*DAMN R6 Forum

im sure some of you have seen this chain going around... ive recieved it again.. it reads:

> Sorry for the mass email, but I feel this is very important issue that not enough people are aware of.

> After reading this, please forward to anyone you think might be concerned. Also, type "S 89" or "HR 163" into Google and you'll come up with stuff from Congress' web page.
>
> Jason Frantz

> U.S Preparing for Military Draft in Spring 2005
>
> Pending legislation in the House and Senate
> (twin bills S 89 and HR 163) would time the
> program so the draft could begin at early as
> Spring 2005 -- conveniently just after the 2004
> presidential election! But the administration is
> quietly trying to get these bills passed NOW,
> so our action is needed immediately. Details
> and links follow.
>
> The Draft*
>
> $28 million has been added to the 2004
> Selective Service System (SSS) budget to
> prepare for a military draft that could start as
> early as June 15, 2005. SSS must report to
> Bush on March 31, 2005 that the system,
> which has lain dormant for decades, is ready
> for activation. Please see website:

> http://www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html

> to view the
> SSS Annual Performance Plan - Fiscal Year
> 2004.
>
> Though this is an unpopular
> election year topic, military experts and
> influential members of Congress are
> suggesting that if Rumsfeld's prediction of a
> "long, hard slog" in Iraq and Afghanistan [and
> a permanent state of war on "terrorism"]
> proves accurate, the U.S. may have no choice
> but to draft.
>
> Congress brought twin bills, S. 89 and H.R.
> 163 forward this year, entitled the Universal
> National Service Act of 2003, "To provide for
> the common defense by requiring that all
> young persons [age 18--26] in the United
> States, including women, perform a period of
> military service or a period of civilian service
> in furtherance of the national defense and
> homeland security, and for other purposes."
> These active bills currently sit in the
> Committee on Armed Services.
>
> Dodging the draft will! be more difficult than
> those from the Vietnam era remember.
> College and Canada will not be options. In
> December 2001, Canada and the US signed
> a "Smart Border Declaration," which could be
> used to keep would-be draft dodgers in.
> Signed by Canada's Minister of Foreign
> Affairs, John Manley, and US Homeland
> Security Director, Gov. Tom Ridge, the
> declaration involves a 30-point plan which
> implements, among other things, a "pre-
> clearance agreement" of people entering and
> departing each country. Reforms aimed at
> making the draft more equitable along gender
> and class lines also eliminates higher
> education as a shelter. Underclassmen
> would only be able to postpone service until
> the end of their cur-rent semester. Seniors
> would have until the end of the academic year.
>
> *This article by Adam Stutz is from the "What's
> Hot Off the Press" column of the newsletter of
> Project Censored, a media research ! group at
> Sonoma State University that tracks the news
> publishe d in independent journals and
> newsletters. From these, Project Censored
> compiles an annual list (more than 20 years
> running) of 25 news stories of social
> significance that have been overlooked,
> under-reported, or self-censored by the
> country's major national news media. The
> mission of Project Censored is "to educate
> people about the role of independent
> journalism in a democratic society and to tell
> The News That Didn't Make the News and
> why."
>
> "What's Hot Off the Press" includes student
> synopses of articles currently being
> investigated for inclusion in the next Project
> Censored report. For more info and/or to
> receive Project Censored's newsletter, go to
> http://www.projectcensored.org or email
> [censored]@sonoma.edu
>
>
> Don't beleive it yet? Go to

> http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/legislative/g_three_sections_with_teasers/legislative_home.htm and search for "S 89",
> then later search for "HR 163" where it says
> "By Number" and you'll find the articles. I
> would link you to the articles directly but that

> doesn't work for some reason.

go to the links. they check out. this isnt some rediculous rant about some distant effect of our current ignorance, this is NOW.

thats right boys AND girls, are you prepared to lay down your life in a completely unnecessary war? are you prepared to die for greedy bastards who dont know when enough is enough?

vote wisely.

You are crazy if you think there will be another draft.  It isn't going to happen.  Period.  End of story.

And by the way, just WHO are you?  A little afraid to show yourself?

i am hummer, and those are links to GOVERNMENT WEBSITES.

I'm assuming that this bill has not yet been passed, nor will it ever be passed.

If it does pass, God help us.

Looks like complete BS to me, but by 2005 maybe John Kerry will be president and the war will be over or something.

I would be prepared though.

Thank god up here in Canada we have the armies of moose and beaver to fight our wars........ yea.... we.. we have wars.....

follow the directions at the bottom of the email and read the bill for yourself. look at the URL. although it would be charactoristic of the current administration to lie to the very people who made its election possible, this does not look like BS. i suggest reading the article in its entirety instead of jumping to premature conclusions.

I find it hard to believe that it is total BS, mostly because of the .Gov on the link.  .Gov sites, especially the Senate's, dont seem to be the kind of sites that would be putting out exagerated information.

It's a bill proposed by, if I remember correctly, dems.

They're trying to make a point. One, Republicans are going to be unwilling to vote "patriotic" on this one. And two, this country needs a draft if we indeed to keep doing what we're doing.

Hell, what's going on with the G.I.s now and their required re-uping and extended deployments amounts to a draft. We just don't choose to think of it that way.

When suburban white kids start getting yanked out of college and sent to Iraq, then, then you will see what we saw in the lates 60's and early 70's. Chaos.

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=200 (http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=200)   Its all BS, there will be no draft, yet....

One bill is?HR 163 , whose principle sponsor is Democratic Rep. Charles Rangel of New York. It has 14 co-sponsors, all of them Democrats in a Congress controlled by Republicans. The bill?was dead on arrival: it?sits in?a House subcommittee with no hearings or votes?scheduled and no action expected

BAh J. Kerry does not need to be prez.. just as much as Bush needs to be prez.. everyone need to vote for an independant.

LMAO ;D

Or perhaps I'll just join the Mickey Mouse crowd out there . . . anybody know how many people voted Mickey Mouse for pres. last election? I forgot

I would write more if i could stop laughing.

Come on. what mentally sane person would even raise a finger for that retard?

Objection, that post was useless.

... why did you just look at me like that? No I wouldn't die for bush.

lol

You know, no one gives the Canadians enough credit. They've fought in heroicly in WWI and WWII. They stormed the beaches on D-Day, for example.

Today, while Canada's military is small, it's well equipt. More importantly, they deploy around the world in numerous peacekeeping missions. They joined us in invading Afgahnistan, where American's accidently bombed them. They use thier military with a conscious eye towards Right and Wrong - which is why you don't see Canadian's in Iraq. They know it's Wrong to be there. But, I expect, if the UN takes over administration we'll see the Canadians in there, fighting for world peace once again.

And Mysterio thanks you for knowing the truth...but we cannot speak of it. It's my duty as a Canadian to make fun of the military, Quebec, and the Government of Canada.

Well we love you guys over here, well i do anyway :D can't wait to visit your beautiful country and all  ;D

... And its allways a bonus to your allies not shooting and killing your own guys (im not pointing a fiinger south of your border honest ;) )

GARY NOLAN IN '04!  ;D

The Canadians were actually some of the best and toughest British troops during WWI.  Them and those crazy ass Australians & New Zealanders (ANZAC)

During the battle of Passcendale Ridge, a lead-up operation to the launching of the Battle of the Somme, the only troops to take and -hold- ground, were the Canadians and ANZAC regiments.  Unfortunately...they suffered almost 100% casualties in doing so...and in one fell swoop Haig, the British general, annihilated his elite infantry core, in a battle that ended up being more or less tactically insignificant.

My little historical rant.  

Oh by the way, fuck no i wouldnt die for Bush.  If he wins the election, and re-instates the draft, im not waiting for my draft notice to come, i know it will, im grade A-1 cannon fodder, im off to New Zealand.  As shameful as some of you *coughGScough* might think it is, im not dieing for someone who i absolutely despise and dont believe in.  If Kerry reinstates the draft, ill go, for two reasons, one, he has his head screwed on straight, and as far as i can tell if he reinstated the draft it would be as an absolutely last resort, and he wouldnt be happy about doing it, at all.  Second, and i think more importantly, he has seen combat, and seen men die, and killed people, face to face, and knows what he would be sending people into.

Plus by that time i hopefully will have gotten my stupid f**king knees fixed to the point where i can run more than two miles without being incapacitated for the week after.  (I hate bum knees)