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Title: New Perspective on Nick Berg's Beheading
Post by: alaric on May 27, 2004, 08:07:51 pm
I ran across this analysis of Nick Berg's beheading today. The alegations it alledges are simply shocking. While I do not know if the information in this article is accurate, as I have not been able to corroborate most of it, the nature of the allegations demands that further investigation be done.

Nick Berg's Killing: 50 Fishy Circumstances, Contradictory Claims, and Videotape Anomalies (http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/5/15/22827/0477)


Title: Re:New Perspective on Nick Berg's Beheading
Post by: seth on May 27, 2004, 08:27:07 pm
i guess some of this is true, some isnt.  But i'm sure we'll never know.


Title: Re:New Perspective on Nick Berg's Beheading
Post by: c| Spetsnaz. on May 27, 2004, 08:33:42 pm
Hmm, he was still wearing his military issue jump suit, the white chairs are the exact same as used in Abu Ghraib(where Berg worked as a guard for a short time) and one of the "terrorists" is wearing a gold ring, which is abhorred my Islam, also the alleged "terrorist" are fat, try to find a fat Iraqi man, you won't.

Anyone here ever cleaned a deer? Then you would know that its nearly impossible to get a cleanly cut off a deer head with a hand knife, much less a persons head(where's the blood). And where do these "terrorists" get access to a camera and internet access in the middle of war torn Iraq?

My paranoid guess is that the whole beheading was a military industrial complex PsyOp, deployed in order to counter the prison picture incident. I reluctantly watched the video and it looked hella hollywood like...


Title: Re:New Perspective on Nick Berg's Beheading
Post by: "Sixhits" on May 27, 2004, 08:42:59 pm
Yah. I've heard this. Not sure which way to swing. It's true that Berg doesn't struggle in the video (I have watched it) and that the screams seem to be pre-recorded. But I just don't want to think about what it means if this killing was staged by our side.


Title: Re:New Perspective on Nick Berg's Beheading
Post by: BTs_GhostSniper on May 27, 2004, 08:44:19 pm
Well, based on that evidence I would say that the same American guards that produced the humiliating photos of Iraqi prisoners also produced the Berg beheading video.

So basically, the U.S. Military murdered Nick Berg for George Bush's political gain.

Sounds about right to me.


Title: Re:New Perspective on Nick Berg's Beheading
Post by: BFG on May 27, 2004, 08:47:57 pm
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I would say that the same American guards that produced the humiliating photos of Iraqi prisoners also produced the Berg beheading video

Why?

It sure was a good bit of news to distract people... In one way i hope it was fake - to imagine what that guy went though if it isn't dosn't bear imagining..

However if people 'set-thisup' to drum up support for Amerca etc.... that dosn't bear thinking about either.


Title: Re:New Perspective on Nick Berg's Beheading
Post by: "Sixhits" on May 27, 2004, 08:48:34 pm
Well, based on that evidence I would say that the same American guards that produced the humiliating photos of Iraqi prisoners also produced the Berg beheading video.

So basically, the U.S. Military murdered Nick Berg for George Bush's political gain.

Sounds about right to me.

God, I hope not.


Title: Re:New Perspective on Nick Berg's Beheading
Post by: seth on May 27, 2004, 09:06:36 pm
apparently a guy from CIA named James Raxton  told CNN that he worked on the beheading video and that it was made by CIA in association with Mossad. He denied it 3 hours later.

here's the link (in french), check for news on the 17.05.04.

http://quibla.net/berg/Nick%20Berg.htm

I'll point out that the source of this info is Reuters.


Title: Re:New Perspective on Nick Berg's Beheading
Post by: BTs_FahQ2 on May 27, 2004, 09:13:48 pm
The whole Nick berg shit is just nuts, there is also reports that al queda was using his email address 3 years earlier out of coincidence.  This has been reported by the FBI.  So the real story about this guy is way way more than we will ever know. What are the goddamn chances al Queda would use his email 3 years before, then have him travel to Iraq only to be beheaded by them.

They calculated around 1 in 3 trillion or billion, I forget, but it's pretty much impossible


Title: Re:New Perspective on Nick Berg's Beheading
Post by: "Sixhits" on May 27, 2004, 09:27:18 pm
The whole Nick berg shit is just nuts, there is also reports that al queda was using his email address 3 years earlier out of coincidence.  This has been reported by the FBI.  So the real story about this guy is way way more than we will ever know. What are the goddamn chances al Queda would use his email 3 years before, then have him travel to Iraq only to be beheaded by them.

They calculated around 1 in 3 trillion or billion, I forget, but it's pretty much impossible

The offical line on the email thingie is that his email was grabbed in a sweep of emails. They just hacked a few thousand and his happened to be one of them.

As for the co-incedences: so many in this case.


Title: Re:New Perspective on Nick Berg's Beheading
Post by: Mr.Mellow on May 27, 2004, 10:13:10 pm
They sure do seem fat, and seem to have white skin. Plus, the lack of blood and squirming and such. I dunno. I doubt that the CIA actually killed him, that's a bit far-fetched for me. However, decapitating his body, that's not so bad. Then again, he was alive at the beginning of the video so I dunno. Hard to say.


Title: Re:New Perspective on Nick Berg's Beheading
Post by: Abe 2.0 on May 27, 2004, 11:49:03 pm
http://www.intelwire.com/2004_05_20_exclusives.html

Found this interresting. Looks at all the conspiracy arguements rationally.
How can white patio furniture be incriminating? Everyone has had a white plastic chair like that at some point in their lives....


Title: Re:New Perspective on Nick Berg's Beheading
Post by: Typhy on May 28, 2004, 12:00:45 am


Anyone here ever cleaned a deer? Then you would know that its nearly impossible to get a cleanly cut off a deer head with a hand knife, much less a persons head(where's the blood). And where do these "terrorists" get access to a camera and internet access in the middle of war torn Iraq?


Very true. I use a 10" fillet knife, extremely sharp, and it's still nearly impossible to make a straight cut, and there tends to be tons of blood.


Title: Re:New Perspective on Nick Berg's Beheading
Post by: Mr.Grey on May 28, 2004, 12:37:25 am
i wanna see the beheading tape i didnt catch it send send send!  ;D


Title: Re:New Perspective on Nick Berg's Beheading
Post by: cO.gabe on May 28, 2004, 12:51:17 am
i wanna see the beheading tape i didnt catch it send send send!  ;D
Go on limewire and type in "Nick Berg Beheading" or "American Beheading" or something like that.... you will get about a million hits.  

Disclaimer: All ideas expressed above are those of someone else and are not necissarily endorsed by "Gabe"


Title: Re:New Perspective on Nick Berg's Beheading
Post by: c| Spetsnaz. on May 28, 2004, 01:30:33 am
How can white patio furniture be incriminating? Everyone has had a white plastic chair like that at some point in their lives....

Yes, but how would Al-CIAdia members have access to military issue plastic chairs?


Title: Re:New Perspective on Nick Berg's Beheading
Post by: PsYcO aSsAsSiN on May 28, 2004, 01:40:49 am
Yes, but how would Al-CIAdia members have access to military issue plastic chairs?

How dumb are you? Let me pose this question to you: How would Iraqi street vendors have access to perfect replica U.S. Army uniforms with unit patches and the like?

Needless to say, getting a U.S. Army uniform seems far more difficult than getting commonly found plastic chairs.

As for the tape, I don't know what to think of it because I haven't seen it. I don't know what the hell motivates someone to watch another person be decapitated, whether he was alive or not.


Title: Re:New Perspective on Nick Berg's Beheading
Post by: BFG on May 28, 2004, 02:37:04 am
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i wanna see the beheading tape i didnt catch it send send send! :D?

It is the video of a man having his head cut off..... its not fucking bloody entertainment for gods sake.

how sick is this.


Title: Re:New Perspective on Nick Berg's Beheading
Post by: Typhy on May 28, 2004, 03:37:08 am
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i wanna see the beheading tape i didnt catch it send send send! :D?

It is the video of a man having his head cut off..... its not fucking bloody entertainment for gods sake.

how sick is this.

Agreed, your attitude towards it is just as nasty as the video itself.


Title: Re:New Perspective on Nick Berg's Beheading
Post by: KoS.Rebel on May 28, 2004, 04:29:36 am
Basically, if u havent seen the video u want to and those of us who have watched the video wish they never did. I saw it when everyone thought it was real and it scared the shit out of me....i fuckin couldnt sleep. Then after reading this.....i dunno which way to go. The article makes good points, but we will never know. If it is real then i hope Nick rests in peace but if it isnt i condemn those who made it.


Title: Re:New Perspective on Nick Berg's Beheading
Post by: BTs_Lee.Harvey on May 28, 2004, 06:23:21 am
After seeomg the video.. you can see sme blood comming out.. but you cant realy tell how much but to the poor quality of the video. I do think that berg was either heavaly drugged or dead b4 his head was cut off. I do believe that there is alot more to the story then we realy know.. but I also believe that it was more then likly the terroriest or Iracies that did it b/c I think the US gov would have done a better job of makeing the video look more realistic and would have been able to dubb the taling over it and make it match up (hell they prove they can do good jobs at computer stuff.. just look at AA)


Title: Re:New Perspective on Nick Berg's Beheading
Post by: Cobra on May 28, 2004, 06:50:15 am
i wanna see the beheading tape i didnt catch it send send send!  ;D
i wanna see u jump off teh cliff now jump jump jump  ;D

Fucking idiot.


Title: Re:New Perspective on Nick Berg's Beheading
Post by: seth on May 28, 2004, 07:46:41 pm
After seeomg the video

were you eating popcorn while watching that ?
thats sick !


Title: Re:New Perspective on Nick Berg's Beheading
Post by: Mr.Grey on May 29, 2004, 12:24:05 am
im not getting entertainment BFG and cobra jesus im curious

plus your known to argue about stupid things so i shouldnt be apoligizing


Title: Re:New Perspective on Nick Berg's Beheading
Post by: "Sixhits" on May 29, 2004, 12:44:20 am
People who have the stomache for it should see the video.

Acursing someone because they've watched it is like cursing someone for looking at the photos of the dead Allied soldiers on D-Day. Gruesom, terrifying. But a part of our war.


Title: Re:New Perspective on Nick Berg's Beheading
Post by: BTs_GhostSniper on May 29, 2004, 03:30:36 am
People who have the stomache for it should see the video.

Nah, I have the stomach for it but I don't care to see it.  I've seen enough death in person to last me the rest of my life.