*DAMN R6 Forum

http://www.PetitionOnline.com/voter03/petition.html

Hell yes!  It's about time!!

Dr. No please enclose a reply to your own msg telling everyone why Bush should be impeached. After u bash Bush please enclose who could have done a better job and what they would have done differently. After u do that please enclose a bash on that guy and what he did wrong.

this is about 4 years too late... but ill sign.






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...the more i read this post, the more i find closet conservatives...

This is stupid because you can't impeach Bush for being a lying, cocksucking bastard.  What treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors has he committed?  He has to be guilty of an actual crime to be impeached.  Being a dumbass isn't a crime in this country.

Rebel, the list of who could have done a better job would probably look like a phone book.  Anyone not drilling for oil in Alaska, or not jailing Americans without right to trial (or even to speak to their family) for a year (and we aren't talking about terrorists, we are talking about American Citizens that have been swept up under the patriot act) would be a huge jump, and cover millions.

Bucc is right... Bush, even though I don't like him in the least way, has not committed any crimes....

...omg do some reading people.  Are you aware that the media is a slave to the white house?

OK, number one reason i would like to see Bush impeached:

1. Lying to the nation and congress about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction. Using bogus intelligence, and there by killing 500 U.S. citizens and thousands of Iraqi's.  Also known as acting like a King.

Important side note:  France, the one country that questioned this war is now openly hated by a large % of Americans.  French products, restaurants, and traditions now looked down at, not to mention french people now labeled "pussy's".  And for what? They were right all along, and now you can see for your own eye's.

Personal reasons:

1. A tax plan that does nothing but fuck our future and works wonders for large oil and utility companies.

2.  Coming up with this "No child left behind act" which has done nothing but cut $200 million.

3. Passing laws on environmental policies that do nothing but allow utility companies (many of whom are Bush campaign contributors) to profit.

4. Patriot Act.

5. Underfunding homeland security.

6.  Weird back round:
a) his military record, still unanswered.
b) the Bush family have been doing business with the Bin Ladin family for years, along with the Saudi Arabians.  I don't know about you, but if i was Bin Laden, and i got cut out of a multi billion dollar pipeline deal i would be pissed off too (i'm not in anyway trying to justify killing Innocent people [twin towers]).
c) 5K Florida vote fuck up.  We shoulda known right from the start.

Funniest thing of all:
We impeached Clinton for having an affair, something more common then toasters.  But for some reason with Bush, no one is asking any questions...

Might as well go bomb everyone because they all want us dead, and we wonder why people hate Americans.

I could go on, but i need to goto sleep now.

I'll post more later and/or follow up.

Doc
Kerry 2004

FYI.. if you read the petition.. it was written b4 the iraq shit ent down.. this was from right after the 9/11 shit... hat petition has no grounds to stand on.. now if it was about the iraq stuff that would be diff.

Dr. NO, we impeached Clinton for lying under oath, which happens to fall under the "high crime and misdemeanor" clause of the Constitution.

As for Bush, to impeach him you would have to prove that intelligence did not point to Iraq having WMDs, which is a pretty tall task. If you could, then you might have grounds for impeachment.

However, the proper way to get Bush of out office is to NOT VOTE FOR THE FUCKING IDIOT. Don't abuse a part of the Constitution to suit your short-term goals. Good money says it will come back to bite you in the ass later.

Dr No, I can read, but can you?  None of those things are crimes (you may say criminally stupid, but stupidity is not a crime in our nation).

If lying to the nation was a crime (while not under oath) every single politician since George Washington and Honest Abe would have been impeached (well, they did try to impeach Johnson right after Abe).  They all lie to some degree.  It's not a crime.

You're right.  But we should be able to hold presidents more accountable somehow.  It's become too common to blow smoke.  Shouldn't Bush be forced to testify or something with this current intelligence probe?  Or is he immune because the administration is the one which called for it? Don't forget that this investigation was scheduled (by the administration) so that it will not conclude until way after the 2004 elections.  

So grounds for impeachment may be off? How about a censure?
http://www.moveon.org/news/2313-2.html

Ssickboy

? Mass Campaign Finance Reform
? Automatic Run-off elections
? A real friggin world leading education system.

Hell, I vote we censure moveon.org!

How fucking biased can you get (the website was created by Hilary Clinton and other leaders in the Democrat Party, by the way)

Just look at the bottom of the page:

"The MoveOn family of organizations consists of three entities. MoveOn.org, a 501(c)(4) organization, primarily focuses on education and advocacy on important national issues. MoveOn.org PAC, a federal PAC, primarily helps members elect candidates who reflect our values. And MoveOn.org Voter Fund, a 527 organization, primarily runs ads exposing President Bush's failed policies in key "battleground" states."

Why don't you people "move on" to something a little more "fair and balanced" that doesn't try to distort the world that we live in.

-GhostSniper Out.

"Hey! Look at me! I'm attacking the President! Aren't I clever?"

when whining complaints appear in the press (or in this forum), you should always ask yourself a question: "what exactly has this complainant ever attempted or accomplished?" then, remember Teddy Roosevelt's great speech:

it is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. the credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, and comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat. - TR, one of our greatest Presidents.

"i think the Democrats can be fairly charged with chronic whining, and they ought to look at themselves first and foremost."? -Ralph Nader

yeah, so what?  you assume that anything against Bush is bad, and biased.  No, we're just pissed.  Thanks for the segway GS...

http://www.moveon.org/about/
Who started MoveOn?
MoveOn was started by Joan Blades and Wes Boyd, two Silicon Valley entrepreneurs. Although neither had experience in politics, they shared deep frustration with the partisan warfare in Washington D.C. and the ridiculous waste of our nation's focus at the time of the impeachment mess. On September 18th 1998, they launched an online petition to "Censure President Clinton and Move On to Pressing Issues Facing the Nation." Within days they had hundreds of thousands of individuals signed up, and began looking for ways these voices could be heard.

The MoveOn Peace campaign was founded independently by Eli Pariser, a Maine native and recent graduate of Simon's Rock College of Bard. In the days following September 11th, 2001, he launched an online petition calling for a restrained and multi-lateral response to the attacks, which was quickly signed by more than half a million people. Eli joined forces with MoveOn soon afterward, and is now MoveOn's Campaigns Director.

What is MoveOn all about?
MoveOn is working to bring ordinary people back into politics. With a system that today revolves around big money and big media, most citizens are left out. When it becomes clear that our "representatives" don't represent the public, the foundations of democracy are in peril. MoveOn is a catalyst for a new kind of grassroots involvement, supporting busy but concerned citizens in finding their political voice. Our nationwide network of more than 1,700,000 online activists is one of the most effective and responsive outlets for democratic participation available today.

http://www.moveon.org/news/2313-2.html

i hear your whining and i feel your pain, but the man your trying to replace bush with will only make you whine more when you realize who you just voted for. john kerry, flipper as i like to call him, here's a couple reasons why:

at the end of the Cold War, Kerry advocated scaling back the CIA, but after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, he complained about a lack of intelligence capability.

In the 1980s, he opposed the death penalty for terrorists who killed Americans abroad, but he now supports the death penalty for terrorist acts.

In the 1990s, he joined with Republican colleagues to sponsor proposals to end tenure for public schoolteachers and allow direct grants to religion-based charities, measures that many Democratic groups opposed. In 1997, he voted to require elderly people with higher incomes to pay a larger share of Medicare premiums.

He opposed the 1991 war in iraq, a war in which even france thought was worth getting into.

He voted for the current war in iraq. Now claims he was fooled into voting for it. LOL

He voted against the $87 billion to support our efforts in iraq and afghanastan, most of which goes to the american soldiers. as a veteran of vietnam you'd think he'd know when the polititians should stay out of the fight and let the soldiers do their job. the vietnam vets i know say one of,  if not the biggest problems with vietnam, was that washington wouldn't give the military what it needed to win the war once they were sent in.

He supported NAFTA, now doesn't.

not that it matters to me, but for all the liberal voters that want to know, he opposes gay marriges, but supports civil unions.

special interest donations, they all take them, but some claim not to. kerry has vowed he will not take donations from these "special interest groups" however the records show otherwise in mr. kerry's case. if you plan on voting for kerry i strongly suggest you take the time to read the following links....  

http://washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20040207-101902-1785r.htm

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/2/2/134509.shtml

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/20040130-9999_1n30kerry.html

http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/Politics/WorldNewsTonight/kerry_fundraising_040209-1.html

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=134

last but not least if you want bush out of office why in the hell would you vote for kerry? ever heard of the skull and bones? if not look it up you may be shocked to hear who else is and has been a member of this eliteist group of people throughout history.

before putting all your energy and efforts into gettin bush out of office take a very close look at the man you might replace him with.

Somewhat agree cutter.  Would be good subject for another topic.  This is why i think the "Get Bush out of office no matter what" approach is a dangerous one for the Dems.  Based on his past, Kerry may be the wrong guy to replace Bush.  But based on Bush's past, the dude (Bush) is just wrong period.  This is an opportunity for the Dem. Party to unite under some good international and domestic movements.  instead it's simply focused on getting bush out of office, and things are a little less likely to seriously change for the better.  

But we're getting ahead of ourselves.  Two different subjects.  We can't justify what Bush has done, by simply saying a likely future candidate is no better.  I would still like Bush to be censured.

Here's the link again:
http://www.moveon.org/news/2313-2.html
 

This is why I end up voting for reformist half the time.

Okay, I don't like getting into arguements like this, but I have to put my 2 cents in.

At my school, I hear people bash Bush like this all the time. It gets annoying.  I always ask them why, and they say the war and economy. I reply, the economy is almost back to normal right now. After the 6% unemployment shit last year, it has dropped quite a bit. I believe its down to 5.7%.  Now, the war is understandable, but Saddam did destroy one WMD, and just recently found a shit load of war heads that had some plutonium blast caps, and not to mention they stopped him from finishing a Nuclear Weapons Plant. From there robbers took Uranium.  Now, I know you guys are going to disagree with me on this, but oh well. I am 16 and can't vote.

I watch the news, and I have heard some things that Kerry has said about Bush. He says that Bush is a good president for the situations he has been in. But the only thing Kerry supported Bush on is the war. A Democrate is saying this!

Here is my question to you guys. If you were president from the period Bush came in, to present day, what would you have done? Personally, I know most of you are not Political Science majors, or have anything to do with politics but what the media is saying.

I would give more pro's to Bush, but I would get teabagged for eternity on GameRanger for doing it...

X1|Blitz 8)

PS Bush is unique like everyone else.

John Kerry has been in the Senate for over twenty years. People keep coming up with examples of how he flipped on issues. Is that really that surprising? And also, is it really that bad? Wouldn't you rather have a president that examines each case individually, rather than having a rigid set of decisions that he has already made up his mind on? Someone changing their mind on something 10 years later is NOT a sign of weakness, it is a sign of strength and discernment.

To those complaining that the Democrats "whine" too much: what do you expect them to do? They're the opposition party! It's their job to be a check on the president, not roll over and instantly OK all his policies. What did you think Newt Gingrich and the Republicans were doing from 1992-2000, twiddling their thumbs? They were doing the same stuff--stopping key Clinton legislation, making bullshit "contracts with America" that they went back on 6 years later, etc. Most of the hallmark legislation passed by Clinton was moderate-conservative type stuff like Welfare reform. They even opposed his strikes on Milosevic in Bosnia, even though the operation was practically the EXACT SAME THING as what we did in Iraq last year.  What we need to do is examine Bush's record and future plans and compare them to Kerry's platform--what the other dipshits in the House and Senate do is not an issue in a presidential election.

OK, lets be more basic.  I know you think i'm just being a bitch about Bush and his lies, and that all politicians lie, true this is a known fact.  But if you look closely at the facts and turn of events you will see that this so called "war agents terrorism" is nothing more then a very aggressive gamble for the oil race in Iraq.  And since the oil deposit in Iraq is now know as the last big deposit, we want to get our hands on it.  The fact is, if you control the oil, you pretty much control the world.  Other country's are at your mercy for oil and oil prices.  
The scary part about Bush and his campaign on terrorism is that we were led to believe it so easily through him talking and the media playing it over and over and over.  Bush claimed links between Iraq and El Queda, the media went along.  The truth comes out now that that was all BS, but still! 40% of Americans think Iraq was responsible for the 9/11 attacks.
So now i ask, why are we still there?  We were told this would be a quick "in an out operation" using state of the art weaponry that would minimize civilian casualties.  1000's had died over there, and more everyday.  As if we would be able to just hit the democracy button  in Iraq.  As we plainly see, U.S. occupation of Iraq has not had any kind of control, in fact it's so bad Iraqi's are wishing Saddam was back.  So why don't we get out and let them have their election?  hmm...oil?

The Iraq debacle is a double sided sword. On one hand if we packed up and left, Iraq would certainly erupt in a bloody Civil War between the Sunni minority and the Shi'a majority, and to complicate things even more theres the Kurds who want their say as well. On the other hand if we stay, expect an increase in terrorist attacks and loss of U.S. troops, as the June. 30th hand over of power date grows nearer.

Basically we are in a cluster fuck situation that could increasingly destabilize the Middle East, thus creating more terrorist ideologues. Think about the children of Iraq who witness their family being killed by the U.S. military, and being cast off as Collateral damage and offered a $2500 reimbursement check. Give that child 15 years of anger building within, and you've got another Mohamed Atta.

I would also like to point out that i don't spend my time typing up this shit because i'm all for Kerry.  I'm sure he'll also be pushed to continue our occupation of Iraq or control there of in some way.

My motive would be the media and its appeal to the general public.  Intelligence information we see on TV comes from the white house and is presented by it'd leaders.  

Run a search and you will find many of our great minds such as political science majors, annalists, and even high ranking military members have spoke up about this matter and have also written many books on the subject.  We never see these people on TV, and when real facts come out they are rarely shown.

We love out TV's, from the pop and hip hop culture misconceptions, to the love of celebrity life, to our so called "reality" shows, to white house ideals.  Most people don't even try to look past it and alway forget that the networks sit down in conferences thinking up ways to attract the viewers, and the sad truth of this is facts don't sell.

Getting back to the point, Congress should *censure* the President for his role in misleading them and the American people in regards to the threat of Iraq.

Much to my dismay, there is little ground for an impeachment (tho, of course, he's broken the intent of the law (abuse of power and treason) far more than Clinton did).

A censure is a formal repremand. Much like spanking a disobeadiant child.

And for you conservative lap dogs, you may leap yip-yapping at this fact: MoveOn.org has a jaunty little form letter you can fill out, to help you contact your representative and tell them to spank Bush's naughty bottom. Partake.

http://www.moveon.org/censure/

Then, in November, we will can all dance together on his political grave. We did his Daddy's.

As for you vets out there, aren't you bothered, at least a bit, that Bush ditched service for 6 months? That he was grounded for skipping his physical? That he clearly was given an unfair advange over more qualified applicants? That he was given the privledge to service and then refused to? Whether he was AWOL or not (boy, do I hope so!) these facts alone should strike you to the core.

As for Kerry, no veteran could ever challenge his record as a true American hero. You may not like his politics, but compared to Bush, Kerry is pure fucking gold.

I always enjoy a good below the belt, non-contextual, attack from a Rovian Talking Points Goon.

Flipper? Dude, aren't, like, in the Good Book of Republican Throw Away Lies all Dems flipper-ish?

Cutter, flipper is a dolphin.

Flipper is also G W Bush! Why do you ask?

Perhaps the impressive moves involving Steel Tarrifs give light to his flippery nature? First, really big steel tarrifs. Then, fuck you Pennslavannia. Burn bitch, buuuurn (and all because Bush was told the EU would impose their own tarrifs, in swing states, just in time for the big elections!) Flip!

Or, indeed, his clam before being selected by court that he would run "a humble foreign policy?" Fliiiiiipper! Here boy!

And that tough guy image ... oh so tasty! But when it came to Korea, Bush went for the jugalar - and then went to the table. Pussy licking flipper boy!

Mission Accomplished? Not really! Though it once was. Remember the landing? The spontaniously hung and perfectly placed banner, the one Bush and Rove's cronies had nothing to do with? Mission Accomplished? Well, not really. Apparently we didn't accomplish the mission we just ceased major combat operations. Back flip. Badly landed. Crouch overly padded by gentle, supple, young Republican hands.

The turkey in Iraq on Thanksgiving? At first he was there feeding the troops and then we find out the turkey was fake. Flip, flip.

How about the kicker? WMD. The imminant threat of WMDs. The stocks of viral agents in Saddams butt - we knew where they were. In fact, we knew exactly how many there were and that only 10% were in Saddam's ass. The rest, it seemed, were in Cheny's (the robot demi-god of neo-fascists everywhere) and the Office of Special Opperations (better know as frauds and cherry pickers). Of course, now Bush says there were no WMDs. There were some really evil thoughts, tho. Flipper, mc-flip-flippero!

What's odd it the fucker keeps lying about it even after the baby went down the drain with the bath water.

But I'll give Bush this: All politicians flip.

It's just that most don't flip like he does (he flips around the truth).

Kerry has "flipped" or, perchance, changed his mind after once having it set (wouldn't this be a more fair way of describing it, Mr. Rovian Talking Points Goon?). But I hardly see his voting record as political juice.

As for the Bones. I hate that almost every President we've had has been a member of a secret society. Really, go take a look. What sucks is that powerful people like to hang with other powerful people, and they send their powerful kids to powerful schools to join powerful clubs with really silly orientations. Like when Bush had to take it up the ass from a porcupine for Bones. Luckily, that practice ended before Kerry joined, so all he had to do was watch bad porn and drink shitty beer. Perhaps that's why Bush is so up on the new "Hate Amendment" - the bashing gays thing.

Even Kerry's conservative approach to the issue - civil unions rather than civil marriages - is off putting. But Bush's astounding efforts to wag the dog by leaking he's gonna support putting hate back into the American constitution is - oh how do I put it so the Rovian Talking Points Goon gets it? - Clintonesqe.

Dirty, dirty Bush is becoming more and more like Clinton everyday. Why don't you show your hate along with him and repeal the Civil Rights Act while you're at it, Mr. Rovian Talking Points Goon?

And all the Big-C had to hide was his dick being in some worthless skank. Bush has to hide that he fled from duty in '72 (either due to coke, politics, or irresponsiblity) while currently claiming he's a war president. What's really irksome is that we spent a fucking million bucks training that bastard Bush and he fucking went and skipped the physical and got perma-grounded for it. That's a million bucks on a privledged asshole wasted. I bet there are a few thousand dead guys in 'nam who'd gladly have serviced duty in the NG.

Oh Cutter, how the dirty Rovian Talking Points Goon has fallen!

kid all you've done is taken the bait. that and wasted another 20 minutes of your young life repeating the same thing you do in every post you make. bush this, bush that whaa whaa whaa. thanks for the entertainment though.

Ahh and here we have good old cutter, never offering a debatable point, just criticism.

you got me doc. you're right, not one debatable point yet. criticism you say? nothing but. i should be ashamed of myself.

Oh, for thou art wounded, Dirty Rovian Talking Points Goon!

Harsh be the words of Liberals, with thar Counter-Arguments, Painful Truthes and Comediac reproach! Damn them and their wives! May they have Rightist Neo Fascists for Children! Woe! Woe on the Evil Liberal! Mine attacks on his Champions make me feel strong! And my insults make me feel like a bigger man than I am!

I hate the Liberal for he hath dared to speakth!

Speakth, like a free man.

Now we can all laugh an make up. Kisses, Cutter!

Man this thread got really retarded since I last posted. Way to stink it up guys.

Heh, you know it's a bad thread if tasty's was one of the good posts. :P

see now thats a shame sixhits, you went from making good political points in your posts to flaming me (again). in a gay sort of fairy talking way at that. dirty rovian goon i am huh? either you don't read my posts or your head was stuck in a vat of acne cream while you typed your last two posts. i am not a registered republican, i infact voted for clinton in his last term and for nader in the last election. rovian you were sayin? i'm much more liberal then you could know. i choose not to bash the president every chance i get and whine all day about the man like most of the people here. thus i am in the minority. so feel big six, feel your power. because it won't last past your next face peel and the next election.

I have to disagree Tasty, it was stupid right from the start.  Ssick had a good point about censure and maybe there should be higher standards, but it got lost in the muck.  The rest of this is just the same crap arguments that could have happened when Clinton was going through the impeachment process, just change the names and flip sides.  Just goes to prove the point, the Democrats are just as bad as the Republicans when it comes to this shit.  They both whine, they both pull this kind of crap.

The bottom line is simple.  We have a 4 year term so that we can get rid of a schmuck like this if he screws up.  This would be plenty if the average person wasn't such an asshole.

You see, Bush will get an automatic nod from the Republicans - because that's the way they are.  It doesn't matter that there are better Republicans for the job *cough*Powell*cough*, they are assholes and will follow their own rules in this.

The Democrats will urge you to vote for Kerry, not because he's better, but just to get Bush out.  Which makes them assholes too.  I could go on and on, but we've talked about them enough.

Democrats, Republicans, and many so called indipendants will tell you that if you vote third party, you are just throwing your vote away, which makes them assholes along with anyone that listens to them.

And then there are millions of others out there that wont vote at all, which makes them the biggest assholes of all.

You accuse sixhits of flaming you, yet you come right back at him with another insult.  If its such a shame, why are you now playing the same game he is?

Exactly Bucc.  If you don't vote you shouldn't have a right to complain about how bad something you don't like is.  Kinda reminds me of non-premiums in GameRanger bitching all the time.

You actually expect a Petition on the net to have any political effect at all? How naive.

You guys/this community is the worst bucha pessimists i've ever read...why dont we all just not even pay attention to the world or our country, and just let or who ever makes the decisions to do what they what.  I mean shit, what can we do about it?  Bitch on a gaming forum...no hope there or anywhere on the internet for that matter.  Why dont we just say "fuck you" to the news, hell they dont care, their fuckin us already.

So go back to your meaningful lives and forget about this waste of time thread, or any political thread on here for that matter, there is nothing you can do about it, we're fucked, all fucked.  Might as well hide in your house and block out the bad things in life so you might have some fun before you die.

No, after clicking on the link in your signature, I have to now disregard anything else you post here.

However, you probably have a friend for life with Dest.

MX6 the w00t.  POLEEEEZZEE!

Right ok, so your going to disregard anything i post based on the fact that i wOOt and like to work on cars....right ok, good point, your so right, i'm going to trash my car tonight and never wOOt again.  WTF is that Bucc, your what? 35?  How can you be so narrow minded and quick to judge others based on their covers.

Dr No, who pissed in your cocoa puffs this morning.  Take a fucking joke.

I admit, it was me, I did it. I pissed in his coco puffs.

I have to disagree with the biggest percentage of you here. I am a Republican, I have 100% Support for President George Bush. He is doing an awesome job in Iraq. Sure you all think "yeah great job, that's why we're attacked daily by terrorist attacks there in baghdad" but ill let you know one thing, where the Hell in this world in a War like this would you not have terrorist attacks? HELLO????? WE ARE FIGHTING TERRORISTS HERE. This is their technique of fighting. It is the only way they know, like they could ever fight a real war with us normally? fuck no. Look what we have done so far, We liberated Iraq, made it alotsafer then it was in the past years. Restored most of it's freedom. Got rid of Saddam Hussain (Coward). People thought in that country that he would go down fighting, LOL! the "so called big god of Iraq" hid in a little hole in the floor of a house for so long! You people against the war in Iraq, I want you to just sit back, and really think down deep in your mind one thing. That is, So what if we didnt go in Iraq? So what if we didnt even bother Afghanistan? hmm.. there would most likely have been another Attack on America already, but! we have went into afgan, and iraq. We raised our homeland security level. Have they attacked? nope. and think of another thing, "The People of Iraq and Afghanistan". Most of them were happy to see us come ino their worlds and aid them to a new Freedom. Sure some didnt like us but is everyone going to love each other for all eternity? no, there's always gonna be some faceless assmonger in some country that will hate america for, all it's power, or it's freedom. And the bit that someone said "our soldiers killing innocent families in iraq", Dude I think you personally should be shot for saying something like that. I NOT only have a "BEST FRIEND" in Iraq right now with the 3rd Infantry Division, But I also have a brother that's in the 173rd Airborne Division in Iraq right now, and Yes they are both in bagfhdad, they have seen alot of action, they dont kill babies, they dont kill innocent people. We are not faceless terrorists over there you asshole. Get your shit right. In What war will there not be civilian casualties? NO WAR! DUH!. In every war there will be a few here and there, it can't be helped. Just think, if we had wars like WW1 and 2 ? or Korea? or Nam? there were lots of more deaths in those wars then now. Just think of all what i said. Some of you will bash me but, those of you that do, can go to hell you faceless liberals. But those that support me, I see alot of good future ahead of them.

Hey, when I see your name, Wolverine, it reminds me of the movie RED DAWN.  When the teenagers fought back against the invasion of the U.S.A. and each time they killed some more Communists, they yelled "WOVERINES!" (Wolverine was the High School Mascot).  A really great movie.  I was fortunate enough to have actually seen the movie at the theater before a lot of you on this forum were even born.  If you've never seen it, go rent it now!

Oh, and everything Wolverine just said is true.

WOLVERINES!!!

Faceless? Someone IP check this shit? although I'd like to think that no one would stoop to that level (other than Rapid of course), it just seems a little suspicious.

Oh by the way, you are a dumbfuck. And that goes for ghostsniper's post after this. YEAAAH!!! Killing Communists is sooo cool! How dare they espouse a different ideology! Sorry, but it sounds like a real piece of shit movie.

Um, Tasty, are you a total idiot?  How dare they espouse a different ideology?  Give me a fucking break kid....their whole "ideology" was to take over the world through whatever means necessary.  Talk about an evil empire, man they were it.  I have no problem with people believing whatever they want, but when they want to take over their neighbors and force those governments to be tyrannical dictatorships like the Soviet Union enjoyed, they have to be stopped.

On my wall to my left is a Certificate from Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld....it reads:

Certificate of Recognition

John E. Anderson

In recognition of your service during the period of the Cold War (2 September 1945 - 26 December 1991) in promoting peace and stability for this Nation, the people of this Nation are forever grateful.

(Signed)
Donald Rumsfeld
Secretary of Defense


Guess you weren't one of those people in this Nation that he was referring to.

Peace.

-GhostSniper Out.

Actually, Iraq is a whole hell of a lot less safe than it was when Saddam was in power, and very much less stable. As for the people of Iraq having freedom restored, not yet, they will only truly be free when they no longer fear for their lives every time they leave their homes.

Afghanistan was a feasible military target, even though we created this terrorist hostility through hypocritical and mismanaged foreign policy. Iraq however was never directly linked to 9/11 and the cause of the war, WMDs have been proven to be nonexistent as of yet, causing one to question the premise of the whole thing.

Terrorist are patient people, passing down their ideological values from generation to generation, if you think the U.S. is safe guess again, its only a matter of time before another catastrophic act of terrorism occurs on U.S. interests.

"Most of them were happy to see us come ino their worlds and aid them to a new Freedom." I would have to disagree whole heatedly. No Muslim would ever be happy to have an occupying Christian nation's military within the confine of their borders. They may not fight back, but that doesn't mean they are happy. The religious Cleric Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani gave his Shi'a followers (60% of Iraq) orders not to resist the U.S. but to end every conversation by asking them when they plan to leave.

The situation may appear clear cut when perceived from one side, but when you actually take the time to explore the other side of the matter, things are not so crystal clear.

The most patriotic act one can commit in this country, is to question those in positions of power.

Give it a fucking rest GS, Tasty was just fucking say what he thought, he's unpatriotic for that? YOU are the only one here who's obviously showing dictatorial sympathies. Communism does NOT mean dictatorship, it just happens to be the case of most of the communist countries out there, thanks to the US. I won't get into that though. But yeah sure, you think killing people who think differently is fine, I'm not going to kill you for that, but I'm going to call you a fascist fuck without a brain. Now good evening to you.

I'd like to go on the Record as the only actual Wolverine here (UofM grad) that this clown must be referring to the comic book, which is probably his highest reading level =D.

Two short comments:

1. It now appears that another of GS's kin has found our blessed little corner of the interweb.

2. Damn GS, you're old. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/icon_bluh.gif)

Watch it with that old shit Alaric!

Don't worry Bucc, we thought you were old long before GS came here.

I'm not that old idiots....you get that certificate if you served ANY TIME between those dates.  In my case, I served from 1990 on....

I didn't say he was unpatriotic for that.  Please don't put words in my mouth.  And of course I know Communism doesn't mean dictatorship.  Not in it's true form anyway.  But show me one Communist Government....EVER....that was not a dictatorship.  You see, I can promise you I have forgotten more about Communism than you will EVER know.  Now Cossack probably knows a little more about it than I do :)

And no, I do not think killing people who think differently is fine.  But when their ideology is to dominate, control, and kill anybody without similar interests, then I do have a serious problem with that.

Fascist Fuck?  Is that the best you can do.  If you are going to blatently flame me, you might as well come up with something original.

Peace.

-GhostSniper Out.

Ok, I really tried to make my sarcasm obvious that time. I even put a (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/icon_bluh.gif) in. I give up.

Now although the communists took my family fortune and executed many of my family members in 1917 and onwards I will defend them against GS's claim that they were out to take over the world and destroy anyone who disagreed with them. This whole international revolution that they encouraged did advocate world domination but that changed under our good friend Nikita Kruschev. Now although he was somewhat of a despot he changed Soviet foreign policy after Cuba and advocated "co-existance" and "economic competition" amongst the West. The Maoists in China did not approve of this and favoured destruction of the West. So although I hate the existence of the communists they were not the evil empire populated by brainwashed drones to do the prolitariat's bidding, a stereotype that is thrown around alot.

Now on to Bush and others aspects of the election. You know I find it a damn shame that Clark dropped out, but his campaign did not make a lot of good decisions. I could have done a better job running his campaign.
Since Clark is gone I have some other people to look at. Personally I do not mind voting for Kerry. Sure he flip flopped, but (as said before) what politician doesnt flip flop? Maybe back in 1990 cutting the CIA budget was a good thing. The needs of that time are different from the needs of today. Now there are a ton of folks I wish would run (Carvill should run, that crazy Cajun is awesome). I do agree with Bucc that the whole democratic mentality of anybody but Bush is very dangerous. It further polarizes your system of politics and gives people an either or choice. Well what if I want to vote for someone who is pro-life, pro-guns, anti-war, and has an economic policy of FDR? There is no one like that.

I hate to break it to you, but around here you are one old fart. Hell, I'm damn near old on these boards.

Personly I like Edwards.. but then again i did vote for him b4 here in NC a few years back.

How about this one:

COLIN POWELL for PRESIDENT :)

That would be my choice....but not gonna happen until at least 2008 or later.

Colin Powell has something nobody else currently running for it has.  My respect.  That's kind of sad, thinking about it.

I'd be down with Powell for Pres, but only if he stood up like a soldier and shouted down his current boss. Powell is one of those Repubs I admire. It took guts to stand up at the '96 Repub convention and actively back pro-choice. He's the sort of conservative America needs in powerful places. But his stint as a front man for Bush really, really saps my patience with him. Why does a man who has advocated against much of what Bush represents protect him? It's tough to reconcile his actions with his ideals.

The trouble with Powell for pres, in all seriousness, is that it's likely some rasicst fuck would pop him. If I remember correctly, this is part of the reason he's never tried for public office - his wife wants a living, breathing husband.

Great point, one that I couldn't support enough. People, no matter what side, whould vote. Votes matter. Votes are power. Americans should use that power, that cornerstone of freedom.

What do people think of a National Election Day Holiday paired with tax breaks if you vote in 50% of the elections your're elegable for?

Not tax breaks, but I'm all in favor of voting day being a national holiday.  I'm pretty sure it was an unofficial holiday for a long time (an excuse for a town party too).  

Yeah, I think it should be, and still be in the middle of the week so people don't go out of town and ignore it.

I also think much more care should be taken, and time spent, to investigate and implement a modern system.  Both in using modern equipment and in dumping the electoral college.

Yah, wtf is up with all these hackable e-voting machines that produce no paper record of votes and all run off windows?

It's like they want chaotic, stolen elections ...

Buuuuush! You bad, bad boy! Get away from the computer!