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Anyone remember Ahmed Chalabi? The bastard that the Neo-Cons had spoon fed 30 million Tax-Payer dollars to? The shyster who coned the Vice President and the Pentagon and the President into invading Iraq? The man Bush invited to the State of the Union adrees, who sat behind First Lady Laura Bush?

He's an Iranian spy.

(good job George - you've let the Fox into America's hen house)

And for a decade the CIA has been warning everyone about this fucker. Guess who didn't listen? Bush and his neocon buddies. Fuck you, Bush: you've sold America out, AGAIN. You guys are a bunch traitors. I can't wait till Americans toss you in jail.

Incompetent doesn't even begin to describe the Bush administration.

http://www.nypost.com/news/worldnews/21412.htm (http://www.nypost.com/news/worldnews/21412.htm)

"May 22, 2004 --  WASHINGTON - Jordan's King Abdullah fueled the U.S. move against Iraqi leader Ahmed Chalabi by providing bombshell intelligence that his group was spying for Iran, The Post has learned.

An explosive dossier that the Jordanian monarch recently brought with him to White House sessions with President Bush detailed Mafia-style extortion rackets and secret information on U.S. military operations being passed to Iran, diplomats said.

That new information led to the Bush administration's decision to stop its $340,000-a-month payments to Chalabi's Iraqi National Congress and back an aggressive Iraqi criminal probe into his activities.

The file was compiled by Jordan's intelligence service, which has had an interest in Chalabi since the 1990s, when the Iraqi exile leader was convicted in absentia for embezzling millions of dollars.

The scandal stemmed from the collapse of the Bank of Petra, which Chalabi controlled, the diplomatic officials said.

Just months ago, Chalabi had been favored by Bush administration hard-liners as the next leader of Iraq and sat behind First Lady Laura Bush at the State of the Union Address in January."

Whups. =p

Maybe we'll go to war with Iran next.  They have any oil?

Only one way to find out.

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lmao snipe

Bush is among the many head cases that reads and hears only what they want to believe and absolutely nothing else.  Iraqi prisoner abuse is the first exception.  Cheney on the otherhand is an evil puppeteer.  

US policy seems to consistantly be picking friends and Allies as long as they benefit us in the short term no matter what kind of injustices or problems they are developing in the longer.  

2000-2004
Chilabi - supported intelligence for WMD's in Iraq (known criminal, and discovered spy)

1979-1989
Iraq -  Saddam Hussain at war with Iran. ??Iraq developed these weapons with the help of the United States and the West. No matter how many times Iranians shouted that Iraq was using chemical weapons, they were ignored. I don't know why the United States has suddenly become kinder than a mother for the suffering of us chemical weapons patients.?
   
   ??We took patients to Germany, to Britain, to France, but no one stopped    Saddam's regime from using these terrible weapons. The United States let him develop, stockpile and use these weapons. Now suddenly it's changed. The fact is that the United States is only after its own interests. It doesn't care about what has happened to people.?  Dr. Hamid Sohrabpour  [New York Times, 2/13/03]
scroll down:  http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/globalissue/usforeignpolicy/iraq1980scontent.html

1980- present
Saudi Arabia - Oil benefits and discounts (Very undemocratic policies, Home country of 9/11 terrorists)

2001 - present
Pakistan - Support for War on Afhghanistan (Nuclear weapons trader)

1979-1989
Afghanistan - Rebels - Oil pipeline Deal - Fighting for indepence from Communist Russia (Lawlessness led to Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban which harbored terrorist training camps)

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=us_interventions_project

haha, thats funny. Welcome to war in the Near East, Americans.

Nah Cos: this is funny.


How many members of the Bush Administration are needed to replace a lightbulb?

The Answer is SEVEN:


one to deny that a lightbulb needs to be replaced


one to attack and question the patriotism of anyone who has questions about the lightbulb,


one to blame the previous administration for the need of a new lightbulb,


one to arrange the invasion of a country rumored to have a secret stockpile of lightbulbs,


one to get together with Vice President Cheney and figure out how to pay Halliburton Industries one million dollars for a lightbulb,


one to arrange a photo-op session showing Bush changing the lightbulb while dressed in a flight suit and wrapped in an American flag,


and finally one to explain to Bush the difference between screwing a lightbulb and screwing the country.

thats funny bro.  You write that?  If you did, it will be spammed clear across the country tomorrow.

nah, someone else spammed it first. :-)


Oh, and as an update:

http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/8741302.htm (http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/8741302.htm)

"Of all the Bush administration?s missteps in Iraq, the worst may have been listening to Ahmad Chalabi.

The former Iraqi exile fed the administration bogus intelligence on Iraq?s weapons programs and ties to international terrorism. He encouraged an invasion with fewer troops that U.S. generals wanted by assuring Americans they would be greeted as liberators and that entire Iraqi army units would surrender. He urged the administration to purge members of Saddam Hussein?s Baath Party from the police, the military and the government, creating a security vacuum quickly filled by violent insurgency.

The graphic scandal in Iraq?s prisons has so far eclipsed the Chalabi story. But his influence on the administration?s case for war, its plan for war and its planning for postwar Iraq could prove to be an even more damaging scandal than the treatment of Iraqi prisoners by the U.S. military."

The training wheels are off. Just what do I mean? See below....

Even more on the tratiors in the white house and how they have been dupped into ending the Iran/Iraq war:

"   Some intelligence officials now believe that Iran used the hawks in the Pentagon and the White House to get rid of a hostile neighbour, and pave the way for a Shia-ruled Iraq.

According to a US intelligence official, the CIA has hard evidence that Mr Chalabi and his intelligence chief, Aras Karim Habib, passed US secrets to Tehran, and that Mr Habib has been a paid Iranian agent for several years, involved in passing intelligence in both directions.

The CIA has asked the FBI to investigate Mr Chalabi's contacts in the Pentagon to discover how the INC acquired sensitive information that ended up in Iranian hands.

The implications are far-reaching. Mr Chalabi and Mr Habib were the channels for much of the intelligence on Iraqi weapons on which Washington built its case for war.

"It's pretty clear that Iranians had us for breakfast, lunch and dinner," said an intelligence source in Washington yesterday. "Iranian intelligence has been manipulating the US for several years through Chalabi."  "


http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1224075,00.html (http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1224075,00.html)

Did you also know that there are rumors that Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz are Mossad?


I stated wrongly saying that they were, when instead many people within the government suspect them of being so.

Where'd you hear that from?

Here are some links that I have picked up

 (http://www.americanpolitics.com/20030327Koop.html)

http://www.rense.com/general35/eax.htm (http://www.rense.com/general35/eax.htm)

http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Richard_N._Perle (http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Richard_N._Perle)

http://www.adlusa.com/voteforusa/wolfcia.htm (http://www.adlusa.com/voteforusa/wolfcia.htm)

Lol Six, that Lighbulb is brilliant :D

I say line the son-of-a-bitch against a wall and shoot him.

My god, how do poeple like this NOT get thrown in jail.

So here's the rub:

Bush admin has been penetrated at the highest levels by Isreali and Iranian agents. And it just so happens that the Isrealis and the Iranians had exactly the same goal: get rid of Saddam. Saddam sends money to the families of dead suicide bombers, Saddam fought Iran for eight years and used WMDs on them. What and odd alliance.

Call me crazy, but I think this Chalabi guy just saved Bush the election. I fully expect this whole Iraq debacle to be pinned on Chalabi. Could you ask for a more perfect fall guy?

The only problem with this is that Chalabi is so closely linked to - and so heavily pushed by - the highest members of the Bush admin. From Cheny on down, just about everyone has mentioned Chalabi on the air. If they make Chalabi the fall guy what they are admitting to is incompetence. Dangerous, earthshattering incompetence.

As Bush says, fool me once, shame on ... shame on you. Fool me twice ... um, shame on, shame on you.

The logic train on Chalabi re: Bush's reelection is that this is a poison arrow through his reelection heart. It's a slow death, but a death none the less. No matter how they spin it, they were tricked, and having been tricked were repeatedly told they were tricked. Ignoring wise advise, they funded, followed and ultimately found themselves in the quagmire of Iraq due to this man. They were in fact willfully ignorant. A president who is willfully ignorant is not qualified to be president.

But then again, it's not like 33% of the nation is going to care. They'd vote for Satan if he was a card carrying Republican.

I think you have that the other way around.  The liberals voted for Clinton and they are going to vote for John F'ing Kerry, which are two people that are just about as close to Satan as you can get.

You can get a Conservative Republican to vote for a good Democrat candidate far easier than you can get a liberal Democrat to vote for a good Republican candidate.

Tom Clancy is a liberal.

Actually, I think there are a few good Republicans out there. McCain, despite the anit-abortion thing, is one. I think daddy Bush was a good man as well.

To spin this on it's head: I think that there's a good 33% of the population who'd vote for Satan if he was a card carrying Democratic. The nation's just polarized like that.

Specifically about the part where you mistated... "ultimately found themselves in the quagmire of Iraq due to this man."  The admins' motivation to go to Iraq was well estbalished before Chilabi stepped forward to help.  The US is caught in a Quagmire due to their own corruption and freakishness about the world around them.  Chilabi provided the false excuse.  The type of slimey guy (a "player") that us intelligent people learn to avoid like the plague.  BUSH IS BAD KARMA. nuff said.    

I'm not so sure Ssick.

Chalabi is THE instigating force in making Iraq the number one priority. The modern neocon movement is based around Chalabi.

thats just it. they allready had the intention and he was just another perfect piece to the jigsaw....
And now they can just play dumb ingorance and use him as a scapegoat... when they actually knew all along.

The intention was emoted back in the early '90s. And guess who was the linch pin? Chalabi.

Guy, this is not really a chicken or the egg argument. The neocon movement has been linked to Chalabi since the very beginning. Chababli went to school with one of the founders of the movement and has kept in touch ever since. The basis for the "modern" neocon thrust into Iraq is Chabali as foreign exile. He is the chicken, in that sense, and the neocons have egg all over their face for it.

"While at Chicago, Chalabi met Albert Wohlstetter, an applied mathematician and one of the founders of the neoconservative movement. Wohlstetter introduced Chalabi to future movement leaders like Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz." That was 1969.

Below is one of the better articles, summing up pretty much everything.
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/05/04/chalabi/print.html (http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/05/04/chalabi/print.html)


There's another fly in this soup: what if all the bruhaha around Chalabi - specifically the raid on his house and the branding of his closest advisor as a spy - was a setup by the Pentagon (sic, the neocons) to distance him from the US and thus make him look more appetizing to the Iraqi people? I don't buy it. As crafty as the Cons think they are, they've proven themselves to be incompetent. And frankly I don't think the charges against Chalabi are flase.

Fantastic article, sixhits. Another long read, but well worth it. It seems every day, if not every hour, we find out the rabbit hole goes a little bit deeper than we thought. How far till we reach bottom?

I think this sums up where we are now:

"Washington, just weeks ago in the grip of neoconservative orthodoxy, absolute belief in Bush's inevitability and righteousness, is in the throes of being ripped apart by investigations. Things fall apart: the military, loyal and lumbering, betrayed and embittered; the general in the field, General Sanchez, disgraced and cashiered; the intelligence agencies abused and angry, their retired operatives plying their craft with the press corps, seeping dangerous truths; the press, hesitating and wobbly, investigating its own falsehoods; the neocons, publicly redoubling defence of their hero and deceiver Chalabi, privately squabbling, anxiously awaiting the footsteps of FBI agents; Colin Powell, once the most acclaimed man in America, embarked on an endless quest to restore his reputation, damaged above all by his failure of nerve; everyone in the line of fire motioning toward the chain of command, spiralling upwards and sideways, until the finger pointing in a phalanx is directed at the hollow crown."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1225688,00.html (http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1225688,00.html)

But as you said, who knows where this will all go? (perhaps Bush thrown in jail, the Republican party broken like the ancient Whig party?) I can still dream, can't I?

 like the part were ghost calls Clinton close to satan.... its hard to come by raw ignorance, take a long look....

And the story keeps getting better!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5123436/site/newsweek/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5123436/site/newsweek/)

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One Bush administration official said that in addition to harboring suspicions that Chalabi had been leaking sensitive U.S. information to Iran both before and after the U.S. invasion of Iraq, some U.S. officials also believe that Chalabi had collected and maintained files of potentially damaging information on U.S. officials with whom he had or was going to interact for the purpose of influencing them. Some officials said that when Iraqi authorities raided Chalabi?s offices, one of the things American officials hoped they would look for was Chalabi?s cache of information he had gathered on Americans.
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I wonder who Chalabi has been blackmailing.