700pro and 1.5GB ram.
I use 1024x768 rez and all settings on normal 4 MP.
Singleplayer runs fine with all settings on high too.

The QuakeIII engine is also over half a decade old, and from a technological standpoint is trumped soundly by Epic's Unreal Engine 2 (found in UT2003/2004 and derivatives like RvS).  It's not exactly surprising that it runs faster.  Not to say QIII-based games aren't pretty or making excellent use of what's available ? some of them are both ? but I wouldn't stack the QuakeIII engine higher than UE2 just because it achieves higher framerates...

But as far as the games go, CoD is teh 1337|\|355.

Oh, and if you haven't seen the video showing off Unreal Engine 3, go download it.  NOW.

Once again, good comment cobra. You said what I should have said.

Whats UE2?


Can you provide the link plz?

Epic's Unreal Engine 2

Best I could find was here: http://download.beyondunreal.com/fileworks.php/demos/unreal3_0002.wmv

Sorry for lame format.

.wmv... god i hate that. Surely there is a lovely Quicktime version floating around the net somwhere?

Good it BFG, Im too lazy, took me so long to find the wmv.

"per pixel lighting" holy shit, that owns.

That game will be very G5 only.

Hmm, I have a nice big QuickTime version of it on my harddrive, but I can't remember where I got it...hold on...

...OK, looks like you can get it here:
http://www.unrealxtreme.net/print.php?sid=132

Click on one of the bulleted links and download away.

Yes.  Yes it does.  Very much.
http://www.unrealtechnology.com/screens/p_beast.jpg (http://www.unrealtechnology.com/screens/p_beast.jpg)
http://www.unrealtechnology.com/screens/p_soldier.jpg (http://www.unrealtechnology.com/screens/p_soldier.jpg)
It's really exciting that this level of rendering detail is now possible in real-time.  Comparatively, UT2004 looks kinda like the comic book version  :)

Epic has an Unreal Engine 3 overview here, if you're insterested:
http://www.unrealtechnology.com/html/technology/ue30.shtml

Yep, but they're not expecting to wrap up development until 2006, so it looks like we've got some time to save up for a good machine before it is released.

Hrm, perhaps some time around then I'll have a new G5...

Dude, in about 10 days im getting a dual 2.5 G5. When I get that ill get BHD, and ill tell u how it runs.

BHd down is like Bloodrayne. No matter what the computer it will be unstable as fuck.

Jesus Christ those .jpgs of the characters and the lighting are unbelievable... just somthing else!

Well come 2006 everything will be that much better.

The graphics are amazing but I dont like the unrealistic nature of things.  Put that on a FPS WWII or RvS style type game, and I will soil my panties  ;D

Imagine the games this will spawn. Games Not even a G5 will master. Well at least not until I pick up a new graphics card...

Has anyone who got BF 1942 DL'd the new mods for it?  and I'm not talking about DC mod.  I just DL'd two new mods called:

1) Eve of Destruction
2) Desert Combat Extended

I haven't tried them yet, but I was curious if someone has so they can tell me how they like them?

Hey gents, I suppose this is probably the place to post my problem.

I have the Cyborg 3D gold usb joystick that i bought for the game f18 about 2 years ago and I figured it would work great with BF. I found out the hard way that the air is ruled by PC players that can use joysticks. My problem is that I cant finger out how to active the joystick in the options. Anyone else try to use a joystick yet and get it to work or have the same problems?

Anyways, I email Aspyr today about the problem and hopefully Ill hear from them in a few days and I will post the return mail here.

voods

Ya, let us know voods, I'd be interested to know the answer myself.  Btw, did u know about these other mods I'm talking about for BF '42?

I told everyone they would love CoD!!!! I'm so proud of myself heheh

In a few month's I'll be enjoying Call of Duty : United Offensive which will have CTF MP, tank battles MP, and dog fight SP... **JIZZES PANTS**

I have the same problem with the UT line of games. I really can't get a fix on how good graphics are when the game is totally unrealistic. There's nothing in real life to compare them to.

Fortunantely, like in the past, the engine is where they plan to make their money - not the game. Other games ( such as RvS with the UT 2003 engine ) will spark up.

My original mail to Support@Aspyr, and there response:


I dont suppose someone else has a different joystick and has it working?

For those who like BF '42 and CoD, might wanna take a look at my new thread in GG.

For those who have been following this thread, I have some new info about BHD that may explain or interest you.  I was reading on Macgamer reviews of this game last night and it explained that there have been other people reporting the same problem I had with the illegible MP screen.  They (Aspyr) found the problem.  

It is conflicting with 2 MS Office 2004 fonts, Arial and Monaco, which some how affects the screen.  I am unclear yet what has to be done tho, wherether to remove those fonts or w/e.  When I find out more, after contacting Aspyr, which I still haven't done, I will update.

I'm with you on this one Nomad, I have the game and have the same error.

Voodoo i use a Saitelk ST90 and i think Flies uses joystick, (not sure what make/model) both with no problems.

Voodoo, I have the same joystick. I can't comment on BF1942 compatibility, but that joystick has been a curse. it worked properly for about a month then it wouldn't calibrate right or work with everything it use to. I'd say it's a safe bet to look into the others on the market. Read customer reviews and such.

OK, people, I have called Aspyr and they explained what exactly I have to do to fix this problem with BHD regarding the MP screen tiny text.

As I said in my last post, it deals with 2 fonts, Arial & Monaco.  What you have to do is, go to your Applications folder and then launch your Font Book.  In there search for ALL Arial & Monaco fonts and select each one and then go to your Edit menu and select Resolve Duplicate.  This should fix the problem, it did for me and I just finished playing 10min of MP BHD.  And if you ask me how it was, 1 word = YUCK!

The game was a little more smoother, but thats whith EVERYTHING on Low.  It was still choppy tho for most players taste.  And worst of all, aside from the graphics and sound, which btw, Macgamer (I think or else its IMG) rates the sound as excellent, that reviewer must be on Crack, the unis are so damn similar I didn't know who I was shooting, friend or foe, and in those 10min of playing, I dont even know if I killed anyone or where/how I got killed from.

IMO, don't waste yer $.....I don't even like BF 1942 that much, however, after installing DC mod, its smoother and I do like it better, and I would definetly buy this game over BHD.

Nomad, the reviews at those mac game sites are completely lost in the need for sponsorship. They won't give you a honest review ever. I mean the average for any game reviewed on IMG is like 8-9. So in conclusion you are saying you hate both games but BF1942 you hate less?

Exactly, b/c of the mod Myst.  :)  I have always liked the theme of being able to interact with all sorts of vehicles and weapons, but someone should make a newer game with a better engine and graphics and that game would kick ass.

I was talking to my old PC MOHaa clan about their rigs for BF1942 and saw some pics and was amazed. They had there keyboard along with mouse and joystick and they just switched whenever they used different things. I dunno how you guys can do it. Im just gonna stick with CoD and keep my feet on the ground where God intended them to be.

I donno, there are moments in CoD when you are landing via parachute. :D

Bah!

Talking about the new game engines, has anyone mentioned the new MedalofHonor Tech engine, being used in yet another MoH expansion called Pacific Assault.  The engine seems to be up there with Doom 3 and maybe Unreal 3 engine.

Just out of curiosity, am I the only one who thinks UE3 (Unreal engine 3) will be out before 2006? They seem like they are far along in it and I just don't see how it's going to take so long... Then again I've never developed a game engine... :-X

My god, I just watched that video and it's incredible. An environment with that much detail that is completely interactable? Just amazing.