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Title: I am Un-American.
Post by: alaric on July 01, 2004, 08:31:10 pm
After reading the following article, I have come to the conclusion that I am Un-American.

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I Should Not Be Allowed To Say The Following Things About America

By Ellen Dunst

As Americans, we have a right to question our government and its actions. However, while there is a time to criticize, there is also a time to follow in complacent silence. And that time is now.

It's one thing to question our leaders in the days leading up to a war. But it is another thing entirely to do it during the occupation of a country. Once the blood of young men starts to spill, it is our duty as citizens not to challenge those responsible for spilling that blood. We must remove the boxing gloves and put on the kid gloves. That is why, in this moment of crisis, I should not be allowed to say the following things about America:

Why do we purport to be fighting in the name of liberating the Iraqi people when we have no interest in violations of human rights?as evidenced by our habit of looking the other way when they occur in China, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Syria, Burma, Libya, and countless other countries? Why, of all the brutal regimes that regularly violate human rights, do we only intervene militarily in Iraq? Because the violation of human rights is not our true interest here. We just say it is as a convenient means of manipulating world opinion and making our cause seem more just.

That is exactly the sort of thing I should not say right now.

This also is not the time to ask whether diplomacy was ever given a chance. Or why, for the last 10 years, Iraq has been our sworn archenemy, when during the 15 years preceding it we traded freely in armaments and military aircraft with the evil and despotic Saddam Hussein. This is the kind of question that, while utterly valid, should not be posed right now.

And I certainly will not point out our rapid loss of interest in the establishment of democracy in Afghanistan once our fighting in that country was over. We sure got out of that place in a hurry once it became clear that the problems were too complex to solve with cruise missiles.

That sort of remark will simply have to wait until our boys are safely back home.

Here's another question I won't ask right now: Could this entire situation have been avoided in the early 1990s had then-U.S. ambassador to Iraq April Glaspie not been given sub rosa instructions by the Bush Administration to soft-pedal a cruel dictator? Such a question would be tantamount to sedition while our country engages in bloody conflict. Just think how hurtful that would be to our military morale. I know I couldn't fight a war knowing that was the talk back home.

Is this, then, the appropriate time for me to ask if Operation Iraqi Freedom is an elaborate double-blind, sleight-of-hand misdirection ploy to con us out of inconvenient civil rights through Patriot Acts I and II? Should I wonder whether this war is just a means of distracting the country while its economy bucks and lurches toward the brink of a full-blown depression? No and no.

True patriots know that a price of freedom is periodic submission to the will of our leaders?especially when the liberties granted us by the Constitution are at stake. What good is our right to free speech if our soldiers are too demoralized to defend that right, thanks to disparaging remarks made about their commander-in-chief by the Dixie Chicks?

When the Founding Fathers authored the Constitution that sets forth our nation's guiding principles, they made certain to guarantee us individual rights and freedoms. How dare we selfishly lay claim to those liberties at the very moment when our nation is in crisis, when it needs us to be our most selfless? We shame the memory of Thomas Jefferson by daring to mention President Bush's outright lies about satellite photos that supposedly prove Iraq is developing nuclear weapons.

At this difficult time, President Bush needs my support. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld needs my support. Vice-President Dick Cheney needs my support. It is not my function as a citizen in a participatory democracy to question our leaders. And to exercise my constitutional right?nay, duty?to do so would be un-American.
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Title: Re:I am Un-American.
Post by: theweakspot on July 01, 2004, 08:39:31 pm
Sounds to me like the article is being satyrical.  It was meant to provoke thought and not to convince people of being un-american.  Some good stuff.  Thanks.


Title: Re:I am Un-American.
Post by: seth on July 01, 2004, 09:38:27 pm

 It is not my function as a citizen in a participatory democracy to question our leaders. And to exercise my constitutional right?nay, duty?to do so would be un-American.
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definitely satyrical !


Title: Re:I am Un-American.
Post by: BTs_Mysterio on July 01, 2004, 10:47:37 pm
Interesting article. Not much more to say.


Title: Re:I am Un-American.
Post by: BFG on July 02, 2004, 12:46:10 am
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True patriots know that a price of freedom is periodic submission to the will of our leaders?especially when the liberties granted us by the Constitution are at stake. What good is our right to free speech if our soldiers are too demoralized to defend that right, thanks to disparaging remarks made about their commander-in-chief by the Dixie Chicks?

**Wonders what Ghostsniper would say about that**


Title: Re:I am Un-American.
Post by: BTs_GhostSniper on July 02, 2004, 02:37:53 am
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True patriots know that a price of freedom is periodic submission to the will of our leaders?especially when the liberties granted us by the Constitution are at stake. What good is our right to free speech if our soldiers are too demoralized to defend that right, thanks to disparaging remarks made about their commander-in-chief by the Dixie Chicks?
**Wonders what Ghostsniper would say about that**

None of the troops I have talked with are demorilized by what the Dixie Chicks say about Bush.  Although most of them would like to know that the American people are behind them and their President, as long as they know the American people support the troops is what is really important to them.  As for this article, it's a little too sarcastic for my tastes.[/size]


Title: Re:I am Un-American.
Post by: Mr. Lothario on July 02, 2004, 03:01:51 am
     I beg to differ. That article is just satirical enough for my tastes. I don't know who that woman is, but I want to give her a big sloppy kiss for displaying that much skill at assing.


Title: Re:I am Un-American.
Post by: BTs_Mysterio on July 02, 2004, 03:21:34 am
Objection on the grounds this woman may look like a man.


Title: Re:I am Un-American.
Post by: BTs_GhostSniper on July 02, 2004, 03:22:00 am
    I beg to differ. That article is just satirical enough for my tastes. I don't know who that woman is, but I want to give her a big sloppy kiss for displaying that much skill at assing.

She would probably sue you for kissing her because she is some left-wing liberal lesbian.[/size]


Title: Re:I am Un-American.
Post by: Mr. Lothario on July 02, 2004, 05:02:57 am
     Better than being shot by a frigid right-wing conservative bitch.


Title: Re:I am Un-American.
Post by: BTs_Mysterio on July 02, 2004, 05:38:12 am
OUCH!


Title: Re:I am Un-American.
Post by: alaric on July 02, 2004, 08:10:21 am
I seriously doubt she's a woman. Or even a real person for that matter. This story is from The Onion. I just thought I'd post it here without a source to see if anyone would take it seriously. Guess not. Damn. Oh well.

Link to the story on the onion's site. (http://www.theonion.com/opinion/index.php?issue=4026)


Title: Re:I am Un-American.
Post by: BFG on July 02, 2004, 12:56:13 pm
  :o omg myst you were right! She DOES look look like a man!!!  :o


Title: Re:I am Un-American.
Post by: BTs_Mysterio on July 02, 2004, 04:12:33 pm
I know BFG, I am brilliant.


Title: Re:I am Un-American.
Post by: seth on July 02, 2004, 05:16:50 pm
 :o omg myst you were right! She DOES look look like a man!!!  :o

next to a white chicks advertisement, its funny .


Title: Re:I am Un-American.
Post by: BTs_Mysterio on July 02, 2004, 05:33:19 pm
Tis funny, but not funny enough.