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I was playing today and i noticed some people (who shall remain nameless, and i trust them to stay out) said they were bad in 1v1 but were better overall. i was just curious, what makes one player better then another? Most of the game is small 1v1s, yet teamwork is a major factor. I know this is partly answered in the "who's the best rs player" thread but not to the extent that would answer my question. So really, what makes one player better than another?



Also, i hope this thread does not lend itself to spam. Please, if you dont have anything good to say, don't say anything.

Reflexes, Aggression, and aim....

dont forget connection ;D

There are many things, one of the things that I think is definantly most inportant is aim, When I was playing against Xo, he moves okay etc. but not great, but has an amazing aim, because of that he almost beat me, There are diffrent kinds of players, there are the 1v1 players, who are good either against large numbers of tangos, or in 1v1s, or both. Then you've got your team players, these are players who own when you put them with a good team, but when their alone, or with a weaker team, aren't as good, and then there are your players who have both skills.

Actually Psyks, I don't find that connection is a big deal, it's all in getting used to playing on it. I get more lag than lots of 56k people, I got the nice cable up here, but it's split into 3 parts, and I live in Alaska. I think that when it comes to connection, it's all in knowing what your connection can handle, and what it can't. For an example, I know that I am a better player if I can hit people from a medium distance, I am not a sniper or anything, and I never stop moving, so I'm not that good at really long range, and at close range I get a lot of lag, this is a tactic that I have had to adapt to sence I got ban from GameRanger, IP joining causes me more lag, so I am not able to get into as many of the close range battles as I used to do.

Using lots of ammo can be very good at times, I get so many kills by just firing whole clips in the genral direction of the enimey as I side step. Another key thing is movment, this is somthing that I make sure that everyone who has passed my training into AK knows, is that always moving is what wins. If you watch me play, you'll never see me stop, always sidesteping, going backwards etc. I see a lot of newbies stop and shoot when they get out their pistols, at close range, acuracy isn't all that inportant, I would say that movement is the most inportant part of being a good player. There are many other things like being able to judge where a tango is moving to after you get them on your HB so that you can nade there.

-Typhy

Bah typhy there are so many things that make people better then others.  Don't bother naming things, in general there is aim and movement, but you left out brain power and dancing.... sigh i am naming things.  Anyways the best players have all of that synergized (if that is even a word, i think it is, it is but i made it a verb, weeee =).  Its a combination of everything.  
Typhy what the hell are these players that are better 1v1 and better in teams?! What is that shit, i only call that half a player.  Its all about what u got up top though.

one thing which makes a great player is psycology, especially when the other person can hbs u.  Gorf is trying to teach me it but its hard.  I'm not talking about how u feel when u kill someone, i'm talking bout when ur in a pipe in storage depot and a guy can see u on hbs and he's comin round this way but u know he's smart so instead he'll go through the pipe and come out behind u, but u know this so u rush out when he goes into pipe and make him eat lead!!!

got myself confused but u know what i mean-- ;D ;D

Cow, I really don't understand what you intend to say with your posts, it just doesn't make sence, this is a forum, not live chat so you do have time to spell things correctly and spell them out, please do that so that I can  understand your post. I was saying that there are diffrent kinds of players, the best players are the ones who are good alone as well as on a team, also ones who can manage without their HB Sencor, unlike you :)

um, what makes people better than others is 3 things in my opinion...
1. aim and reflexes. being able to shoot before the other guy can, plus making every shot a head shot. if you get acused of using a aimbot, you fall under this category
2. bsing. the art of confusing everyone else, basicaly do what people don't expect, like not rush every game. basicaly creating mass panic on the battle ground.
3. not bitching, people who get really angry when they die, or lose constantly. just keeping things fun
jeb
also, learn every route to rush through on each map

Well, I get acused of having Body Armor and an Aimbot, the first one of these goes with the style of play that I use, however, I'm not the greatest shot, I dunno why people acuse me of having an aimbot, I would have to agree that those are all inportant, dancing used to be very inportant, it's near inpossible for me now, with IP joining, all the lag that I get.

-Typhy

i've been acused of aimboting 2 times this week, because i enhance my skills by using a 9mm pistol in normal games. aparently its bs to get 4 kills with a pistol, while the noobs are runing around trying to use a pdw.

Pistols are good, however, if you're going to use one of them as a primary, then you must not get into close combat against a HK MP5K-PDW. The PDW will own you, I've seen you and Colin use pistols pretty well as of late. 9mms are the best.

bah here are my 3

1. Bsing (like jeb) - confusing the opponent or luring them into your trap

2. Connection - Lag has a lot to do with the performance of the game and how you respond to its actions

3. Computer - depends on how well rs runs on your comp, mouse interface, etc.

Headshots are the biggest thing.

Using a pistol while u run is good practice.

i got a 5 kill own 30mins ago, with nothing but a pistol and on desal plant. i got in 3 dances with pdws, its easy to avoid their fire. epscialy when using a pistol.
the key is, get rigth up on them, and circle them, don't even try to shoot them, and don't worry about geting behind them, but just run around their legs while they fire in despiration, then you stand up and they are either runing away reloading or pulling out the pistol, so simply empty a clip in their direction, and problem solved :o.
another good stratagy is to use a pdw as a secondary gun, and the 9mm as your first used gun, cause its got insain acuracy on the run, and if you run outa bullets you have a fully loaded pdw to fall back on.

I still disagree with the lag thing, I think that any player can adapt to play on any connection, they just need time, I think that whatever your used to works the best.

connection has alot to do with it, i can tell you cause i went from a 56k connection were i could only use the pdw to get kills via spray and pray, to a dsl connection that gave me 40pings were i could effectivly use a assault rifle and pistols. a faster connection is helpful especialy to rush

typhy bite my ass and don't come back with some gay joke cause those are for ninny's.  The 9mm does not own at all.  If you are in a laggy game the 9mm will do you no good because half the time you will miss and hit the chest or arms in which case it takes about 6-7 bullets for a kill. .45 is my fav for a pistol, enough power to kill for chest and instant head shots, not to mention i have shot someone in the head with a 9mm and they did not die.  But when it all comes down to it all, skorp ownz j00 all.

am i the only one who finds it harder to play with a moded retiucal, like no some people's hosts (who shall remain nameless). I find that when you shoot a straight line of bullets, its no good for medium and close range combat, so if the host has a moded UMP .45, i'll be using the PDW. there are also some bitch ass hosts who enjoy moding the pdw's reticual till it isn't worth using.
I'm a strong advocate of every option being left on since i use the Lag guns, 3rd person, and c4 regularly.

in order to be a good player in my opinion, is that u have to have good aim in conjunction with moving fast because i move fast around people and when i see then i just fire shots as i run past them so they cant hit me and they accuse me of warping *cough* yoda *cough* :) . but the problem is that usually i dont kill them when i run past them so u have to "warp" and while ur "warping" u have to kill them so they cant shoot back at u or even they wont see u. second u need a good attitude because if u dont have one then ur team wont like u that much unless ur popular, but u dont need that in 1v1 games.

Flame, im on a 56k till next week *sigh* so there is alot of lag and warping. Connection is a very important part of the game. In a game with good connections and such, it doesn't become a factor. It's in those games that skill comes into play. I would have to say first shot and aim are the most important. First shot because if you get the first shot of and it  knocks his riticule you have more time to get the next shot off. Aim because if you get a head shot you don't need to worry about nex shots and your chances of being gimped are less (because hes already dead).

My reasons for sucsess

1) Aim
2) Use of secondary
3) Connection
4) Dancing


-SK

Omg Yoda u had to make a Thread just because u say u own me. I say ur better 1v1 and im better overall and wtih Teamwork. U didnt have to make a thread about it.

I made a thread because i was genuinly curious.



Obviously, either you didn't read the entire post nor the topic post or you don't care to conduct an oraganized thread. The above post is exactly what i didn't want in this thread. Please delete his post, and i would suggest a warning, he doesn't seem to focus on the topic in many of the threads he has posted in. I don't think i have the authority to say this, but as a user of the forums i think it would make it better if the standards were raised, not much but to the effect that spammers are not tollerated.

Back to the topic, another thing that I think is important is the ability to hide and infiltrate (stealth). If you get behind a person it doesnt matter how  fast you aquire the target because most of the time he's aiming.

Talk about tooting your own horn. lol

It's probably only Typhy that accuses himself of aimbotting.  Who the hell accuses others of aimbotting in RS?!  I doubt Typhy has even seen an aimbot at work.

Why is it when a thread about how to be the best RS player pop's up it's always the ?Ks telling you how in big long paragraphs?

Viper you fucking dumbass. What the hell is your problem?? 'Til you got me ban from GameRanger, I'd never even fucking met you! Also, I go through this thread, and I see one thing that I wrote that was a few paragraphs, other than that, nothing posted by an |?K|. Viper, I acepted that you got me ban from GameRanger, but now I've seen some things that you've said, and I detirmined that you're just a fucking idiot. You say "Who the hell acuses other RS players of Aimbotting". - That comment is so you, you suck at RS, so you've never been acused of having an aimbot, the Cunt clan acused me in a public forum of having body armor. There are so many cool KoS, and then there are just a few assholes like you that give the whole clan a bad name in my thoughts. - Fuck you Viper.

-Typhy

 ok, i'll try to bring this back on topic here

all of you have left out one major thing(cow was close to it) and that is strategy.  i like to try to out think my opponents.hide in plain sight, when they think you'll go left, go right, that sort of thing.   if i come up behind you ar from the side and you're focusing where i should be, i don't care how well you aim or dance or how well you use your secondary. unless i seriously fuck up, you should be dead, and i shouldnt even have been shot at.
that brings me to another point
situational awareness.

know when something isnt quite right. know how many enemies have been killed, and how many team mates do you have left. check around you at all times. if you do that, then you cant be flanked, because while i'm setting up my shot, or rushing towards you, you'll turn around and can probably blast me while i'm still in the 'oh shit' phase (remember most humans have a reaction time of 3/4 of a second if they KNOW something is going to happen) look around you occasionaly.
and know the landscape. bullets cant come through walls, thus reducing the angle you have to watch. it also helps when you have been cought by suprise and need to high tail it out of there before they  make you into a piece of swiss cheese

doy, i got accused of being invincible.

Sorry Typhy, I'm just sick of arrogant ?Ks, that's all.  Nothing against you.

Well Viper, you've got nothing to be sick of in that case based off of this thread. - I made a long post explaining what I've found to be good tactics, I appriciate you're saying sorry though.

Ty Brian...finally not one retarded reply on this post. Brian basically hit it on the dot. I mean when u guys play do u THINK! that is the key to rs. I mean i dont know about u guys but that is why i havent carried hbs forever. I basically know where everyone is at all times...if i dont know exactly then i know the general area. The key to RS is to use ur head..fuck your aiming their is not one person who can aim so much better than another when it comes to being l33t. Anyways Brian thanks for finally getting this shit straight.

i've read alot of interesting bs about "team players" and "teamwork" making someone  a good rs player...

teamwork is a definate aspect of RS, but, if your teammate dies before you in a cb, and your facing 2 people on a diff team. its much better to be someone who can be clutch in situations were your outnumbered, rather than a team player.
and like tech mentioned, its all about using your head, just visualize were people will be, you pick that up though experience with maps

yep, brain got it pretty well, one thing he didnt mention, is how your enemy will play. Though i dont know if this wasnt mentioned, but most elites know where their enemy is heading. Also the "l33ts" know how to get out of heavy fire fights alive.

And above all, all "l33t5" know how to use c4 very effectively.  ;)

like tech i also rarely use hbs.
only when i'm spotting enmys for others, or after a min or 2 when you have no clue where anyone is any more (met is an excelent example)

Proably kinda an odd spot to state this question, but does anyone know how far the range of an HB Jammer is? Is it the same as an HB?

first off, let me say that i would log in, but everytime i click on a thread, i am suddenly logged out

i think this libary comp is set to not accept cookies

anyway to answer typhys question i think the hbs has a longer range, i've seen people come towards me on hbs and then dissapear after they got closer than a certian range

i like this new forum, all the good smilie faces  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/ass.gif)

..anyways, i'd say there's 2 simple, basic things that effect how well you play rs (or any online action game, for that matter):

1. Strategy
2. Hardware performance (computer speed, tcp connect)

Strategy, as most of you mentioned earlier is how skillfull a person is at shooting and moving, as well as teamwork and covering each other.

Hardware. I can't believe anyone would state this doesn't effect a gamer's performance. I find it hard to believe a person playing on a G3 yosemite on a 56 connect could beat someone on a quiksilver and dsl even WEEKly. I used to play the OOA's when the first started playing, (i had been playing for almost 4 months before) but they always beat me. I later found out that Rob was on a t3 connect while i was on a 56. Connection speed is DEFINETLY an effector in game performance.

Skills come with time, hardware comes with money, you need both to be a great player.

alot of good players play on shit comps...
like ejo with his 333mhz revB iBook, and geek usa
typhy there is a site that explains alot about RS including hbs stuff...
http://www.piestactics.com/ (http://www.piestactics.com/)
enjoy