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??? ?I could say the following without blushing:? He is running against a man who was not fit for duty in 1968 and is not fit for duty today, a man who lacked the qualifications for the office when he was elected and has demonstrated it.? We have been through a skein of national disasters, for which he accepts no blame, because he literally doesn?t understand enough about the job to realize how a better President would have responded.? John Kerry has been in public life for 35 years..? He was a prosecutor when GWB was running an oil company into the ground.?? And he was already a seasoned United States Senator when GWB decided it was time to give up abusing substances.? JK has a sharper grasp of foreign policy, and more experience with it, than any candidate for President in the last 50 years, with the possible exception of GHWB (see today?s NYT).?? His dedication to the cause of our military and veterans is long established.? And his commitment to economic and social justice for all Americans cannot be doubted.? A man can?t be the committed liberal Bush sometimes maintains Kerry is, and also the unprincipled waffler.? Life and public service are complicated, as GWB doesn?t understand.? JK does.? He has a sense of nuance, and the experience and values to improve the life of the country.?

Excuse me while I go and fucking throw up![/b][/size]

Well played!  Way to show those liberals!

New Information Shows Bush Indecisive, Paranoid, Delusional
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4704.shtml (http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4704.shtml)

"Bush is an untreated ex-alcoholic with paranoid and megalomaniac tendencies."

?President Bush has not attended a single funeral - other than that of President Reagan. In my book I explore some possible reasons for that, whether or not it is "presidential". I am less interested in judging his behavior on political grounds than I am in thinking about its meaning both to him and to the rest of us,? Dr. Frank says. ?He has spent a lifetime of avoiding grief, starting with the death of his sister when he was 7 years old. His parents didn't help him with what must have been confusing and frightening feelings. He also has a history of evading responsibility and perhaps his not attending funerals has to do with not wanting to see the damage his policies have wrought.?

Um... I'm sorry, maybe I'm trying to use that damn thing called logic again, but...


If you're an EX-alcoholic, why do you need treatment? Doesn't "ex" mean "not anymore"?


Stupid logic! Why must you be so... stupid!!!

I think being untreated means you are more likely to experience relapses, where as one who has had professional help is more likely to remain clean...

Well until those "relapses," he's considered recovered.

Innocent until proven guilty, right?

Unless you're in Guantonimo or Abu Grhaib.

There is no such thing as an ex-alcoholic. Alcoholism is a life-long battle. The phrase they should have used is: "Recovering Alcoholic".

On a side note: that is kind of a cheap shot. The guy is a screwup in lots of areas but that's one place he's been able to get his life in order. No small feat either.

Why vote for either Kerry or Bush I think either of them would be bad in office for the next term...

I don't feel comfortable voting for a guy who spent 40% of his first term on vacation.

Hell yes Harvey, i dunno if Bush is gettin the job done but i SURE AS HELL know Kerry wont. Go green party!?

Bush had his shot. Now we know what hes worth: nothing.

ANYTHING BUT BUSH

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join the -NB04- group on GR

Perhaps Colin Powell should run. He seems a bit smarter than bush...and a lot more intimidating than Kerry....

http://www.johnkerryisadouchebagbutimvotingforhimanyway.com/ (http://www.johnkerryisadouchebagbutimvotingforhimanyway.com/)
'Nuff said.  ;D

Objection on the grounds that the URL for that site is worse than a Ghostsniper subject line.

Well, people don't really see the good in Bush and the bad in Kerry or other far left canidates. People accuse Bush of being AWOL which I'm pretty sure he wasn't, when Clinton was AWOL and at an American flag burning in London (there is picture proof that he was) and Kerry was a lousy pilot that did nothing heroic. Then he teamed up with Jane Fonda  and spreaded lies about the army and founded the "FTA movement" which stands for "Fuck The Army." They went all over the Vietcong area saying thier lives where meaningless and the cause they where fighting for was a fruad to de-moralize them so they would not be so eager to fight. Basically, they lowered soldier moral and performance and got many killed becuase of their movement.

We have to ask ourselves, who's worse.

A coward? Or someone who tried?

Bush being the coward who, thanks to his daddy, avoided war.

First, I hope you know Kerry was never a pilot, rather he served the navy on a swift boat in the MeKong Delta, where he earned a Silver Star, Bronze Star w/ Combat V, and three Purple Hearts. The whole Jane Fonda thing was a fabrication. John Kerry served his country in a war that turned out to be a horrible mistake, and came back to the states to speak out against it. In April 1971 when he was just 27 years old, he testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee where he asked, "How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?". If it was not for Kerry bringing atrocities that were real to light, the U.S. may have been engaged in Vietnam far longer than it was, possibly increasing the cost of the already incomprehensible 58,000 American soldiers killed and the 3 million plus dead Vietnamese civilians. While George W. Bush was snorting coke and getting drunk, John Kerry was fighting for something he believed in, and that alone is enough to win my vote(along with the fact that Kerry can utter an intelligible sentence with something more than a 6th grade vocabulary.).

I second the motion spetsnaz.

Well put, Spets. May our back patting continue.

It's shocking to me to see the myth of Bush compared against the reality of Kerry.

It's as if every Bush failure is seen as a moment of moral clarity; a turning point if you will. While every act of honor and heroism on the part of Kerry is an seen as an oppurtunity to attack, slander, and mislead.

It's no secret that Bush is an alcoholic. It's an open secret that he abused drugs. Neither is something I would use to disqualify him from office -- drugs are drugs and ppl overcome dependancy. But, where are the Rightist's slanders on his character? What, finding Jesus absolves you of your past flaws? Finding God excuses all your past evils?

Fuck, what then if Osama found Jesus? Would he be any less guilty?

People forget that Kerry has no scandles on back.

He's been open with America. He fought. He suffered. He then protested. Later, he moved on and up. Where is Kerry's great flaw? His evil? His dark past? WHERE?

What sort of man is Bush next to him? He's a coward. He's irresponsible. He refuses to acknowledge that life is complex, instead relying on a misguided view of Christ and Christianity to fill his empty moral character. Moral clarity does not come from God, it comes from you -- God and faith are just the filters through which your own morals are realized. Again, look at Osama to see a man who is Godly but not Goodly.

Well, I got word for you fundamentalists out there, you Bush appologists -- beleiving in God is not the same as acting for Good. Having Faith is not an excuse for incompetence. Nor is it a get out of jail free card in regards to your flaws or mistakes. We are all human, and Faith doesn't change that. Bad policy, whether you believe it to be good or not is still bad policy. A host of evil visited on our nation, an embarassment of mistakes, a war of agression, Constitutional pandering -- all of this is bad. Godly ppl don't kill. They turn the other cheek, right? Righteous indignation is a sign of a Proud man, not a Humble man who seeks to bring honor to his office. Packing the profiteering corporations with your political allies is not generousity -- it is Greed. Invading a country is not "doing unto others" -- it is wrong.

One cannot lay claim to the moral Right and do these things.

They're faith is hollow.

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Ummm Myst u fail to forget that John Kerry served in Vietnam, but once he arrived he did all he could to get three purple hearts so he could leave ASAP. Reports in magazines such as People and on the news reports about Kerry "Cut his finger and forced his officer to put in a recommendation for the medal". Basically what i just said can be summed up in one word. That word being P U S S Y .

No Rebel, the pussy is the guy who cried so he wouldn't have to go to fight...Bush.

Did anyone ever look up how he got these.. Its quite funny... It alot less then what its made out to be... Snke bit is one of them, Anothr is a bullet grazing him.. barley breaking the skin. And i know that one was bacialy awadered to himself... Sry for spelling mistkes... im a little high right now.. Green party all the way!!!

Well if he recieved purple hearts for those . . . that means many other people recieved purple hearts for the same reasons. He was'nt as large then as he is now (obviously) so many of the so they did'nt just hand em' over to him. So let's say we bash all people who got them self a purple heart.

A vote for the Greens is a vote for George W. Bush.

Green party has 8% of the vote in Canada... I will never vote for them.

Guys, the issue isn't the purple hearts. Getting shot don't make you a hero.

It's the two other medals -- Silver Star and Bronze Star with Combat V.

"The Silver Star is awarded to a person who, while serving in any capacity with the U.S. Army, is cited for gallantry in action against an enemy of the United States while engaged in military operations involving conflict with an opposing foreign force, or while serving with friendly foreign forces engaged in armed conflict against an opposing armed force in which the United States is not a belligerent party. The required gallantry, while of a lesser degree than that required for the Distinguished Service Cross, must nevertheless have been performed with marked distinction."

"The Bronze Star Medal is awarded to any person who, while serving in any capacity in or with the Army of the United States after 6 December 1941, distinguished himself or herself by heroic or meritorious achievement or service"

I think you can't really argue with those two awards.

Im sure the republicans could fabricate some story to explain them.

Heh. What's your point, GS? That your family didn't do shit to earn those medals? You shouldn't be proud of them for receiving them? Or, do they just not mean anything if a democrat was awarded them?

Hmmmm, using War medals that one earned in combat or using Religion for political gain. Im not gunna try to put words in God's mouth, but I think he looks at the latter as more deplorable. John Kerry used his medals to bring incomprehensible atrocities committed by his very country to light, while George W. Bush used his religion to steal the Presidency. The choices are simple this November, we can elect a President that fights for what he believes in or we can re-elect a half wit   who has never had to think for himself, much less fight for a cause.

I second that mellow, is he trying to say that those medals aren't worth anything. Is he forgetting bush never went to war? What is the deal GS?

When Kerry was talking about war, or against war should i say, he knew what he was talking about. Thats the main difference with Bush. Period.

No, I am saying that after the Vietnam War, John F'ing Kerry acted ashamed of his medals and threw them away at an anti-war rally.  So why should anybody care about them now, if he didn't respect them then?[/size]

You don't understand the symbolism GS.

No, I understand the symbolism all too well.  You see, I too have been awarded military decorations, both in peace and in war.  You will never convince someone like me that what he did was not the act of a traitor to this country.  And there are MILLIONS of American Veterans that feel the same way about John F'ing Kerry.[/size]

It was a symbolic gesture protesting what history would later confirm, that the Vietnam War was a horrific mistake. John Kerry had no respect for the Nixon administration, not the medals. The fact that he used his medals as a tool of protest against an unjust war, does not warrant forgetting about what history has told us.  

I believe he did that because he didn't think he was worthy of medals for such a terrible war.

My God!  You people really have been brainwashed!  Get the fuck out of school, drop out of college....all those places are doing is BRAINWASHING YOU!  Unbelievable!  From this day forward, I think I am going to home-school my daughter.  I refuse to let her go to the liberal school system and get brainwashed like this.[/size]

The point is that every one of those relatives is a better man than Bush. And so too John Kerry.

LOL, is all I can come up with right now. You could still send your daughter to Bob Jones University...

Us brainwashed!!!! HAUHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH look in the one mirror you keep in the house GS! That is brainwashed!

In other news Ronald P. Reagan had some interesting things to say tonight on Larry King...

KING: You said, dad was also a deeply unabashedly religious man, but he never made the mistake of wearing his faith on his sleeve to gain political advantage. Were you referring to the president?

REAGAN: You know, it's interesting.

KING: Everyone thought that.

REAGAN: I know. I wasn't watching TV much after I delivered the eulogy for a few days. But after a couple of days I started getting calls from people saying, boy you really stirred something up, didn't you? I thought, well, what? Well, you know, the stuff you said about Bush. I said, I didn't say anything about Bush, why would I mention George W. Bush in my father's eulogy?

No, no, no, no, the stuff about the religion. I thought, ha, funny, you then everybody thought I was talking about George W. Bush. And then I heard -- everybody thought I was talking about George -- but people connected with George W. Bush thought I was talking about George W. Bush. And then I began to think, maybe I was, I just didn't know it.

KING: Do you think he wears his religion on his sleeve? He certainly refers to it more than your father ever did.

REAGAN: Well, you know, there was that answer he gave to the question about, did you talk to your father about going into Iraq? No, I talked to a higher father, you know, the almighty. When you hear somebody justifying a war by citing the almighty, God, I get a little worried, frankly. The other guys do that a lot. Osama bin Laden's always talking about Allah, what Allah wants, that he's on his side. I think that's uncomfortable.

KING: Do you have thoughts on the war?

REAGAN: Sure, I have thoughts on the war.

KING: And what do you think?

REAGAN: And I think we lied our way into the war.

KING: You think it's a mistake?

REAGAN: Absolutely, a terrible mistake. Terrible foreign policy error. We didn't have to do it. It was optional. And we were lied to. The American public was lied to about WMD, the connection between Osama bin Laden and Saddam, which is virtually nonexistent except for fleeting contacts. But they're still trying to pull that one off now, Cheney and all are out there flogging that.

KING: Can I gather from that, that you will not support this president?

REAGAN: No, I won't.

KING: Will you support his opponent?

REAGAN: I will vote for whoever the viable candidate is who can defeat George W. Bush, yes.

KING: So, you might vote for Ralph Nader?

REAGAN: If he were a viable candidate I might.

KING: So the obviously you're going to vote -- what did you think your father would say, if he were here and listening to this?

REAGAN: I don't think he would have gone into Iraq. I think he would have been much more interested in going after Osama bin Laden, who after all planned the 9/11 transactions.

KING: Would he be mad at you for saying, I'm not going to vote for this Republican?

REAGAN: I can't imagine he would be. So long as I was telling the truth he'd be okay with that. And I am. So -- no, I don't think he'd be upset. Again, these are just my personal feelings you've asked, so I'll answer.

KING: You've answered.

REAGAN: I just think it's a terrible mistake. Terrible mistake.

Now, there's a Reagan I can support!

There is a saying... well kinda like saying which basically says has it ever occured to you that rather than everyone else being wrong and you soley being right, it might be the other way round?!

Kerry did not agree with he fact he was awarded medals for the war and his actions, and he used those medals to make his point, a traitor in what way exactly? i mean he did his "duty" unlike some who just got their dad to give them a cushy job at an air base and didn't even turn up ;)

http://newgrounds.com/portal/view/163322 This guy has done his homework. I looked into all of this and its backrounds. Every statment true to the last word to come from his mouth. I talked with him and he gave me all the sources and all were a .gov domain or politically filed.

Just like you looked into this statement and its background?

I second the posts of both Sixhits and Spetsnaz.

are you stupid enough not to realize that he isn't using them, his supportors are? lol i have never heard him say anything about his medals, only that he is a war vet. The public, his supporters use the medals dumbass.... what a dumbass **shakes head at another silly republican comment.**

That film was a masterpiece of innuendo and misdirection. 95% of what they said had nothing to do with Kerry, it was more about Jane Fonda than anything else. The reawakening of the old Red Dragon of yesteryear was a nice touch though. I found that particularly amusing.

In the end, it makes a lot of claims and implies a lot of things, but doesn't back up any of it. (Sounds kinda familar eh?) The way it's worded destroys any hope of it's objectivity and it comes off as just another piece of propaganda driven by politics, not a desire for the truth.

Yes and it was bullshit and was burnt in a ritual act of humiliation by the teacher who was disgusted at the bullshit that he had written.  All air and no concrete

How are school systems not supposed to be liberal when republicans bring the school funding way down and keep screwing the school systems?

Greatest team beat-down ever.