*DAMN R6 Forum

Yo,

*DAMN pulled together the famous Island Thunder patch for Ghost Recon and noticing how a success it was, i wanted to introduce your community with my latest project. Im in the process of porting over Athena Sword, and about 3/8 done. I need help in beta testing these insane maps, RvS modderes, and unreal scripters. For thoose who do not know what Athena Sword is......

[UBI's Raven Shield Intro]
Team Rainbow is back! Command the world's most elite, multinational force of counter-terrorist operatives in their latest mission. Track the desperate remnants of the international terror network from Rainbow Six 3: Raven Shield into the exotic regions of the Mediterranean and prevent their mad agenda of international anarchy and devastation.
New story that picks up where Raven Shield left off
?8 new missions (set in 6 all-new levels)
?5 new multiplayer levels
Locations include: Chemical Factory, Ferry Boat, University, Italian Back Alleys and Jungle
?3 classic missions
Available in single-player & multiplayer modes, they come from the previous Rainbow Six episodes (Rainbow Six, Rogue Spear & Urban Ops) & have been updated with the Unreal? engine.
?5 new multiplayer game modes
- Adversarial Terrorist Hunt
- Adversarial Scattered Hunt
- Capture the Enemy
- Kamikaze
- Countdown
?7 new fully-customizable weapons
- Pistol: Beretta M93R - Single and 3-round burst capability
- SM4 CQB - 9mm w/ 40 round mag
- Assault Rifle 1: HK G3KA4 - 7.62mm short assault rifle base on G3A3
- Assault Rifle 2: OTs-14 Groza 9/40 - Latest Russian MVD weapon firing 9x39mm
- Shotgun: M1014 (12g)- modernized version of the M1 tactical shotgun
- M240G Machine gun - 7.62mm belt fed
- Sniper Rifle: HK SL8-1 (SL8-1 5.56mm)
?New enemies
?New NPC characters for an even more interactive experience
?New intro and insertion cinematics
With all the great gameplay and counter-terror action you loved in Raven Shield:
- First person view of weapon models for all 64 fully-customizable real-world weapons
- Quick order interface for rapid control of your squadmates
- Quick order interface to control your teamates.
- Awesome graphical effects, made possible by the Unreal? engine: flashbang, night vision, thermal vision, etc.
- Mission planning & Zulu codes to coordinate the ultimate close-quarters battle tactics!


Progress.......[Completed]
Textures
Staticmesges
Sounds
Background
Animations

Progress.....[Working On]
Videos
System - Weapons/Uniforms ect..
Maps

Progress    [Need Help On...]
System Folder - Activating using a RvS Unreal script..possibly a .ini


Mac's Moding Team...

]BoC[5150, ]BoC[buddHa, GodFather.....

Ill post every couple of days my progress...

-Revelation
revelationsd@hotmail.com
AIM: revelationsd5
MSN: revelationsd@hotmail.com

Like the message said, I am in. I wil take care of the distributing part. I think it's a great idea this mod, and I hope we can get help on the system depending part. If we can get that part working, we have a working mac version of Athena Sword. I wnana help where I can, but I am very crappy converter (RvS that is, I pwn @ RS conversions! :D )

Plz let us know what u all think.

Well, for your sake, I hope Ubisoft's legal department doesn't go after you two like it went after Mauti regarding IT.

Yah, I was also going to mention this. Here is the letter that Mauti received:



(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/arts/screenshots/ubisoftwantstobuydamnr6.jpg)


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To make the image readable (if it isn't readable with your display settings) just open it in a new window.

Something else that I think should be said:

If you guys do actually make this mod, I would highly suggest that Mauti does not affiliate himself or his site with it in any way, as Ubisoft could see it as a second offense, and take legal action.

Yeah, don't take it this the wrong way or anything, but we really don't want our Mauti getting in trouble. If you could move this to another forum perhaps, that'd be great.

If you buy the game, then port it to play it on your mac. And distrubute a patch so other can as well.. is illeagle?

"Distribute" is the key word that brings up the legal issues.

Anyone else notice the fact that in UBISOFT's letter the game is referred to as "Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Island Thunder"? The R6/GhR series are different series. What's with that wording?

(http://www.edonews.com/R6it.jpg)

Dunno about that one Myst, might be a PS'ed fake. I guess only mauti himself could confirm that.

If I remember correctly that letter was the original letter recieved by Mauti. Mauti immediatly conntacted that department and explained to them that all he was offering was once someone purchased the pc version of IT that that person sends Mauti the pc version of IT and gets a ported version sent back to him. OR, there is a detailed Tutorial on how to do it yourself. Once Ubi was aware of that they had no problem with it.

Unlike Mauri. I am only distrubuting a patch. Not a CD. If your choice if you wana take your Athena Sword and extract the nessessary files.

As far as I know, they didn't send the letter because of the IT patch, but because of the IT conversion offering Mauti made. Ubi doesn't want anyone to make money from their products without licence, and they didn't approve of the send cd & convert scheme because Ubi wouldn't have control over the cash-flow, although Mauti wouldn't have made any money from it. I'd interpret the letter that way: If you buy the PC version (of IT), you can use the patch to make some of the textures work for you. So, if your patch only consists of a start script of the unreal engine and map conversions, I don't think Ubi would take action. Anyhow, you could always try to contact their PR lady (she's mentioned in the letter) and ask her on Ubi's point of view.

Elan

Well UBI was fine with his, and im doing nothing different than the IT project. Besides the CD dealy.. And the fact the conversion is like 1000X harder...


Progress...

Weapons Models are now done!
Characters are now done.. not tested

Working on sounds

Heres some screnys of the new weapons

http://www.matrixcg.net/moh/Snapshot%2010.jpg
http://www.matrixcg.net/moh/Snapshot%207.jpg
http://www.matrixcg.net/moh/Snapshot%208.jpg

Progress.... update:

The following is left to do:

-Map Hotel_Nights does not want to load w/o gammodes mabe?
-Map Muli1 has same problem as Hotel_Nights
-Map Subway's texture file "Subway_station_TSM.utx needs to be converted (i keep getting errors when trying)
-Add weapon's .int localized to RvS

Found out that maps Castle and Streets require a 64mb video card. (very laggy)

Don't forget to make the names show up correctly in-game (see screenshot).

Though that might be part of the .int file, dunno. I'm too lazy to look, and I just got home from a party, and I need sleep.

Good night.

Yup.

Heres some MAP screenies i did today.

http://www.matrixcg.net/moh/Snapshot%2011.jpg (http://www.matrixcg.net/moh/Snapshot%2011.jpg)
http://www.matrixcg.net/moh/Snapshot%2012.jpg (http://www.matrixcg.net/moh/Snapshot%2012.jpg)

Yes snipe, the weapon model names are in the .int

A small update....

Projects are on hold till notification from UbiSoft gives a go on the conversion.

[Completed]
-.Int now attached

Whats left...
-MUlT1/Hotel_Nights/Subway maps
-weapon HUD pictures
-Video converted

Jesus, looks like that 2nd Map SS is gonna be a very laggy map.

Minor request:

Could you stat your fps in future screenshots? Thanks.

Also, post your computer specs.

I think you have the exact same comp as me.

I havent started beta testing yet. So full screenshots with information wont come till... possibly friday saturday ish..

My computerS specs:
(Ive been using 3 computers)

-iBook G3 800MHZ
512 RAM
20 GIG HD

-iMac 1GIGz and 800MHZ
256RAM/1Gig
80GIG HD/ 140GIG

Those SS are done my iBook w/ 32MB NVIdIA Geforce2MX

Most of the games been taken in 64MB Geforce4MX video card.
Average FPS32MB:
Castle/Streets i got 15FPSmin 25FPSmax
Most maps averaged 25FPSmin 45FPSmax
Max's: min5FPS max50FPS

Average FPS64MB:
Castle/Streets i got steady 25-30FPS
Most maps averaged 40-50FPS
Max's: min20FPS max60FPS

Castle and Streets are probably the worse FPS maps. This is a common problem on both platforms. Dont worry to much about FPS it should run nearly at RvS level.

Other notes....
GAMETYPES WILL NOT BE AVALIBLE, modes suck as capture the enemy ect.. wont be in AS for mac. Why? In my understanding our RvS engine can only handle version 1.0 code and not version 1.4 code. So when Aspyr releases the update, ill try to make a unoffical AS patch, no biggie.

There may be two different installers...
The video's are big in AS, so i may make a skinny/fat installers for low/high bandwith.
Video formats are in .bik. I can convert the .bik to .avi but  cant find a dang codec to convert .avi to .mov. ConvertToQt and DivX Doctor II are not cooperating.

If you havent found out already, AS has R6/RS Classic missions, maps like embassy, SIB1 base, subway are now avalible.

Still waiting on the UBI confirmation.....

Alright, im pretty sure to say that the legal issues with R6:AS can be put to rest. After to talking to UbiSoft and Aspyr. Bascially, Ubi soft said that what im doing is fine. I just need to make sure i make the "mod" under certain conditions. As aspyr said, we wont take any legal action since they dont have license. "Do it at your own risk"

Im good to go.

All thats left...
Multi1 and Hotel_Nights
Weapons pictures.

Just putting it out there offically that I would be willing(and godamn do I want to) beta test this thingie...of course rev might be going to jail because of the cinderblock ;) but im just putting that out there.

It seems like Rev has put Project Athena Sword for Mac on hold due to some unforeseen things, when the Mac RvS is updated to 1.4 the project may begin again.

That's disappointing. I'm sure many people were looking forward to it.

What kinds of unforseen things have halted the development?

the comming RvS 1.4 Patch. It includes some major changes in the Engine. So we have to wait for the Patch and after the Patch AS will come to us.

Yes, the engine on the Mac version prevents a few things in Athena Sword, so as soon as Mac's are updated to the version of PC's, it should be simple to fix these flaws.

We have a lack of RvS coders so its hard to fix file problems and mismatches.

Yesterday we got introduced to a weapon problem. Only the host could use AS weapons, the client could only use R6 weapons. Very odd.


WE NEED CODERS!!!!

Ahhh, another patch is released...

This gives me more to work with and more comfort for you future owners. Sorry for taking long, this has been a solo project and no1 has put the dedication that i have but i had pals along the way help out. The 1.4 engine updates the mods feature which i implimented by hand. This was a waste of time cause of this damn new patch. Athena Sword wahts 1.55. So gametypes are still unavalible. Untill A. Aspyr updates again. B. A coder makes a new coding patch. Ive made alot of fixes which some (beta) users experienced. The server-sides guns and gun icon crap. While i still work on this i would like to know IF ANYONE REALLY CARES? I dont mind taking my time, but if you guys are impatient or actually want the expansion please let me know. Anyway, we found a way to require  a purchuse of Athena Sword like IT to do this =) Um, would leagues do ladders with this? Is *DAMN? Well, ill get back to work on it.


revelationsd@hotmail.com

It sounds fantastic rev, i wish i had the knowhow to help alas im out of my league with that sort of stuff.

Im sure if the mod was popular it could or would be included for people to play in the League just as we allow Mods in GhR and have *DAMN Map packs :D

Updates

- Added "Mod" Support
- Fully Functional Weapons
- Correct HUD support
- Added RvS Gamemodes to AS Maps
- Various map fixes
- Now appox. 1 gig total, then the old 3 gig AS file
- Added AS new weather effects
- Solid gameplay with lag effects removed
- added engine code lines for server setup easier

Currently working on..

Auto Athena Sword Game Launch per desktop/ gameranger
Winpack the AS .cab files for personal installation


Missing anything?

All is looking well. Just gotta get some testers.

Updates June 21,2004

-Added Multiplayer Game Information

This will let you know when the AS mod is working. As well as information as updates/troubleshooting/bug reports and contact information.

typing "revmod" will disable it
typing "revinfo" will display contact and version information

Athena's Activation...

(http://www.matrixcg.net/moh/Picture%202.jpg)

hey rev, ill beta test if you like.

If you want any help from me and my sexy G5 say so and I will be ever so happy to help. What you need to do is get Scott to make it a official game like how Rogue Spear: Urban Ops was. Now that would be a success.

Update:

A quick add-on to the Multiplayer Information

Upon installation, you will need to fix your resoultion/graphic settings. The installer will bring them to default for custom fixes to his/her graphics issues. Due to this, it will add a anti-cheat code which will block all console hacks for mac. A good way to prevent cheating with this expansion pack.

Wouldn't this require paying him?

Man!

Count me in as a beta tester!

I can beta test, my machine may or may not be desirable because of its low stats...

G4 533 Mhz
384 Mb RAM
nVidia GeForce MX 2 @ 32 MB

Holla back.
jacksonwarner@comcast.net

Hey now.

Rev, we all want to see how it runs on my Dual 2 G5.

When trying it online we found a couple problems...

Gameranger wont let you run mods, havent found a way to run Athena Sword upon clicking Raven Shield.. yet.

We get .u version mismatchs of the exact same file????

Hopefully get these fixed before any beta testing is up in the air.

I think I might be the only one to have it other than rev, nannannanana.

*** Pwns Myst

But crypt, I bet you can run things on high quality?

Well no. But I do have what you want.

I think you are dying slowly cause I poisoned you food.

That's weird, cause i just ate. NOOOOOOOOOOOOO *dies as he is typing*

MUHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Asked evill about it, heres what he said...

rev      .209th: Evill, do you allow ported games for gameranger?
Evill: rev, what are you talking about?
rev      .209th: If we ported over a expansion, can gameranger run it?
Evill: I assume you're talking about Athena Sword.
Evill: No, I probably wouldn't support it.
Evill: Because people are only going to pirate the PC version.
rev      .209th: Well, its no different than any other game.. You buy it, put the patch on.. Vola.
Evill: rev, I'm not stupid enough to believe that.
rev      .209th: Their is a equal chance of some1 pirating...example.. Raven Shield.
Evill: No, with a PC expansion pack it's more likely.
rev      .209th: So gameranger refuses to host any expansion due to fear of pirating?
Evill: I won't support an unofficial expansion.
rev      .209th: Cause of the money or the legal issues?
Evill: Principle.
Evill: Because that crowd tends to look far more favourably on pirating PC games than Mac games.
Evill: Or doing it simply out of spite.
rev      .209th: Dont you charge to have developers have their games supported by GR?
Evill: No.
rev      .209th: More mac games are pirated then PC expansions.
Evill: rev, this is not a debate.
Evill: This is how it is.
rev      .209th: Hey, im curious how this works. Relax
Evill: It would count as piracy if you did not buy that jewelcase version.
rev      .209th: This doesnt mean GR wont host Athena, ill just make it so it runs off RvS. My back up =)
Evill: rev, and I can ban you right now.
rev      .209th: For what?
Evill: Pleasure.
rev      .209th: great...


I think evill has some issues..

Anyway before hes childish mind kicked in, he made the point about no hosting expanisions that are unoffical due to GR's prinicple of game hosting.

 Is this some kind of sick powertrip? Also, out of interest why is it that this is different say from running IT or Frostbite for GhR?

- editited for content, i don't want to get a perma ban for saying something someone dosn't like -

... no comment...

lol, rev got banned last night, permanently. I'm gonna talk to Evill as I have contact with rev.

You guys do know that Athena Sword will be getting people banned for hosting it. Just like what happened with black thorn. I don't know if it is safe to host that game.

wtf thats bullshit on Evill's part. Didn't UBI accually send him a letter stating that it was okay? aslong as he didn't try to pull some shit on it, which he wasn't ( If i remember and  can be understood correctly.)

Yeah he cleared all the legal stuff beforehand. Evill, although he doesn't like the idea (as shown above), he isn't going to ban you for hosting a mod, especially when it's legal.

The facts are, crypt, that in Rouge Spear, when Blackthron a PC only expansion pack was ported to Mac he ordered no one to host it. Anyone one who did would be in deep shit with evil. My memory is a bit hazy that far back but I would suppose he would do some form of ban for disobeying him.

Maybe you should ask him then :D

 :(

.... What happend Rev?

Ask who what?

I called UBI's Legal department and a friend at Aspyr.

Too bad scott won't allow it.

Maybe I've missed something in this, but does Scott have a choice?  How are mods handled in RvS? Any different than GhR?  Island Thunder was a "unofficial" port, and we all had no problems playing that in GR.  Why would Athena Sword be any different?

Because Scott hates the R6 series... at-least that my best guess.

Because it bred a lot of players that own him in chats and there is nothing he can do about it (except the occasional ban ;) )

Don't tempt him, <hides from the evil eye>

wouldn't it be a possibility to let aspyr publish it?

if the expansion pack is already ported, Aspyr could put its name on it, and then we have an official expansion pack.

lol, it doesn't quite work like that.

I still think that if we don't get AS we will get the next one officially.

Hey gents...some of you old schoolers will remember this. When we first converted
"Black Thorn" for Rogue Spear some of you will remember and maybe even been one of the ones baned for playing it on Gameranger. Did that stop us?! Hells No. Do you guys remember the code word for "Black Thorn" games? Ill post the answer if none of you remember in the next few days.

Anyways, my point is, why would you stop converting this mod because of something so unimportant as evill banning people from GR?

GURU!

Agreed, Evill isn't nearly well enough connected to this community to pick up on a code word for something like AS. IMO, there's no reason to stop the conversion just because of him.

Well, it requires Rev's cooperation, which i doubt you'll get.

Hey Revelation,

what was your progress when you stopped the conversion? Since I have a new powerbook, may I would be interested to create a Mac AS Patch, shouldn't be that hard anymore since we have the 1.42 patch, at least the normal RvS mods work without any modifications.

However it is really a shame that you got banned from GameRanger. I hope you are already back.

Bye,

Mauti

I believe Aspyr has to sell a certain amount of copies to port an expansion pack.  I don't think Raven Shield has reached this amount yet though.  I say this because this is what Aspyr did with C&C.  Aspyr sold a certain amount of C&C games and now they're porting the C&C expansion.

its being done...http://www.insidemacgames.com/news/story.php?ID=10081 (http://www.insidemacgames.com/news/story.php?ID=10081)

Oh... My... God...

 :D

I bet they saw the interest around the net so they decided to take it, originally they didn't want to.

I didnt even know this topic was still up.

I talked to Aspyr about Athena Sword, i have other projects going on with Aspyr Media. They knew my position that is was going to be hard to perform a one man show. They are now producing Athena Sword by a seperate porting company. Now, im not sure it was because of me and what i was trying to do for the communtiy but either way Scott will deal with Athena Sword. They still need to updated there engine, so expect a patch soon. Nothing exceptional, just mod updating code. I did get Athena Sword to run successful to run on OSX. A accplishment im proud of, but i suppose the ban was a hit agaisnt me.

Also, Mauti i need to have a word with you. Please contact me:

revelationsd@hotmail.com

why don't you contact him yourself?

damnr6@planetrainbowsix.com

Rev all we need now is for the ban from GR to be removed by scott! :D

Rev,

By trying to port the entire game AS you are basically following down the same path as Mauti did back then.  I just cant understand why you guys would want to rock the boat with doing that.  Nods his head.  By trying to get the entire game to work for the Mac you guys are creating serious issues with Aspyr about this.  Just thought I would let you know that I am in constant contact with Aspyr media.  Not only are they down the street from where I live but they again  do shitloads of beta testing at Apple where I work.  If you guys ever want to be  able to use anything of theirs in cases like this I suggest you guys please stop rocking the freaking boat.  Rev, It's great that you are trying to port this, and I can respect that.  But if you distribute this you are breaking the law.  It does not matter weather or not you  make money off of it.  The law states for copywright that ANYTIME you create a patch of a game to work with another system and for any reason it deters money being given to the actual copyright holder you are therefore in violation of copyright law and not only do they get to pick which court from which country you happen to be in to fuck you in the ass but they also will be able to shut down any and all sites that host this port, including the  company also being able to sue anyone that assists in the distribution of this copyrighted program.  

There is a few things that you can do to make sure that dosen't happen.

1) dont port the game..
2) If you are going to port something find out who has the rights to the actual expansion, then get permission to port some of the maps if they have no intention of trying to get into the market of the Mac world with the expansion.  This might take some time as I am going thru this shit as we speak for using some of the IT maps.  

Just food for thought.

Saberian

This has been already been covered.

I love to do gaming ports, i will contiune to rock the boat for years to come.

Untill it capsizes, im not going to stop.

Sab this thread was started before Aspyr announced that it will convert AS for the Mac, so I'm out of the race and as you have seen with Island Thunder it is legal to make a conversion patch, I even had UBI's bless for this, because no Mac company bought the rights.

Bye,

Mauti