*DAMN R6 Forum

Hello,

I would first like to spologize to the clans that participated in Season 7 in AA.  We had signed up for AA but got caught up in the other leagues that were going on, so i do apologize for not playing in that league.  It is always a blast to play AA and knowing that the only clans that are in AA are well known in the Mac community, it should be a shitload of fun next season to take on some of the best Mac gamers in the world.  
 
The Network will be a sight for sore eyes to see in this next season.  Hopefully they will allow us to borrow their server from time to time for CB's.  

Bts I hear has some guys that are pretty good as well.  This should be a treat for us since there arent many people that play AA in Gameranger, and since Bts is always in the top 5 in almost every league it should make things interesting.

A2 of course is the compilation of many different clan members from AA that should as well be interesting cause there is such a diversity of players that are within the clan.  And knowing that they have Typhy with his PC on their team it should be quite interesting =)

Toxic.  Well they have heart, that's for sure, and since they are now considered veterans within the league for AA it should be interesting to see how they do next season.

Again, my apologies from my whole clan on not doing any AA cb's this season.  But I can promise we will for season 8, so practice and be ready everyone, cause I think the AA season is going to take off next season for a lot of us.  

Hopefully enough clans can be online to have a finals for season 8.   Congrats BTs for winning the AA this season.  Well played.

:MoD:Saberian

The .::|N|etwork Server II (AA) is always available for anyone who want to use it for a cb

Just get a hold of any .::|N|etwork member or leave a message on our forum

www.cwdim.com/forum

It is a 16 man server

Wouldnt that be fun to get 8v8 going i am looking forward to it.

w00t you know BTs will be there!

I'm looking forward to going to war with u cats...!

Be sure to bring your knives!

We'll have our guns ready and blazing! HooAH!

Yeah, our server is up all the time now too 69.25.17.152 it also is 16 person.

Lets make Season VIII a fun one for AA'ers.

I would be more than happy to kill anyone who wants to play AA with me :)

Come one, come all!!!

-GhostSniper patiently waiting.

Sweet,

I am glad to hear you guys are gung-ho about next season in AA cause I am hoping that it will be much more entertaining then some of the other ladders that have been produced.  Plus, since there is almost no cheating online cause of punkbuster it makes it even more of a blast.  Hope to see you guys on the battlefield.

:MoD:Saberian

fA][ Has Some Nice AA Players too.. i hope we can get a team 2 cb next season =) -  But That's Ubertako you gotta talk you :) -


Since i cant play AA On This Comp, Then i'll stick 2 GhR / RvS

Since the .::|N|etwork's return to the DBL, I would hope we can, AT THE LEAST, keep the AA ladder clean from the following:  BITCHING, FLAMING, AND SHIT TALKING!

Im sure everyone on this ladder will agree that we can work out an problems that may arise.  Also, was it concluded that we can have a select group moderating the AA ladder from each clan?  I think this would be very beneficial.  This moderators have to be playin AA for the clans- I would assume.  

Any thoughts?

Sounds fair enough. As for moderators...i think there already are AA moderators. Infact there are moderators to the left and right. No need for new ones... Reduce them i say!

Have you Downloaded the newest AA map D?...The seattle arch  ;D

Ouch... Teabagged by a cup shitter... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/ass.gif)

I think there should be 3 or more AA admins.

Are we talking about totally seperate AA admins from the current admins looking after GhR and RvS?? I beleive there are currently several admins who play AA... but im not sure.

BFG, there are AA Admins actually.  I believe Typhy is/was one of them, and I think Rebel was one last season.  Those two should know.  I think there were only 2 or 3; something like that.  Personally, I think the AA Admins should come from clans who only play AA, or close to it.  It would be difficult to be an Admin for AA if you are playing GhR and RvS, and then play AA a little bit.  I think there are 3 clans who are like that, or pretty much have been like that.

.::|N| Noto

The way I feel about it, if your clan participates in the game, and you are an admin, then you have a say in that area.

Typhy is the exception to the rule because he's in a couple clans, Hazard is in the RvS clan with him, and is also an admin here.  

The only goal is to not have one clan influence the league unfairly.  I think we accomplish that right now.

But I don't think we should draw lines saying "ok, you can only comment or vote on things involving Ghost Recon, I can only do the same for RvS".  I think we are much better off not drawing those kinds of lines.  I think most of us are smart enough to know how much effort to put into a ladder our clans aren't playing on.  For example, while I can make a suggestion about points in AA, or scheduling, or other matters, I would not involve myself with talks of maps, glitches, etc, because I don't play it enough to give a valid opinion.  Unlike with Ghost Recon where I used to play it, and unless it's a new map, I feel comfortable that my opinion is still valid.

So, please, let's not draw the distinctions.

Most of what I think Bucc says I can agree with.  Although i do agree with Noto in that only clans that have admins that are also participating in AA should be  allowed to have admins to control the AA parts of the ladder.  AA really need people that play the game to help decide what is going on with it.  It's like haivng a GM tachnician work on a Ford.  It can be done but dosent make sense.  So I do believe that only admins that have clans that are signed up for BL and actually play should have admins that can speak for AA since AA is so much different then Rvs or GR.  I do know they share the same gaming engine, but that is where the similarity ends.  So it would be hard for any admin that dosent play AA regularly to be able to determine a specific situation within the game to reasonably.  AA is a completely different style of gameplay comaratively and should be treated that way.  I am sure most of the people here can agree with that.

I am not saying  that the admins that dont play AA cant handle it mentally.  I am just saying that to be able to make a true judgement call for AA you really have to play AA on a regular basis.  So for now only clans that were signed up for AA this season weather they played or not should be able to have their admins judge for next season, as long as they sign up to play for next season.   The only time an admin should respond to an AA issue that wasnt on the list for last season should at least play 5 cb's this upcoming season to participate in the cb admin status.  I think something like that would be fair.  

It is true that only 6 games were played last season and because of that is why I thought that it should be every clan that signed up for BL AA last season to make it more diverse until other clans there were not on the BL list can cb 5 times, then there admin can be added to the lineup accordingly.  Anyway, it's just an idea.


:MoD:Saberian

Correction:

Hazard left MP5 a while ago.

Umm just so u guys know...we at a2 are think bout workin on our own ladder. Based off a challange system where all clans register then for example Eight goes onto our league and click a2 and clicks challange. When i log into the league i will have a thing say that ive been challanged. I then either accept, or wait 24 hours and the challange goes away. When i accept the challange i will choose 2 dates for the match to possibly be played. Then when eight logs on again he will see that i accepted and he will get to choose the final date out of the two. Once he picks the time, his page will refresh with the match info saying the time and on that page a map will have been randomly chosen using the a2 map randomizer that will be built into the site. This way there is no advantage for anyone and skill we be proven without advantages. Sound good? Throw ur input here.

I like everything except the map generator and the 24 hour limit.

I don't like the map thing, because what if it picks an ?ber crappy map like recon? Can you decide what maps are randomized?

As for the 24 hour limit, I don't like that because what happens if you want to consult your clan members first for a time that's good for them?

Just things to consider.

Yes you can, you just need to take out the maps that wont be allowed to be played on.


Thats why you have 2 days, not to mension plenty of members to choose from. This is the norm. for PC ladders like TWL.

The whole point of the 24 hours is to prevent clans from ignoring stronger clans challanges. This way, if the #1 clan challanges the #2 clan, but the 2 clan is afraid and doesnt wanna war, they wont be able to war a weaker clan until 24 hours from then. This way people are warring the weaker clans to get points. The point system will also be changed to prevent clans who only war the weak from getting high on the ladder.

I dont think in AA theres a problem with clans not cbing eeach other... just clans not showing up for cbs...

random map thing is SHIT.

How about 1 team picks side and map? then after thats done the other team picks side and map....?

At least everyone willbe happy

ughh... i dont really play AA ... but i hvae played it.. it isn't shit just havn't got time lately :O) .. But i agree With eight here, it would be more fair (for the clans) heh

Stripes

Well, I am a simple person to be honest.  I think that it's best that for now we just use DAMN BL.  I know that Rebel has a good idea about the clan challenging thing and whatnot, but to be honest it's tough enough managing a clan with 3 different ladders, let alone a whole new BL.  And to be honest I think it's kewl that DAMN is letting us use their league to make AA grow for the Mac.  We have pretty much everything we need here to the point of admins, a decent and well used forum, and almost everyone that is into BL playing is quite aware of the DAMN BL.  That just makes it easier to get more clans into the BL.  By making another BL it will just divide the clans as it is because most clans dont want to play on two different Battle Leagues.  Most of you guys replying to this topic know AA like the back of ure hand.  But we also know what happens when people have tried to start a seperate Macintosh BL.  There just arent enough of us at this time to do that, especially for AA.  Although I do believe that everyone here can make a huge difference in making the DAMN AA BL a great thing if they are willing to put a little time into it, it just all depends on how much you love AA, and weather or not you are willing to share those ideas to be used on DAMN since everyone here obviously uses DAMN as it is for their cbing needs.

:MoD:Saberian  

Clans can organize their battles here on damn, in the bl section, like we always do now.
But to settle a cb the challenged clan must have time to talk to their members, and sometimes not all members are online every day. That's why the opossing clan should post on the clan's forum too, if possible. And I want more time, say about 3-5 days or mb a week, because when some US clan challenges us for a cb during the week and some of our members don't come online and don't have time to watch the forum, it seams we chicken out for the cb, while we actually didn't see the challenge or didn't have time to respond.
Also when a clan accepts a challenge but by some problem don't have the amount of players online that day, they should inform the other clan at least 2hrs or more before the cb that they won't be able to play. That way the date can be set to another day, so no clan is forced to forfeit.
If the clan doesn't show up and didn't inform the other clan, by saying a simple "sorry, but we can't play the cb in 2hrs, mb we can set up another date". Then it should be a forfeit to me. There are still circumstances, like when someone has to go to hospital or some other important matter, where the other clan shouldn't be forced into a forfeit, but that's up to the clans itself.

I don't really like the random map generator either, altough it can be fun factor playing more different maps, then always the same. It forces you to come up with tactics on all the maps, like in ghr.

The real reason I quoted eight was the next thing: How about 1 team picks side and map? then after thats done the other team picks side and map....?
NO WAY I'm gonna play this way, you know why? Because if say: we take CSAR assault and lose 3-4, everything fine we can still come back on the next map... But hey, the other team then desides to take BRIDGE DEFENSE. Well the only thing we can is that their map choice is lame, but we can't do shit about it. Its almost certain we're gonna lose this one...
The way it would be ok; 1st team picks map and side, then after the 1st match we switch sides. Then the hosts clan picks map and side and switch after the 1st match. If it is a tie, the amount of games that each clan won will be the deciding factor.
ex: 4-3 ; 2-4 ; 2-4 ; 4-2 (2nd clan wins)
OK the cb would last a bit longer, but isn't this about having fun?

The a2 ladder is ok by me, I will talk to my clan if they want to join up. But does it have a future? Isn't it gonna be a dead ladder? Like the siege one on here, or the BTs team ladder? The only reason the 1v1 ladder on BTs was active, was because there wasn't any alternative.

I wish you all the luck with the ladder,
and lets us have some fun AA cb's next season, with some more active clans.

Cya there,
th.Sent
 ;)

Hey, SF Recon is one of the best maps on America's Army.  I love that map!  I don't know why more people in my clan don't like it, but it is one of my favorites!

why not make it that every clan has to cb all of the other clans a certain amount of times before the end of the season. This way everyone plays the same amout of cbs and everyone faces the same amount of compition.

-a2-RAH-66

and BTW i like the random map idea

and for finals: team 1 (of regular season) cbs team 4 and team 2 cbs team 3. then the winner of the two cbs plays for the championship. The higher ranked team picks the map but has to declare it 48 hours before the cb.

-a2-RAH-66

8 the whole reason for the random map is to make things fair. Trust me with the way things are going now....no one will want to challange another clan due to the fact that now that all clans know the rules they will practice the hell out of 2 maps and make sure they cant lose. This prevents people from wanting to challange. Plz pull ur head out of ur ass and think about this one before u go on a "anything reb says is wrong" rant. PC ladders use it and i feel its a great thing. TWL is one that uses it cause we used at all 9 wars we had on TWL before they told us we couldnt war cause we couldnt run a stupid PC anti cheat program. BTW we were 7-2 on TWL. TWL is run the same way as i described earlier.

If you guys dont want to do it on aanother ladder why not work this into DAMN? I mean mauti if u see this do u think u could work it out? or would u like me to contact TWL and see if they could help yah do it? One clan picking a map is totally unfair. U have to see it from my the defending teams view. If i challanged u on a map that my clan plays everyday and u never play would it be fair to you? No it wouldnt.

Now that i think about it eight....that just might work. Running it like RS. Could make for some sweet matches. I will input it with the AA admins. Wow thats the nicest thing ive said to Eight ever.....

If the admin of this AA League is making decisions for the best intrest of the Ladder, then use the random map thingy and let all maps be playable.  You cant remove a map from the ladder just cause you "Lag."  If you lag on a certain map because your computer cant handle it, then you better pray that the random thingy dosent pick that map.  Get over it and move on.  Any major revisions to the rules of this ladder can me made next season when an ACTUAL full season has been played.  

Maybe the rules can be followed? regardless of the ladders?

another suggestion... STOP BENDING THE RULES TO SUIT TYPHY

The suggestion of RAH is actually very reasonable, make the AA ladder more like a tournament, like competition soccer/football. Clans subscribe to the AA ladder and play each other a certain amount of times 2 - 3 - 4 ...

It will be up to the clans to settle the date of the cb. The maps will be randomly generated by damn and placed on the specific cb.

Ex.

Clan A vs Clan D on maps MOUT mckenna - Weapons Cache

Then those two maps will be played during the cb and on each map two matches where teams switch side.

The only thing I don?t like on a tournament ladder is the pointsystem we use now. I don?t know if the pointsystem will work here... Mb go back to a fixed point system.

I also like the tournament version because then no one can complain about clans that only play the weakest on the ladder. Everyone needs to cb everyone and at the end of the season we can have play-offs... With apple-commercials and cheerleaders and... ;D

No, the tournament seams a good idea to me. Makes it more exciting and mb less blabla...

Firstly, the proposal to remove certain maps because of lag was an issue.  That is a small issue to be dealt with.  The idea of reworking the entire ladder is absurd.  There is no reason to change the style in which the ladder is played.  Its a new ladde that is really only its real first season coming up with a number of projected clans willing to participate.  Reworking the style of the ladder should not be discussed due to small change suggestions to map usage.  

Like the same point system all our football leagues uses..  3 points for a win, 1 point for a draw, 0 points for a loss.

and 1 pt for an overtime loss (from hockey)

I think you guys are missing the point.  Maut has scripts written for the ladder already.  Would this be that important where he should change them again?  The point system is NOT the issue.  

Diesel, don't be so offensive.

We are only trying to make the ladder more intresting, my clan participated in the ladder, while your clan was subscribed but didn't play. All the necessary things were there, but why didn't you guys play? Why didn't you guys open the AA season last time? Why is the real first season coming up? The first season has allrdy been played, you guys just didn't compete in it.

I'm getting sick of defending every post I make, while they are just suggestions.
But it seams NEW ideas aren't welcome...

Settle down there Cowboy, Im at work and writing as if "At work."  It may sound stern but its actually not.  Dont worry us playing on the AA ladder Big Boy--save your AA experience lecture for someone else. ;)   Your experience extends to a total of a few matches before the season ended.  It really the seem like anyone competed untill the end of the season.  Your point system is a great idea, but there is an effective point system being used already.  


LOL...  Take a break from the forums.  Your reading into shit way to much.  

Is this really what we have come too? A turn based game role playing game where you look for loopholes in the previous posters post and punch below the belt...come on guys...

Group hug?

Please read my earlier post above Sentinel and you will see my intensions.   ;)

lets try to stay on topic and talk about next season, not what happened this season

Come on Noto, I know your only intentions were to defend Diesel and The Network here, but like it or not, your post isn't very friendly, please try to be nicer to Sentinel.

Guys this seems to be going nowhere.... Enought of the bitching and flaming. Get this Thread back on track or it will be locked.

Well, seems BTs will not be playing in the AA Ladder for Season VIII anyways, so none of my opinions on the subject of AA really matter (even though it is my favorite game in the world and pretty much the only ladder I participated in).  I will be keeping the BTs server up.....I just upgraded it to 20 man by the way....so the new IP is: 69.25.17.50

Come play in the server....I'll probably be spending most of my time there.  Would love to see some of you guys on there.  lol...some, not all  ;)

-GhostSniper Out.

Just cause yall are out doesnt mean we wont war....-a2- is still up for warrin yall, if you guys dont want to we can scrim or somethin....i think that we will be going with these rules next season

No longer will an AA match be one map. From now on out a match will consist of 2 maps. The challanging team (assault) will challange a clan, the defending team will accept and choose a map and side. Teams will play 6 rounds including a set up round. Then after the 6 live rounds, the challanging team will choose a map and a side. The process will repeat. Best of 12 rounds wins. This way both clans have an even opportunity to win. Tiebreaker will be decided on Mout McKenna in a best of 3 round scenario. Input?

Whats the projected time output for your Average AA cb going to be then? Just wondering after you said best of 12 rounds - i know its rare for a game to be played out but 12 x 10 plus 15 mins between and set up etc =... oh god my maths is bad... 135 mins? thats way over 2 hours isnt' it?

 I think the time issue is an inportant aspect we had to take into account with both GhR and RvS.. and AA should be no different..

The time won't be an issue, since the 2 cb's we played last season, every round lasted around 3-5 mins, and it was a 4v4. If one of the teams doesn't decide to start camping, 12 rounds would be easily played in around 1hr, 1hr30.

But I still have a problem with the map picks, Rebel, you propose to switch map after the first game has ended and then the second team picks the map. I said in an earlier post that we would get nasty situations. Where we would get more arguements and forum crap if it would be played like this.


I suggest playing less rounds but switch sides on the same map and after both teams played both sides then the other team can pick the next map. I know that the cb would last longer then. But I can only see this as fair. The only way we can still do it your way, is by the random map generator for both the maps... But then we can just switch sides aswell.

I want some more input from other clans that participate in the ladder, see what they think about this rule.

Tnx,
th.Sent

Sentinel is correct, each round is very short.  I don't think in a single CB that BTs played did the timer expire on any of the rounds.  AA is a fairly faced-paced game (not quite as fast as RvS) so the CB's go pretty quick.  I think we completed the CB we had with -a2- in under an hour.

Good stuff, i just wasn't sure - a lot of the big AA games i play online seem to start fast then slow down as defence sit back more and offence are a little more weary moving around those corners ;)

You've been playing to much with pc-players  ;)

Game rooms with around 20 ppl take more time then 4v4, 5v5 games, just because some ppl don't dare to take risks or try to win the game by sitting in a corner. It also depends from map to map...

But for me AA is less tense then playing a GhR cb. ;D