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Well as some of you can notice, I don't really play RvS that much anymore. I got board of all my other games yesterday and started to play again. First game I am in Daf Lep Messiah is running up and down roof tops shooting everyone. Then today I join a game, was good for about 15 minutes till Daf Lep Messiah and Mad Myth are under the moutain on moutain high way. I just don't know where this game is going. It isn't even fun anymore. The way to get better is to play, not cheat like you douche's are doing.

It's not a contained problem. The more games I play the more I notice people simply using cheap tactics in Camping. I never have run into serious glitchers because I would simply make sure they were banned from my server. It's the things like camping the stairs to upstairs in CSL with claymores hidden somewhere which pisses me off. When people play to either fuck around or just to win they need to go and, to quote GS, fuck themselves.

Amen, brother.[/size]

Myst like this:
(http://idisk.mac.com/Fiddy/Public/Snapshot 3.jpg)
(http://idisk.mac.com/Fiddy/Public/Snapshot 8.jpg)

Well, both of those guys won't be welcome on my server. Perhaps other hosts should also take steps against problem causers in the community.

Okay, that is fucking lame, and I apologize on the behalf on Daf. Other lame things include: going outside the map on Garage and sniping. Or any other glitches. As someone who holds a perhaps unnatural fondness of camping, I'd say that it is a tactic. You don't like those claymores, nade the hell out of the areas that you think they are. Snipe the room, wait the person out. If you know someones in there, it doesnt mean you have to oblige them and rush in like a douche.

I remember when camping with C4 was considered quite skillful back in the days of RS. Ahh, how I miss those days. Messing with flashbangs and smoke grenades and such. Good times. Brings a warmspot right 'cross my heart.

I havent played Raven Shield in a long long long time, but I remember what fun camping could be...that is to say setting up a claymore and a c4 charge in the hallways of the penthouse - killed first wave and second wave who thought that they were clear. Of course after both charges were blown, you and a wingman would storm the stairs and clear out the rest.  ;D

hadnt even thought about that, and godamn im doing it.

Someone does that on your server, perma ban them and tell every damn person you can so they can perma ban them too.. Sooner or later people might stop being retarded and actually play for the fun rather than winning at any cost and destroying the game for everyone else.

Wow, im such a n00b to RvS again, have only seen one glitch, and thats getting ontop of the roof(s) on the one map....not peak, but the small snowy town.

Bah, fuck glitchers =P  Camping, thats absurd in this game, ive tried to camp people out and i get pwned.  Mebe i suck, but it seems like waiting for someone to come around a corner is uneven odds in the moving person's favor.  But oh well thats something else.  

Anyhow, cant we all just leave the glitching back with Ghost Recon? Please pretty please? No? Ok then...ILL OUT GLITCH YOU ALL BITCHES!!!! Just as soon as i figure out how...

well obviously you have to pick your camps. Chilling out at the spawn in Presidio is not a great camp. A c4 camp on streets is a good camp. Plus theres a difference between strategic and blatent camping. You hear some coming so you hide in a corner and shoot them is strategic. You chill out in a remote spot with c4 is blatent.

I've always hated C4 wars in RS. That was a waste of time. Setting up camps will never be tolerated by me when Im hosting. They get one chance to move farther than their stupid upstairs spawn or they are so booted. If people wanted to have Camp wars they can go play in their own servers.

the difference here is the style of camping. in RS you plopped your ass down right in one of the main lines of assault and blew the crap out of them. in RvS people are camping in the ass ends of the map forcing the other team to go running around looking for you to end the round. the first is acceptable, the second is not

Perhaps that is the most important point.

Brain hit it right on the head. At first, I'd consider a camper anyone who wasn't moving when they killed me. However, 6 months of RvS have made me a lot more tollerant than I was at RS.

I don't mind if you duck into a room, and keep your sights on the door, for, oh, 5-10 seconds. People watching out of rooms in the middle of maps doesn't bother me. It's the guys who are sitting at their spawn, waiting for you to come to them. Jumping into a room, letting someone pass, then popping them in the back of the head is good tactics, and the mark of a good player. Sitting at your spawn is just camping.

Dealing with campers and glitchers is the responsibility of hosts.

Those screen shots are plenty of evidence, in my opinion, it's the job of every host on GR to ban Messiah and Myth, that's how you get the message across; "You glitch, you don't play".

The most effective way I've found to deal with campers is a quick kick, like giving a yellow card to a player for diving early in a soccer game. It sends a message to everyone there.

"kick -MP5-Typhy Let this be a warning to all you campers"

Seeing that in big letters across the screen gets the message across.

Your eyes are seeming worse by the day GS. You using the zoom font features now?

Typhy that's brilliant.

Yeah, the normal size of the text on this forum is a little small for me.  It might be that I have the screen set to 1024x768 on my Apple 17" Flat Panal, but hey, I think sizing up to Size=2 or Size=3 just helps out when you are trying to make a point!  Oh, and if nobody noticed yet, I have picked the Color Navy at Size 2 to be my default Color and Font when posting on this forum.[/size]

My Resolution is 1280x1024 and I can read and see just fine.

Well, when you are 12 your eyes are much better than when you are in your 30's.[/size]   ;)

Get some glasses!

OUCH!

Get glasses old man.

I actually noticed that, I was playing RvS the other day after months of not playing and I was in Airport map (day) and I was looking through a teamates camera (as I was dead) and I saw that he was actually outside the map, and he could glitch thru the wall and shoot someone and sneak back out without being noticed.  I couldn't believe that shit.

You guy that do this are just making the game shit for EVERYONE, just play the damn game the way it was meant to be played, there is no greater rush when you get a kill and you know it was a fair tactical and sound strategic move on yer part.

As far as camping goes, many months back I started a thread on this very same topic, I thought since its obviously still an issue with RvS (or any other game for that matter), you might wanna take a trip down memory lane and read what was said in this  thread (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=5727;start=msg77685#msg77685).

So many cheats. And no cheat protection. We sent a letter to Aspyr about the MAC hacks and disabling them in future patches.

well its not realy a hack.... Its a glitch in the game,, Thye never realy did anything about the ones in GhR so how can we expect them to do them with the ones in RvS

You ban known glitchers. All hosts should do that.

I still see this shit day in and day out.

These aren't glitches Harvey. Actual cheats. Aimbots, wallhacks, etc. RvS needs PB.

They have hacks out that are undetectable. We need an anti cheat mod like we had in RS.

How depressing. What a fucked up community we're becoming. We're turning into a PC shit hole.

I don't think many people have hacks, but i am still hoping for PB in the next RvS update.

Fuck, i didnt even -KNOW- about these glitches, or that there were hacks at all for RvS.  Guess that shows how much i know, lol :P

Anyhow, i agree with what ppl have been saying above.  Just ban the glitchers/hackers, maybe give them a warning, or none at all, probably wouldnt make them stop either way.

A warning isn't worth the effort.

I agree Myst, just last night in AA I was accused of using aimbot by 5 differant people on 3 differant servers for getting too many kills with support from far away. Yes RvS scripting is becoming a large problem, extremely cheap as I know somebody who uses them.

If you know someone that uses them you need to tell us who they are so they can be dealt with accordingly.

If you give aid and comfort to terrorists, you are just as bad as the terrorists.   ;)

Don't worry, he was perma-banned as of a couple days ago.

Therefore if you kill a murderer you are just as bad as the muderer?

Couple of days? Was it Mr. Grey?

If you want proof of cheats in RvS im your man lol. I did alot of ut2003 coding. Alot of recent hacks used the technology and moded it. So in a way i learned alot from it, as for SS. I dont think i need to provide thoose. Inticipating cheating in one thing..

Rev if you know the engine why can't use that knowledge to make a anti cheat mod/program to help us block it.

Bah to whoever combined my thread... same subject but wrong discussion.

btw, this bitching about glitching whatever...is lame.

and those who continue to do it during serious games, you suck too.  

"this bitching about glitching whatever...is lame."

Are you trying to tell me that you don't want to stop glitching? You need to discuss a issue to make a point.

Perhaps instead of re-stating the problem over and over again, we should think of ways to deal with it, not in just average games, that can be dealt with by a ban, or whatever the host deems fit.  

CBing is the problem.  Without replays, or the ability to view the other team (understandable) we are pretty much reduced to a "he said, she said" kind of thing, in which flame wars truely prosper.  So...anybody have any ideas?  I mean, its pretty easy to say "he killed me and i think he's a cheating ****, ban him"  So..unless the moderators are working on something without us knowing, mebe we should start talking more about ways to deal with it in CBs, than just saying there is a problem.

there are probably some capable people in this community. Why not encourage one of them to write a anti cheat thingy?

I would be glad to offer anything I can do to help.

Yea, I'm sure we would all help to test it, just a matter of someone doing it.

My Athena Sword project had a anti-cheat app with it. Not sure if im starting up that again but i dont have time for these things. I need to start prioritizing my time. And lameranger isnt one of em. Got other stuff going on right now.

Well, if he can't, anyone who can?

Well in CB's there will be nothing we can do except get an anti-cheat mod like in RS. This would not be that hard, I don't think.

Come on.....

SOME ONE HAS TO KNOW THIS STUFF AS WELL AS REV!

I sense a person will arrive in 24hrs.

Ah, ill help point you in the right direction if any time frees up on my hands.

Ut2003 has punkbuster support.
Raven Shield uses the Ut2003 engine but does not have punkbuster.
Americas Army uses the ut2003 enigine and uses punkbuster.

See if i can lead you on the right path.

Well Rev, that tells me some things, but not how to directly do it!

So, although the thread has veered off towards cheat prevention, I have an example of camping which I would like to put out there.

So last night I'm playing on Myst's -Mp5- server, with mp5 vs. playing the prison map. I went down into the basement and got shot by typhy. So the next round I had a pretty good idea of where he was going to go. So I grabbed some c4 and placed it on the steps leading up to the green spawn. I was within the normal lines of attack, I wasn't in a remote corner of the map, and this wasnt a camp that was going to hold up the game. So typhy comes runnin' along, and of course I c4 him. Yay. Until I hear over netfone: anyone else who uses c4 gets booted. I begin to question the validity of allowing c4 and then booting for the use of it, and I get booted, and am not able to rejoin the server.

Now, I have a few problems with this.

First of all: be careful. If there's c4 allowed on the server, there's a chance that someone is going to use it, and where better than the stairs. So nade. And be careful.

Which brings me to my next point: If you don't like c4, why are you allowing it on the server? Its like a bank saying: we are going to leave the doors open, the vault open and all the safety deposit boxes wide open, but if you take anything, we'll still shoot the shit out of you. Myst stated that "c4 has other uses." So, now that I'm already booted from the server, and won't likely be playing on it again because of the additudes involved, I ask you myst: what are the other uses for c4?

 For starters, Spike, nothing personal, I just hate campers.

We didn't boot you for using the C4. We booted you for complaining about my warning for 5 minutes afterwards.

The reason that we don't have C4 restricted is because it doesn't HAVE to be used as a camper weapon.

So yes, sitting 12 feet from your spawn with C4/Claymore, whatever that thing was, is considered camping, and it's our job as server admins to do all that we can to discourage camping.


1.) When hitting a small room with multiple entrances, place a C4 at one door. Detonate that, it'll get the attention of the people in the room, you enter through the other door, and you catch them off guard.

2.) Place your C4 at a common sniping place, like the windows at the red insert at Prision. If at any point you take sniper fire from there, you're one click away from an easy kill.

3.) Set a block of C4 on stairs, or a hallway. If you can hear someone's footsteps following you, just run down the stairs, and detonate it. Not really practical, since you can do the same thing with a gun just as easy, but it's much funnier with C4.

Ok, there's 3 uses. Drop me a message if you want more.


And one thing that you need to know about FagSniper is that he has his head so far up his ass, it's incredible he can even read his massive font, which, I might add is unquestionably to compensate for his lack of size in other areas.   [/color]

Well I see tons of people bitching and I see no one doing anything.  I would love to do something but I have no idea what I could do.

Lets get some good ideas on how to fix the problem insted of shit like "o I was on this dudes server and he was gliching and I hate that ass hole." because yes that person may be an ass hole but by knowing that he gliched insn't going to help us and just banning every asshole isn't going to work.

Oh, and it's nice to see you too, GS, you dirty text color thief.

Okay, those are totally legit, and I understand. I still don't think I deserved a boot, but whatever.

Perhaps it was a bit harsh. Mostly it was intended to make a statement to the other players in the game.

Don't bitch about my rules on my server and you won't get booted. The moment you do something BS and then say you should just ban it is the moment I boot you. THAT SIMPLE.

IM SORRY FOR WHAT I HAVE DONE.. YES GLICHING SUCKS AND I WILL NOT DO IT AGAIN.  I"LL BE HONEST I THOUGHT IT WAS FUN TO FIND SOMETING NEW ABOUT A GAME BUT I USED IT IN THE WRONG WAY..I UNDERSTAND ALL OF YOU GUYS AND THE FRUSTATION.  I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT MAKING THE MATCHES FUN FOR SOME PEOPLE.  I REALIZE THAT WHAT I WAS DOING WAS WRONG AND I NO LONGER GLICH.  I AM SORRY GUYS.  TODAY -MP5- TYPHY TK'ED ME LIKE 3 TIMES....I KNEW I HAD IT COMING SO I TOOK THEM AND DID NOT PENTALIZE.  AGAIN IM SORRY GUYS ILL DO IT NO MORE.  ALSO I WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO DAF.  THEY ARE A GREAT CLAN AND I DONT WANT TO GIVE THEM A BAD NAME.

SORRY,
Daf|Leper||Messiah

TODAY -MP5- TYPHY TK'ED ME LIKE 3 TIMES....I KNEW I HAD IT COMING

Vigilante justice.... love it.

At least he had the balls to say sorry, and the brains not to try and deny it.

Apology accepted, just don't let it happen again.

I second the motion.

Um, can someone tell me what happened so I don't have to read that ALL CAPS bs?

Hey, come on guys. Less fighting over this stupid problem. Raven Shield's glitches would be fixed only in patches. I could as well as others change some of the vectors/polys to eliminate most of the glitches but then every1 would be downloading all of the RvS maps again. So glitch elimination is a bit hard. Now for servers who find glitchers.... just boot em. How un obvious is it? I could write a uscript so the host could view the other players too see if hes glitching but that would just lead into hacking. How "hacking" and "scripting" are the problems you guys should be complaining about and not some stupid wall-error.  If i have time ill write up a console block so when asked a SS of it during game will prove your not using a c-hack (which is the most popular cheat method) This should block all... wallhacks..retlocks..norecoil..enemycam..noflash...nogas... .50bullets ....chams and aimbots. If you guys really need these just let me know.

Rev, it's impossible to prove in a CB.

i was there with spike, typhy was just made he got killed so he made up an excuse like he always does.

51, you were there, and you after the game questioned it. I told you that he used C4 the last game to kill typhy and proceeded to be a ass by saying "If you don't like it ban it" (something like that). I don't like replies like that, and he was fine up until that point. I'm not going to inconvenience the whole group of people on my server just to deal with 1 simple problem like that.

After reading all this, I just can't imagine why I've never gone into an -MP5- Server.  Looks like a lot more hastle than it's worth.  I honestly don't know why anyone would even want to play with -MP5- for fun anymore.  They bring problems wherever they go.  Bah![/size]

I thought you took pride in owning Typhy, Ghost.

GS, there are few things that can get me pissed off in this stupid lil GR/DAMN community. Someone blindly insulting my server is one of them. My servers are a lot of fun to play on and I am always getting lots of good words form those who play on them. The reason you don't play on MP5 servers is because you don't play RvS! Stop sticking your head in your ass and if you have problems with Typhy take them up with him not MP5.

Wow its the random insult and bullshit thread!... Didn't know you play RvS Ghostsniper.....


Rev can u do that? i mean how much work would it take to really do somthing like that, whats the feasability of making what your talking about?...

Screenshots in ravenshield when in the console aren't the easiest things to do. Manual screenshots never turn out and chances are you have to be in game to take a RvS snapshot.

:( Why not play RvS on a few other good hosts? A few off the top of my head: Tical, Pyroman (MIA???), sar(good speed :) ) Occasional MP Server 2, and a few others

Ok, not a good host, I won't host. We'll see how well the others do. GS, all shreds of goodwill I have ever shown you can now be considered over. You had the chance to separate real enemies from those who would respect you and you have failed miserably in doing that. Now GS, now it's time for this to pick up. I won't be holding back senseless insults anymore because that seems to be the only thing you're going to be doing.

If GhostSniper had kids in the house  this would be the time that i thought a 12year old had logged on to his account and come post  in the forums....

I agree BFG, it is starting to sound like Snipey was GS's alter-ego.

You know, if i knew how, id load the biggest damn picture of a little animated Fire.gif i could find right now.

But trying to keep this on topic, does anybody have any idea on how to catch this and deal with it in CBs? Should i bring this up in the BL section? Or are we all waiting on Rev to save us?

Rev must save us! Right?

GLITCHERS MAY REV HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOUL!

ho ho ho.

To answer some peep's questions:

-MP5-Mysterio,


I doubt i can get Raven Shield to AutoDownLoad this since it only likes to download required files and not system modifications. But during a CB or suspection you can ask the user to take a SS (f12) i believe, to take a SS showing that the hack protection is on.

:MoD: BFG,

Rev can u do that? i mean how much work would it take to really do somthing like that, whats the feasability of making what your talking about?...

Various amounts of code work to fool the RvS engine to run .u-s it basicaly blocks a certin number of hacks which is outs. I hard doubt anyone is using any thing more advance unless you got them off my computer. It does take time, which is hard for me. Im doing alot of Traveling and its hard to do other projects stack'd on another so it would be nice to know if im missing anything or communities input. Now remember glitches arnt moving anywhere, but hackers are. Hacking i think is a waaay more serious problem then glitching will ever be. Not sure if *DAMN relilized it by know... I would be happy if leagues required it, i may be using it for future programs. Thoughts and suggestions are welcomed.

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