*DAMN R6 Forum

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/06/05/reagan.health/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/06/05/reagan.health/index.html)

Just came back from outside his Bel-Air home...today is a very sad day for all Americans.

"Whether you agreed or disagreed with Ronald Reagan, you can't deny he was honest, fought hard for what he believed in, and had the courage of his convictions. He will be remembered as one of our finer presidents," Schumer said.

Thats a great quote...

I just updated the military tribute page I made for President Reagan several years ago:

Ronald W. Reagan (http://www.military.com/HomePage/UserCreatedTributePage/0,10980,714841,00.html)

He was the first President I ever voted for (in a mock election in grade school when I was 7 years old).

His White House Presidential Biography:

President Ronald Reagan (http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/rr40.html)

My Favorite Reagan Quote:

"My fellow Americans, I am pleased to tell you I just signed legislation which outlaws Russia forever. The bombing begins in five minutes."

-Ronald Reagan, Said during a radio microphone test, 1984


I will miss this great American who brought so much to the United States, our military, our national pride, and to the world when he aided the downfall of the Soviet Union.

You will be missed Mr. Reagan, you will be missed.

Only person who's gonna miss him over here i think will be the evil hag they also call "margarat Thatcher" the twisted bitch of a ex prime minister who did more damage to this country than can ever be measured.
May that bitch burn in hell and visit Regan asap. amen.

That's really pathetic BFG.....even for you.

lol. pathetic that i despise a woman who ripped this country to pieces? Pathetic i found the relationship between Thatcher and Regan disgusting and sickening?  pathetic i don't have anything great to say to the guy who said
"My fellow Americans, I am pleased to tell you I just signed legislation which outlaws Russia forever. The bombing begins in five minutes."  ?

Or pathetic that im not singing the praise of america.......

The thing is.. He might have said it.. but more then likely as a joke.. sence he was the prez who helped end the cold war between the USA and russia.

No, pathetic that you bad-mouth a man the day that he died.  That is really the low point in your existence, BFG.  That you would be so hateful on the day someone dies just because you didn't like his politics.

By the way, that quote is from a mic test before a radio broadcast, it just shows that the man had a sense of humor.  Kind of ironic that the Soviet Union did later fall much to his credit.

Damn dude, if you don't have anything nice to say about someone, at least don't say it the DAY THEY DIE!

Okay, now for Margaret Thatcher.....

Okay, now why do you dispise her so much?  What exactly is it about her that is so bad?

The part where she ended the Welfare State?  Sorry, but that is to be commended.  The part where she downsized government?  Again, sounds good to me.  The part where she supported America during the Persian Gulf War?  Don't see anything wrong there.  Oh, maybe the part where she made the world safer for capitalism?  Well, I tend to prefer capitalism.

But I think the real issue you have with her is that she was a CONSERVATIVE.  Well piss on you, BFG.  Conservatives make the world a better place.  So sorry you don't agree.

Peace.

-GhostSniper Out.

Never met the guy personally but sounds like a great guy.

Well, everyone dies eventually.

Now, be fair. Liberals have done just as much good in the world as Conservatives. It's not the politics that change the world for the better, it's the people in charge. I can think of plenty lousy conservative presidents, and plenty of lousy liberal presidents.

Yea, BFG, you suck!
I don't think highly of Reagan's record as pres either, but you're just being a prick.....
And Ghostsniper, saying that Reagan won the Cold War is for dunces...there was a little more to it than that.
Also, the British have a lot of good reasons to dislike Thatcher like the poll tax or the thing with the unions. Europe is'nt America and what think is a "good thing" or "commendable" in the US (though this is debatable too) might not be the best over there. Time and time again you have proven yourself not only uninformed , but also disdainful of the rest of the world....this is'nt any different.....[waits for diatribe about college degrees, military record, etc.] It's too bad that despite all those credentials, you still have'nt realized that you are so manipulated by the whole republican/democrat; conservative/liberal thing that you can't even discuss something rationally....

Even though he was the father of modern conservatism (which turned into neo-conservatism and is fooking this country up), he was a real uniter and proponent of freedom.

He was humble and courteous, not pompous and arrogant, and he could actually tell a joke. He was a master public speaker and very charismatic. He even started his political career as a Democrat, so there was hope for him. Basically he was everything W is not.

General Rule of thumb, you can criticize a dead politician 72 hours after they are in the ground.

Keep this thread on topic, that is the least you could do to respect a man who changed the world for the better.

Anyone going off topic in this thread for their own personal agendas will be given a forum warning.

woah, Sin...take a deep breath here.  warnings are a tad over the top.
however anyone taking the thread off topic will be aggressively moderated

-Brain

Quick quick try and kick your high horse up another gear im sure you can go just a bit faster.

Show me exactly where i had a go at Regan? You can't unless me saying i didn't think he would be particulaly missed over here is considered such an insult. As for thatcher Seeing as your not over hear i find it hard how you could consider yourself in a position to past judgement on it or my opinion. Im not insulting the guy, ok he's dead and im not singing his praise -  that dosn't change the damn world.


Great lets pull out the personal insults.

Maybe just the wrong place to vent of steam at Thatcher. I linked the two together at a bad time, and accepted with bad taste. However it was still my oppinion and that right here differs.

... Cue the forum warning

You better warn yourself then. Using your mod powers to silence dissent is worthy of a warning in my book. Falls under "using this thread for their own personal agendas" too. Tsk tsk.

As for Reagan, I have little doubt in my mind that he was a true patriot. He really believed in this country and the American way of life. I do not agree with many of the policies and actions he took during his presidency, but I have to respect that his heart was in the right place.

That right there is ALL I wanted to hear from you BFG.  I'm not there so I shouldn't have an opinion on your leaders.  I love it.  So don't you EVER talk about my President again because YOU are not over HERE!

[off topic]


You are a moron, if I wanted to use my mod powers to silence dissent in the forums, you wouldn't see most of the leftist propaganda that has appeared here of late. All I want people to do is stay on a fucking topic for once, regardless of what it might be...it really isn't that hard. If you want to talk about something else or steer a topic in a different direction, make a new fucking topic, it isn't that hard to do. [/off topic]

I am glad most people are showing their respects to the former president, but those who aren't should take a page out of the books of almost every other American and not talk shit about him. Spetsnaz pretty much has a grasp of the situation:

I for one will try to make it to SImi Valley to his Presidential library for a chance to see him laying in state, to pay respect to one of the better presidents of the 20th century. Regardless of your politics, you have to admire the man (no, I am not a neo-con or for that matter a full Republican...I tend to see myself as middle leaning right, which is pretty much like being a neo-con on these forums)

The title of the thread IS RIP Ronald Reagan....so I think a mod has the choice to delete or warn those that get out of line. It's always a different story when someone YOU respect dies. Put yourself in someone elses shoes before initiating diarhhea of the mouth.

I'm sure if it were Clinton who had died, his right-wing hate club would be very respectful and keep things on topic....


and sorry if I insulted you BFG, but you were being a prick....

They probably wouldn't Abe, but my reaction wouldn't be any different. This whole issue is about respect, while you may not agree with someone politically, ideologically, or personally, you ought to respect a fallen leader. Now the degree of respect a leader is afforded will obviously be different depending on who it is (ranging from lets say FDR to GWB in his current state), but that person should still praised for the rights that he did the country.

Maybe down the road, opponents of the fallen leader can begin their bashing, but shortly after they die is classless and tasteless.

I said. let me make this really clear GS so you can understand: Seeing as your not over hear i find it hard how you could consider yourself in a position to past judgement on it or my opinion The "My opinion" bit is the inportant bit there. I couldnt give a damn if your madly in love with Thatcher, but to just say i hate her for being a conservative, seems to show how little knowledge you have of her and what she did and how people regard her now in this country.

Why should i sing his praise? I don't regard him to be a great president, and him being alive or dead does not change what he did, and if people take deep offence that people do not sing his praise on a gaming forum then id suggest you go get some more fresh air.

Here's the only nice thing I can say about Reagan.

He looks like a liberal compared to Bush, W.

it's not about singing praise, it's about respect. it's sad to see such lack of morals with some people on this forum.

Hold on. so now your telling me its imoral to say that your not going to miss someones political presence? jesus its not like people are dancing on his grave or attacking him as a person.

no, it's completely fine to not miss someone's political presence, but saying shit like this is pretty low:


i would also quote from your 'jackass' thread, but it was fortunetly deleted already

Fortunate? Oh my mother fucking god. You think it's fortunate that was deleted? People like you don't deserve the freedom those men on D-Day fought for. Or the freedom men like Reagan fought for.

Do you even understand what freedom and democracy are? If you can't handle a difference of opinions you don't belong in this country (or in any free country for that matter). Get the fuck out already. Goddamn facist.

Ok this is almost gettting on the verge of comical now. Can i suggest before people post replys they actually read before trying to complain?

-Baz I do not like Magarat thatcher. perhaps if you were british you would understand why i despise her so strongly. May the bitch burn in hell. yes. i said it about her and i say it again. may she get just a taster just a tiny taste of the bloody suffering she caused. She and Regan were like to f*cking peas in a pod over some issues.

pretty low... pretty low... oh god.

Okay BFG, I am just about over hearing how Margaret Thatcher is a bitch and ruined your life.  Please start a new thread and tell us all what she has actually done that has destroyed your life so bad.  Because I kinda like her.  I don't mind hearing what you have to say on the subject, I really don't, but this thread is not the place for it.

Peace.

-GhostSniper Out.

alaric,
im not sure whether to take your post sarcastically or seriously, so i'll take it sarcastically because you completely missed the point of my previous post. i'd explain how, but am through wasting my time yet again on this forum...

The news is a buzz wih the false claims that Reagan was the most popular modern president. Ike, Johnson, JFK, Bush I, and Clinton top him for average approval. I bet that even Bush II will likely have a higher average approval that Reagan.

In a word, Reagan was nothing special.

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What is monumental is the icon that Reagan has become. He is the godfather - whether he'd approve or not - of the modern conservative movement. Too bad that means irresponsible fiscial policy and the wholesale abandonment of social services. And he'd likely be the first to scold Bush II for his go it alone foreign policy and his deliberate affronting of our allies.

Reagan was a masterful politician because the one thing he knew was people. And he knew that people can be reasoned with. He didn't blow up the USSR - he talked to them. He didn't allienate all of our western allies, he courted them. If there is one lesson to learn from Reagan's era - in my opinion the only lesson - it is that multilaterialism combined with engagement works.

Bush should take note the next time he lays claim to the Reagan legacy.

It's interesting. Reagan was almost impeached in '87 over Iran-Contra and yet many Republicans look to him as a "founding father" of sorts. I wonder if they could relate to how I feel about Clinton?

Great men are flawed men. Great leaders, even more so.

In any event, at the end of the day Reagan's legacy is peace. That's a good epitaph.

Oh, and Baz


Dude, he doesn't respect the same things as you. Oh well.

I can tell you this much: the day Bush W. dies I will be the first person in line to spit on his grave. How's that for respect? I mean, at least Reagan didn't strip us of our rights as Americans.

<sigh>

It seems very sad that someone might lock this thread, one in tribute to a great man such as Reagan, but shouldn't this be locked while it still retains some integrity?

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Turns out both Clinton and Carter are not invited to attend Reagan's State funeral - one paid for by tax dollars.

http://www.drudgereport.com/rr1.htm (http://www.drudgereport.com/rr1.htm)

It's not like the Republicans ran outa room or something.

Well, personally I believe that Nancy Reagan can invite whomever she wants to be there, or to speak.  But if it's any consolation to all you Democrats out there, when I die I'm not gonna want Clinton to speak at my funeral either.  ;)

Hmmm, you should read your own article.

Clinton is upset he is not invited to speak at the funeral, not because he is not invited.  It is actually written in the code for a state funeral that all past presidents can and should attend.

Besides this, it's just bitching.  From the list of speakers, there is only the current president speaking and non of the former presidents are.  Unless there are any changes there should really be no problem here.

I made the mistake of not reading the details clearly. Looks like I got sucked in my another Drudge headline. :(

Actually, from what I hear, Bush Sr. is going to eulogize Reagan. Turns out Thatcher is going to be there also, something that earlier was not expected.

All I'd like to point out is that Clinton and Carter both spoke at Nixon's funeral and each gave classy speeches. And they aren't invited to speak at Reagan's? No further proof needed that the Repubs are politicizing the death of Reagan. They sully his name with their ruthless manipulation of his death.

Well (spoken like Reagan would have said it), the only problem with your theory is that the REPUBLICANS are not running the show.  Nancy Reagan is.  And she can say who is invited, who gets to speak, and who gets to scratch their itch during the service.  End of story.

Let's see here.  Well first of all Nixon didn't have a state funeral. There is a lot of pomp and circumstance within these ceremonies and restraints put upon them.

I don't see why you think it's a Republican assault on democrats. Once again you political jargon is messing your head up.  Why would carter or clinton speak at the funeral?  Reagan beat carter and took his presidency away.  Clinton had nothing to do with Reagan other than beating his succesor.  Bush sr. I think would be expected to speak because he was the damn vice president during the presidency and little Bush is the current president.  That would explain why Clinton spoke at Nixon's funeral.  Carter spoke at Nixon's because this is the era in which Nixon did much of his great work as a diplomat.

Jesus, put the political shit to sleep and learn something first.  You make a mockery of facts and a possible education.

I can understand the RNC having a section on its page for Reagan http://www.rnc.org/ (http://www.rnc.org/), but http://www.georgebush.com (http://www.georgebush.com) took down the original entrance and put up a Reagan dedication. Is the W spin machine trying to capitalize on Reagan's death? Of course, its only logical. Will it carry into the election? Probably not.

Apparently bush decided on FIVE days of official mourning? Christ it sounds more like the king (or queen.... well if yo had one) were dead. Even then i don't think anyone (maybe china) would have 5 days of mourning.

It just seems totally blown out of proportion

Well technicaly the flags on gov buildings of the USA will fly at half staff for 30 day for 30 days of mourning...according to tradition

out of interest were there (and if so how many) days of mourning after the 11th September attacks  ?

The President ordered the Flag to be flown at half staff until September 22, 2001, after which we were no longer mourning, but were ready to fight.

President Dwight Eisenhower enacted a law in 1954 which spelled out when the Flag would be flown at half staff.  Among the times was at the death of a President or Former President, at which time the Flag would be flown at half staff for 30 days.  The President of the United States can also sign into law other dates or national tragedies at which the Flag can be flown at half staff.

Peace.

-GhostSniper Out.

After reading all of the far out theories and reasoning, I can only come to the conclusion that the GOP had reagan killed.  I mean, if you are right why wouldn't they have done it.  They preserved reagan in a vegetable state so that they could off him at a time when the GOP was in crisis.  What other time could that be other than now?  Bush's ratings are through the floor so they enacted article 54235.4352342.52432 (Pull the plug on Reagan to divert attention rule).  This must be it.

Thank you for exposing the truth.

- by any chance do most of you fear the secret black helicopters that come and take discreet farmers away as enemies of the state? Or do you fear your toaster is a government device used to spy on your daily movements in an effort to quell rebellion?

well you never know article 54235.4352342.52432 might be just so...

hell if its anything to go by look at article 8474.283.43345-343 "If we fuck up in Afganistan go find someone else like iraq to attack so peoples attention isn't on the fact we fucked up... again"

then we can pretend we have a [cough] sucessfull [cough] war on terror in progress and some great results to crow about!

Thing is, it's a state funeral.

I'm paying for it.

Nancy gets to have her private funeral at her discresion, but this one's for America.

And the Republicans clearly are policitizing Reagan's death. As was pointed out, just take a gander at Bush's election site. Additionally, Bush's campaign has been shipping thousands of letters across America telling mourners to visit his election site.

Then, we hear how the two surviving Dem ex-presidents are not going to speak at his state, publicly funded, mourning for all America funeral.

This one's for the People but all the people are not being represented. I am not going to sit quietly while the Republicans manipulate this event.

will you quit your fucking whining already? it's boring. and if your so fucking worried about YOUR tax dollars going toward this funeral...you should be happy clinton isn't speaking, he wouldn't do it for less than a half a mill.

If you think about it, it may be better that neither Clinton or Carter Speak at the funeral.  There's so much talk about how great Reagon was as president, why mix up people's opinions with classy cherishings from the left.  Reagon was the best speaker and impressionable leader that I've seen in my lifetime.  But his policies have set America back quite a bit.

Lastly to see Bush talk about Reagon as if they're of the same feather is a joke.  Let Bush shoot himself in the foot.  Bush can't talk respectfully about Reagan without rubbing an equal amount of respect for himself.  It's sickening.

I would rather see Clinton speak at a grand state funeral for Ray Charles.  How cool and rightful is that?

Just as long as Clinton doesn't try to play saxophone, Ray would come back alive to kick his ass, then rest in peace.

This article is exactly summarizes my feelings towards Reagan.

Reagan should be on a $3 bill (http://www.nynewsday.com/news/local/newyork/columnists/ny-nybres113845462jun11,0,5005058,print.column?coll=ny-ny-columnists)

He pretty much summed up my feelings about this sudden Reagan-cult.

"This man Reagan was 93 years old and out of it with Alzheimer's for many years and I don't see how anybody can summon grief. They proclaimed it a deep religious ceremony. Which it is not. His whole weeklong funeral is cheap, utterly distasteful American publicity.

The great American news industry, the Pekinese of the Press with so much room and time and nothing to say, compared Reagan to Lincoln and Hamilton, they really did. This is like claiming that the maintenance man wrote the Bill of Rights. And almost all the reporters agreed that Reagan was the man who brought down Russia in the Cold War.

Just saying this is absolutely sinful. The Cold War was won by a long memo written by George Kennan, who worked in the State Department and sent the memo by telegram about the need for a "Policy of Containment" on Russia. Kennan said the contradictions in their system would ruin them. Keep them where they are and they will tear themselves apart. We followed Kennan's policy for over 40 years. The Soviets made it worse on themselves by building a wall in East Berlin. When they had to tear it down and give up their system, Kennan was in Princeton and he sat down to dinner."

wow - and right.

Alaric....you are what, 19 years old?  That means you were 4 years old when this man LEFT office.  Well, while most of you on this forum grew up with Bill Clinton in the White House, I did not.  I grew up with Ronald Reagan in the White House, and I'm sick and tired of all of you revisionist historians who were shitting in your diapers (or weren't even born yet) telling me what I should think about a man that I know far better than any of you!

Fair enough, but I am quite a history buff. Especially when that history relates to US politics. From what I've learned and experienced I've found Reagan to be lacking. As I have found nearly every president since FDR to be lacking.

People of the time judge men by their personalities. History judges men by their actions. His actions were nothing special, in fact, they may have done more harm than good in the long run. Historically speaking, Reagan was by all accounts a nice guy, but he was not a good president.

Think what you will. Reagan was the only president I knew for the first eight years of my life - kinda like how some people's grandparents might remember FDR. Hell, the first 12 years of my life was under Republican rule. I loved it when we whooped Iraq the first time. Made sense to me, it was the way things ought to be done - we brought all the Good in the world to stop a Bad thing.

And I will always love Bush I for publicly denouncing Broccoli for the sinful vegetable that it is. I fucking pwnd my mother that night when she served that filth to me again.

But we'll never all agree about these men. I find the cult-like fawning over Reagan to be silly and the media-campaign demanding we build thousands of monuments to the legacy of the "most popular president ever and the man who ended the cold war", to carve his face into Mnt Rushmore or replace Hamilton on the ten dollar bill ... all those things I find offensive.

I mean, Clinton's administration presided over eight better years than Reagan. Better economic upswing. More personal liberty than ever before. The dawn of a democratic Russia. The expansion of NATO. Amazing leaps in technology. A world that was largely at peace. Shall I go on? Not that Reagan didn't do his own good things; just to frame the fact that there are others who have done good, as well.

I remember Reagan pretty clearly, but my stickiest memories of him are mixed. I remember him as the kind faced man with rosey cheeks who gave moving speaches. I remember the day my class first found out that ketchup was a vegetable. I remember the time when it was explained to me what nuclear war was and that it was Reagan who controled the fate of our world in his hands. And I remember him calling the Russian's "evil" and thinking the world was going to end. Pretty stern stuff. And I remember when the word "faggot" became a popular modifier on the school yard. AIDs was a mysterious, farcical disease that affected fags ... and then one of my teachers died from it. I remember seeing images of the Iran/Iraq war - one of my clearest memories - and finding out as I grew up that Reagan traded arms with Iranians AND sold WMDs to Iraq.

In the end, my view of him is as a useful man who's ultimate contribution to America was not destroying it. As I said before, Reagan should be remembered as a man who helped bring peace to the world. It's a fitting end to a complex man with a shady past and mixed presidency.

But he is no FDR. No Jefferson. No Lincoln. He is a little man compared to the giants of our past. Some say that the circumstances make the man, but for Reagan the man simply survived the circumstances.

in fact, I'd say much the same of Clinton, as much as I love him.

I guess the real difference between you and I is that I'm watching his funeral right now and there is not a dry eye in the house.  You are probably playing on GameRanger, or doing whatever it is you do.

Man, they are playing the Battle Hymn of the Republic for him.  That is my favorite song.  How fitting a tribute to a man who was loved by the military and so many other Americans.

God Bless You, Ronald Reagan.

I hate to admit it, but at times even Bush's speach moved me.

Love, in any form, is moving.

Would that have been monkey boy bush senior or junior ??

Apparenlty there wasn't any news in the rest of the world during the funeral. nothing happened. Or so our news networks seemed to think as they just sat with live feeds of the the proceedings....

That would be Bush the number 2. When a man loves a man, it's still love.

There would probably be a lot more people crying if he weren't 92 with alzheimers... his time had come.


Oh cmon BFG... don't be hatin' all the time ;)

There are even some aspects of W. that I respect.  He has strong beliefs, and he stands up for them.  Although I don't have the same views as him, I respect that.

But he is still a fag, so go ahead and call him a monkey if you want.

I'm sorry but just about every speach I've heard Bush give makes me think of him even more as an idiot. He truely has to be one of the worst public speaking presidents the United States has ever had. And BFG I think of him not as much a monkey as a weasel.

lol. weasel is good. I will have to scan in a couple of the great bush cartoons ive got done by steve bell though - once you have looked at them the reseblence with a retarded chimp is just well quite shocking!