*DAMN R6 Forum

I did what i had to do to keep my guys online... MP5 knew we had to play 2 cbs today... after the cb was over today he (Typhy) goes afk an changes his name to *dinner*.... so we wait.. an wait... and wait some more... his members telling me they dont have to play the other cb today....

Excuse me BUT NO WE DONT AGREE TO THE EXTENTION.

TYPHY NEVER SHOWED TO PLAY... you guys want the cb to happend? Have him play when he's supposed to play!@

Some of you admins think its both of our clans fault for Typhy posting on Saturday... We asked him to go to an admin... i talked to the admins and he decided to post... he closes his room down an some of his guys go offline... hes posting and not talking to an admin and ITS OUR FAULT?

We waited all night saturday we waited ALL NIGHT LONG Sunday... and changed schedules becuase we didnt want to break any rules.... WERE STILL HERE.....


And i DONT AGREE WITH ADMINS BENDING THE RULES (AGAIN) TO FIT TYPHY!@!@##@

Tomorrow i have plans... I need to do everything i missed out on this past weekend, trying to get my clan to do all these cbs.... Tomorrow i will be with my sick gf... and the other guys will go on with their lives... until we have to cb c| in the finals bracket...

Rules cant be bent AGAIN...

Why have rules if you can just change it to suit one of the admins?

You know eight.. as an admin ... Im wondering the same thing.. as an admin I try to follow the rules strictly.. Y .. well.. if we dont go by the rules.. then y do we have rules!!

Really Lee?

Then as an Admin, you would follow the rules about three admins making a decision?  Oh, guess not.

Yes.. but i will voice my opinion on a ruling that gooes against the BL rules.. That like saysing.. welll typhy is an admin.. so lets let him slide once again.. and bend to rules for him once again...FUCK THAT SHIT!!... I can post my feeling in the admin forums w/ out one of you guys saying.. ohh.. harvey.. your envolved in this (as a member of one of the clans that is a part of this issue) so you sould SU.... well here... I dont have to fucking SU!.. now i  was on all day long (i left the powerboook oline all night so that if i was needed for the cb and i was sleeping .. it would wake me up). I played in one cb against mp5.. got ready for the second cb..and then mp5 goes off line.. knowing that we had anoher cb to play....... I was told earlier by some of the mp5 guys.. when i asked them when his guys were goingto be on... to suck his dick.. and all i was doing was seeing when the first cb was going to happen.. (i took SS of this)... I'm rely tired of Typhy chlildish fucking bull shit!!!!!!!!!

BTW bucc i like you.. you are a good guy.. but.. im sry.. im not going to be bullied around by typhy jusy b/c he thinks he is a "vet".. you know.. if i still hhad my original account (that is on the 8600 powermac) I would be alot olderthen his... I'm just tired of the same oold BS over and over w/ the same fucking person.. typhy

Lee, that implies that the three of us are just puppets of Typhy's, that blindly follow his lead.  Which you should know is not the case.

Then why bend the rules to suit him?

Nobody did anything to suit him.  Too bad you can't hear that.

Like I said, I'm done with this, leave me out of it from now on Eight, or things will just get ugly.

Play the Extension (http://mac-gamers.no-ip.com/images/chats.sit)

So its ok for and admin that is in the same clan to make an admin ruling? ( i.e voodoo a2 and typhy a2)  And not to mention the fact that voodoo himself had recent issues concerning the finals against BTs in the RvS ladder.   I don't know, but seems very stange that the decission went against us.  Maybe I'm just grasping at straws.  But voodoo quoted BL rules in his attempt to have a cb nulled.  And now he breaks them.  I hate to say it vood's, but looks like pay back time to me.  So I hope that the admins are pleased with themselves.   The finals no matter what will be tarnished by a forfeit.  Or maybe they knew we would react this way, and it was there way of getting us out of the finals.  Well boys you did it, congratulations on a job NOT well done.

And btw, I do remember voodoo saying something about its not fare!  But this is?  I think not!


nj, gg, you win


static

The funny thing about that static is that elandrion came oonline to PROOVE that we were on time with the posting....

|MP|Buccaneer.kdx: 1) it's in everyones best interests to see the CB's played.

pfft.... EVERYONE? or Typhy?

|MP|Buccaneer.kdx: 2) Both Clans are at fault for not playing them earlier, or setting up times that worked better.

We were there waiting... where was mp5? We were even online waiting for them to get guys online after our cb with zt which was hours before the defualt time....

|MP|Buccaneer.kdx: 3) both clans share responsibility for what happened in yesterday's CB.

Both do? When we asked Typhy to go to an ADMIN and not to post... which he posted first and then talked to admins... becuase of this his players left... which then the decision was decided on and we still waited for typhy to get back online....

and THIS IS OUR FAULT?

What do you suggest as an alternative eight? Since everything your admins try to do is so wrong, what do you think is the solution? I hear a lot of whining, and nothing to help the situation. That makes me a bit edgy, if you cant tell. Do not flame me, do not respond by arguing, just answer that simple question without any of your usual outpourings of loud nothing.

Ara

Well in essence, the resolution has been put forward.  We only ask for a logical platform to the decision handed down.  To us the solution is just one to keep the CB alive without considering what had occured.  Sure some reasoning was given with the saturday issue (I wasn't involved so I have as much info as much as any 3rd party has), but in all factual evidence, with the way we have been admonished in the past about rules, it just doesn't make sense.  

Truly, I can see the reasoning for a CB to occur, but it is now at the other clans convenience.  True they said tomorrow would be better than today, but we made all efforts to adhere to the rules that stated a CB must occur at all costs by said time at said date.

So with that statement you are saying we are being penalized for doing what we were told.  In all honesty that was the conclusion.  So if that's the decision based on the administrators reasoning, then we said no to an extension and let the next decision be handed down.

Like I said, make the utmost arguement for why we should accept the decision based on merit and facts, and then we can see if we will accept or decline.

thanks,

Let's all just let this rest now and let the counsel/admins post one final decision.  No more arguing nonsense with cursing and crap.  Just fact for fact, response to fact, we are adults in a somewhat democratic base here, let's act like it.

Ok All,  This is going nowhere.

I will try to put some light on the situation the best I can.


fact:  BTs had 4 or more able bodies to cb anytime on Saturday.  MP5 stopped the cb in the middle with something to      do with the rules.  I have no clue what the issue was.

fact:  Both clans MP5 and BTs knew that atleast 2 or 3 cb's would have to be played on Sunday.  It was posted in the forums.

fact:  MP5 didn't show up till the default cb time for the first cb knowing more than one cb was to be played

fact:  After the first cb was completed MP5 knew a second cb was need and acknowleged by 5150 "  Typhy will be back in 15 minutes"  we can continue then.

fact:  After waiting for about 1 hour for typhy to return, eight had to take his sick girl home.  He did check with an admin to ok this, splinter.  He was told it was ok as long as BTs had enough players online.  Bts still had 4 or more players ready to go.

fact:  BTs had 4 or more palyers online to continue the matches need to be finished by 12 am pst.  (I have plenty of ss to support this)


Ok after all this I would like MP5 to add there version and let the admins rethink the out come.

As it stands now BTs WILL NOT cb MP5 today or at any other time in the finals.  We feel we were wronged and will not continue in the semi-finals if extension is to be upheld.


Take your time and reply with fact reasons not rants.

Thanks all

static

Theres Always issues in Finals :S hehe.. Remember Last Season ? we had 2 wait for playing em cuz a dumb guy "broke rules" and got banned for em ? =P <<<<<<



No Flame here just bored :P

I have posted this in the admin section, here are my thoughts:

After reviewing multiple chat logs, threads and screenshots, I have reconsidered my position regarding the extension.

Chain of events:

Saturday - BTs and MP5 begin their first CB.? After 1 match there is a question about the ruling.? Typhy posted the issue, and after discussion eight asked to continue the match 45 minutes later.? Typhy had said all of his members had gone offline and they could not continue.? From what I gather, BTs remained online ready to play for an additional 4 hours on Saturday.

Sunday - the CB starts at 7pm PST with from what BTs tells me, the intention of doing both CBs today.? The CB was completed at 7:33pm PST.? Both Harvery and eight tell me then that Typhy changed his name to put a .dinner tag on it, without speaking to BTs about scheduling the remaining matches.? Time passes, and from what I witnessed personally, various MP5 went offline, while there were plenty of BTs online waiting to continue.? At around 9:20pm PST Typhy messaged Lee Harvey asking for an extension.? At around 9:10pm I spoke with 5150, and he said that his impression was that MP5 had no intention of continuing with the CBs tonight.? From the time the first CB had ended there as 4 hours and 27 minutes to continue playing the cbs.? Again, i witnessed BTs up and ready to play up until the end of the regulation round.

From what I've seen BTs made every possible effort to play the CBs after the dispute was settled on saturday, and after the first cb was finished on sunday.? So far from what I see, MP5 made little effort to get the CBs done. The arguement was made about 'a deadline is a deadline'.? Well that stands for here too.? First round of finals ended at 12:00am PST, and BTs from what I see, was ready to go up to and past that deadline.

Im my opinion, 'my team signed off' is not a valid reason for not continuing the cbs.  They should have been told to stay online.  You have a rain delay in baseball, do the teams go home?  no, they wait and see if the games can be finished.  these are the finals, if you signed up for the league, then you made the commitment to get these games done.  if you can't fulfill that commitement on time, then you forfeit.


On a side note, I am disappointed in many of the admins when it comes to the forfeit rulings.  Over the 5 season I have been active in the BL there have been plenty of cases that teams have been in forfeit by the strict definition of the rules, but not once has any match been ruled a forfeit.  What is the point on having this rule in the books, if it's not going to be enforced?  The main reason I hear for ruling against forfeits is, 'no one wants to see a forfeit'.  I don't understand why we are so suprised that we're in these situations, when clans know there will be no concequences for their actions.

after what i?ve read so far in both public forum and in adminzone... i completely agree with Splinter here.
BTs tried everything to play the games in time and prooved it. in my eyes the MP5 clan broke the rules with not being there to finish the semi-finals before the deadline.

to the forfeit-rulings... i completely agree with you there, Splinter, also. rules are rules and if a clan or player cant follow em then there have to be consequences, enforcement of the rules. if the rules say forfeit, it?s forfeit!

I know you guys would like to post your support, but there is still no progress with a another time frame fast approaching.  We were told that this decision was one dealt down from the Admin's, so let the reply be the same.

One coherent post from the admin's.  You see what I mean, if you guys can't reason amongst yourselves as to how to rule fairly, then why accept what has been ruled.  In a sense we are fed the madness, handed down by madness, so we must accept madness.  Well, then madness you will be dealt back.  

See how all of this revolves and revolves.  It takes the strength of a single voice to lead people and to be believed in, but we still feel everything so far is unjust.  Now this is even supported by the bickering by admin's.

All I asked was for one clear cut argument with support to be handed to us so that we may make one educated response to the ruling.  Now let's get it together and figure out how you want to rule the league. If not we all know that we can do what we want next season and hope that it will go our way instead of knowing that a decision will be handed down.  One that is straightforward, logical, and sticking to its own rules.  

Until then we just flop along, time will pass, and nothing will be resolved.

thanks,

Static, you and your theory can go where the sun dont shine. Dont try and pull me into this and try making me look like the bad guy here.

If any clan here is at a disadvantage it is MP5. They know they need to have the default number of players on(4 vs 4) and they know the cb needs to be played at the default time(9PM EST). And they know if they dont have 4 players on they will have to play short handed.

And wtf static, I was the only admin that made this dicision? NO! There was me, Buc, Splinter, and now Flies. Only Splinter has changed his mind on this. DONT NOT GRASP AT STRAWS AND DO NOT TRY TO SLANDER MY NAME, any more of that will be delt with my delete button and a warning/suspension from forums.

and civic has said that he is w/ splinter on this one

Static did not say anything out of line and he did not "slander" your name (you do that just fine on your own).  Any attempt to delete his posts and/or give him a warning or suspension because he said something you don't like will be dealt with harshly BY ME.  I will not stand by while an admin abuses his power.  Static is just as much a member of this forum as you are.  I am just as much of a member of this forum as you are.  We all, collectively, own this Battle League because we are all, collectively, members of it.  It's about time some of the admins start acting like admins instead of 10 year old little brats (hell, my 4 year old daughter acts more mature than some of you).  And where is Mauti in all of this.  I know he has been busy, but he really needs to get personally involved in this one before the admins collectively destroy the Battle League.

On that note, does anyone have Mauti's phone number in Austria.  I think I'm going to look it up if I can and call him....he really needs to be here for this.

-GhostSniper Out.

LOL, sorry but I don't think we need to call him.

But in the words of my grandma, you have the moxy and initiative that I kind of like, go give em hell.


Oh yeah, BTs guys, I know we all want to get our 2 cents in here but random posts about other issues won't get us forward, just side to side.  Take up the issues after the main one has been resolved.  Then you can be released onto the tangent you feel necessary.  I think I can fairly ask you too wait for the final response requested and stay away from getting this convo out of hand again.

thanks,  

Senior Fahqen loco

Well, there's your weak-ass ruling.  I'm going to AA land to blow off some steam before I buy a plane ticket for an around the world flight with about 6 stop-offs so I can bitch slap some people.

Wonder how much it would cost to buy the rights to the Battle League from Mauti?  Then I could just eliminate the really bad seeds in here.

Okay, I'm just fed up.  Sorry guys.  I better go to the shooting range now and take some aggression out with my Glock before I explode.

Later,

-GhostSniper Out.

wasn't the presence of more admin and a 3 admin consensus supposed to eliminate the need for this?

hasn't mauti said to leave it to the admins?
or do we all just have selective memory?


the point is if you do not let the admin ruling stand, then what is the point of the admins in the first place?

ive read every post on this issue and i think i understand whats going on here so i will voice my opinion: ive been around GR and GhR/RS a while and i see that Typhy used one of the oldest tricks in the book to weasil there way out of a tight spot. all i can say is that typhy u are a COWARD. you strute around like ur the top dog just because uve signed up for GR before a lot of people well guess what NO ONE GIVES A FUCK. so basically im getting at is CONGRADULATION BL STAFF U GOT PLAYED.


hooks

on that same note.. If we dont follow the rules as writen.....whats the point in having rules anyway??

BTW.. how can voodoo vote on this isue.. he is in a clan w/ typhy (a2) so even though he is not directly envolved he is in a clan w/ typhy for AA..

also how is voodoo allowed to make a ruling on this match if he is in a clan with typhy (a2). i know there not in the same RvS clan but still he wouldnt vote againt his fellow clan member. its my opinion u should not allow him to vote on this subject.



hooks

it's the same thing as the us federal court system.

the law is written
there is a dispute
the federal court interprets the law
changes are made to the law
rulings are made to mend the dispute caused by the law
life goes on

mauti wrote the rule
BTs and MP5 had the dispute.
the admins have interpreted what should be done.
clarifications will be made after the finals
the admins have handed down a solution to the problem

so why are we having problems on the easiest possible step?

there are still 3 other consenting admins besides voodoo, the decision should stand

but splinter changed his ruling on the matter so it would only be 2


hooks

since you aren't an admin or moderator billy, you are not privy to what goes on in those boards, but suffice it to say that bucc was had already asked once to be left out of this and hadn't, and voodoo is simply trying to regain control of the mess which has long left the polite realm of polite discussion

BFG
Aramarth
Flies

i count 3 consenting admins

also i believe that splinter may have changed his mind again to support this course of action

Ok Im not writing it twice so just go and read brains post again as he has posted it so clearly.

The Ruling was made and agreed by Five Admins. Even not counting Voodoo's vote there are Four: Myself, Splinter, Aramarth, Flies.

 There is no discussion on this. End of topic.


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The score stands at 1-0, MP5.

We've got a couple hours left to get this CB. I think it's within the best interest of both clans that it gets done. We're ready as soon as you are. What times are convient for you?

LOL, no need to start another thread.  It will only result in another day of immense retardation.  

PS. I wouldn't wait up too late for us to show.

next week nobody will care anyways, it's just a game wrapped in some complex questions nobody can answer.

Typhy, are you really just trying to encourage another flamewar?  Because just seeing you having posted a subject with this title, i knew was a recipe for disaster.  And lo, i was proven right after reading your post.  Veiled in alleged innocence, your post is nothing but flaimbait for BTs.  Sad...really sad.

~Lone-Wolf
(just keep in mind this post doesnt reflect the views of my clan in any way, incase anyone was going to try and make a point about that)

WEwere waitoing last night during the official last few hrs of the first round.. where were you???

For me it's simple Splinter.  If I think both clans are at fault, that either clan could have fixed it, I have a hard time awarding one a forfeit over the other.

Like I stated when we talked, and I still actually believe, I think both clans acted like asses, didn't do what they could have done, what they should have done.  And as long as that's my opinion, I couldn't see awarding a forfeit.

One more note, since that is the ultimate punishment, it has to be used only when you are absolutely sure it's right.  Again, my opinion.