*DAMN R6 Forum

(http://wwwi.reuters.com/images/2004-06-02T195221Z_01_WHT304D_RTRIDSP_2_BUSH.jpg)

Bush is like, "I just wanne be closer to him."

Gay.

And does anyone else think Bush looks like a modern-day Groucho Marx? What with the oversized pants and jacket?

six, ask the admins to make you a seperate forum, your over excessive bush bashing is starting to annoy us

Um no it isn't... Hold on i'll write a bit more in a second but im laughing to much..

... no not quite


... nearly


Ok. Haha! That has to be one of the best photo's i have seen in a while! Bush officially joins the YMCA! woot. Im glad he feels comfortable enough now to freely express his sexuality, and that he feels that the rebulican party is no longer as homaphobic previously thought and that he can therefore stand as the first extreamly camp president... ducky.

"No U Gay".... stop hiding behind your 'guest account' and Use your registered account or shut up.... and if your not registered then what would you know about what is annoying us?

People and their need to use collective terms like "us" when the vast majority, including myself, find this to be very funny. It's as simple as this:


If Bush didn't do stupid things, we couldn't make fun of them.

Hey, if it was Clinton you'd be posting all sorts of wacko shit. You and your like had eight years of fun and now it's the good guys turn to strike back.  ::)

lol like mysterio said, its your own damn fault for putting the monkey in charge of your country.

Now dance monkey dance!

And just to prove I'm not solely a Bush basher ...

http://czabe.com/audioclips/whyarabsthrowrocks.mpeg (http://czabe.com/audioclips/whyarabsthrowrocks.mpeg)

.... Your bashing arabs or just guys who havn't got a clue how to fire a gun?

Hahaha. Good find, good find. http://www.mooreorpig.com (http://www.mooreorpig.com)
There. To keep it even, mostly cuz I hate Michael Moore, almost as much as I hate Bush.  ;D They don't look similar at first, but then it becomes very obvious! Also, there's http://www.bushorchimp.com (http://www.bushorchimp.com) Have fun!

On that one, Arabs. Look at the A-Rab fly!!

Hence, the title, "why arabs throw rocks".

I found the link for bush or chimp.... but i couldn't find the pictures of bush??? just a whole page of chimps! :(


ps... i couldn't care whether michael more looked like beer shits on a friday night, i have a lot of respect for that guy and what he has done.

Where is this Michael Moore hatred coming from ?
Is he a mass murderer, child molester, warmonger .... ?
No, he's a filmmaker, that happens to dislike corporate america, and the role they  play in
"government discussions".
When I was in film-school I loved Roger and Me. A documentary about his hometown Flint, that was put on the map by General Motors in the 50 and 60 and left to rot by the same corporation during the 80 and 90.
TV nation was great. I still would like to thank the BBC to co-fund this excellent piece of Television.
I just love the fact that this sloppy overweight guy is changing the face of the US.

We, in  "socialist" Europe just looooooooooooove MICHAEL MOORE.

Twisting the facts and taking statements out of context only undermines your argument and hurts any cause he supports.

I agree with him on many points, but I still don't like how he operates. Michael Moore is a Liar. I don't like liars. Therefore, I don't like Michael Moore.

he's a liar?? when and where over what?

I also wonder what he's lied about... Bowling for Columbine had lies?

I would also like to know what he lied about.

Michael Moore is an artist not a journalist, its not his job to report the facts. All artists tell us lies in order to make us realize the truth.

hahahaha, WHAT?!

It's not really "truth" then, is it?

Not just a liar, he's a greedy bastard. He makes himself off to be a man of the people, but then he'll go and down things like inviting the parents of Columbine victims to a showing of Bowling for Columbine, and charging them admission. Little things like that annoy me. That, and how he tries to pull all of these guilt trips in his films, and it just comes off as really tacky. As for lies: he doesn't lie outright. He cuts up interviews and things like that to fit his politics. For example, he interviewed a man in Bowling For Columbine who was shot several times in a robbery, and made him look like he was anti-gun. Turns out the guy is pro-gun, according to an interview with him after the film was released. Moore just cut up the interview so it seemed like the guy was on his side. I know people do this stuff all the time, but it's still annoying.

Is what I just did lying?

Pretty much.

And all these things you know for a fact, you got them from a reliable source ?
Btw as a documentary-maker you can never be objective, they way you shoot something, edit something, what questions you ask, these things have an effect on the "truth".
As for the "pro-gun", couldn't it just be he just "changed his mind" for the sake of the second interview?
Moore is making people think how this government is being run.
I still think it's a good thing.
You have propaganda on both sides here.
And one side has more money and more power than the rest of the world.
Moore is a bit like average Joe.
I'm all for average Joe.

Yeah like KGB said, as a film maker, or artist of any kind you are 'painting a view' of the world from your eyes. It is inpossible to be completely objective as well your the one doing it if you get my meaning.
Moor see's things in a particular way and makes films about them. THey are documentries in that he is documenting what he sees and hears etc.

This thread started about Bush and a sailor... Now it's about beer shits and pig look-a-likes? I'm confused.

Doesn't change the fact that he's twisting the facts to suit his political views. I believe he has a right under the first amendment to do this, but I'll be damned if I don't let people know he's a liar for doing it.

Another part of bowling for columbine he "creatively edited" was during Heston's speech in Littleton, CO. He reorganized the speech and cut different parts of it together to make Heston look bad. He even took parts from entirely different speeches and mixed those in too. I am not a fan of Heston but I can't agree with misquoting him in such a gross manner.

I agree with Alaric.

Moore absolutely has a right to his opinion, and also to express that opinion.  I don't exactly disagree with the points he raises, but I dislike the way he decides to present them.  He's an ambush journalist, and his flagrant selectiveness in the information he chooses to divulge is far too biased to be of much use for me.  He tears things completely out of context and rearranges them as he sees fit (Heston, anyone?), and at times refuses to even acknowledge counterarguments to his assertions.  Knowingly withholding pertinent information from his audience makes him come across as a conniving and deceitful bastard, to me.  He paints his nice little picture of the state of things today exactly how he wants to.  Fine, whatever, he can do that if he really wants to.  But I know many people who shut off their brains when watching his stuff and blindly accept every word as truth (the whole, indisputable truth), and fail to realize that there may be (and, in fact, probably is) more to it than what Moore has stated.  If he can't even attempt to be objective about the material he is discussing, it's usefulness is extremely limited.  He's coming out with a new movie soon (Farenheit 9/11, I think it was called?), and while I wouldn't at all discourage viewing it, just realize that Moore's truth is probably only half of the real truth.

There's a website called Bowling for Truth (http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/main/about/moore.htm (http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/main/about/moore.htm)) that I came across a while ago, and while I realize that some of the material on the site may be about as one-sided and without impartiality as Moore's material is, I do tend to agree with much of what he says in his "Who is Michael Moore and Why Do I Loathe Him?" editorial.  And here (http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html (http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html)) is a quite long and comprehensive refutation of many of the deceptions presented by Bowling for Columbine.

Ok what makes you guys think that this doesnt happen all the time.  When you watch the news or any documentary they all do this. It is well documented that the media did this to significant historical fiugres like Malcom X, Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther King and the list goes on.  All over the news there are lies, puritan journalism is dead and has been replaced by sensationalist journalism because sensationalist journalism keeps viewers watching while the truth does not.  I believe Moore is unfairly targeted by these accusations while every other "fair and balanced" new agency is just as guilty of doing the same.  You don't win the Palmme d'ore at Cannes for being a radical, you win it for being a proffesional and classy film maker.  Quentin Tarintino, one of the judges at Canne, even said to Moore "you didn't win this because of politics".  Anyway if you are looking for the truth you're never going to find it in todays world of propaganda and lies.

http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/bowlingforcolumbine/scenes/bank.htm

They talk about the whole thing being staged and not portrait accurately.
Off course he could have made a 30 min special about him opening an account, the bank doing a backgroundcheck, him filling out loads of papers .....
Unfortunately this is the opening sequence of the movie so there is no time for that

Fact remains YOU DO GET A GUN WHEN YOU OPEN AN ACCOUNT THERE.
That was the only point he tried to make, and he made it.

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Its done in every corner of Media i know. You name it they do it. Newpapers, radio, TV, whatever it is - whether its a news reporter in Iraq or a fasion editor in NY. People select what they want. Do you really think the news - the 'purest' form of information, dosn't do exactly what your suggeting Moore has done? I mean come on now....


You amaze me. I thought Heston had managed to make himself look like an arrogant   stupid little fuck all byhimself. Didn't think he really needed any help.

Exactly. Which is why I think it undermines his cause to twist the facts even more. He's only hurting his cause.

I realize all media has bias and often twists facts to suit their needs. My point was just to point out that Moore is just as bad as the rest of the media. And that you shouldn't put any more stock in what he says than you would in Fox News or CNN.

You seemed to hold him to some higher standard, as if he was somehow different than the rest of them. I just wanted to show that he's no different and is at least as despicable as the rest of them.

alaric, I think the point is that Moore is very effective at getting his point across.

He's labeled as a documentry maker but he's really a pundit. And he's excellent at punditry.

Now, I don't want to get onto one of my "my team is better than the other team" rants, but Moore's playing for the good guys here. Do I like that he's loose with facts and edits to make his points? Not really. Do I care? About as much as I cared that Clinton had his dick sucked.

And should we discount Moore and his work because he's not a pure docementry-maker? No, no more than we should have impeached Clinton for lying about blowjobs.